Israel Tied With Iran Among Top Jailers of Journalists in 2023, Report Finds
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from jeffw@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 24 Apr 2024 03:00
https://lemmy.world/post/14631036
from jeffw@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 24 Apr 2024 03:00
https://lemmy.world/post/14631036
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Bloody hypocrites
“Are we the baddies?”
Why are we giving these guys any money.
Because they are on your side of the river… oh wait, they are not. They must be wearing your color of t-shirt, then.
Serious answer?
Not in any particular order:
Israel (and only israel) actually has a special exception where they don’t have to spend all the money on American weapons. and they can bolster it into their own weapons industry. So it’s actually the opposite of what you just said.
edit: the previous article was from 2002, here’s one from not 22 years ago
Just so you know, defacto means in practice. Not in law.
Your second article is interesting:
I've posted the rest of the paragraph:
And the article you linked to goes on to say:
The article you linked to, then links to an article you really should have read before commenting.
That's an article you linked to indirectly. Not me.
Look, this isn't the first time this happened Linkerbaan, but you really need to read the articles you're posting. Because if you don't or give the appearance of disingeniously cutting out the bits you think don't support your argument, you undermine any argument you make.
Put simply, when you go around the fediverse going spouting unnuanced or underresearched rhetoric, in an attempt to virtue signal that you're the fiercest critic of Israel, you are in fact undermining your argument and the cause of those who are critical of Israel's far right government and the occupation.
That's assuming you actually care about the Palestinians, and this isn't simply about parrotting Russian propaganda in the run-up to the US election.
It’s not phased out nor are concrete plans to phase it out mentioned. Ergo that is irrelevant to the argument.
I’m talking about reality not theoretical plans. You are factually wrong and I corrected you just accept it and move on.
Once again, the article you cited, with the bit you cut out included and in bold:
And the article linked to in the article you cited:
The only thing you've proved is your inability or unwillingness to read.
Given previous interactions, I suspect it's the former.
I'm sure you believe that. Good for you.
I think that just means that they are pretending to be American companies that operate in israel.
Let’s see it being phased out before celebrations. We’ve seen plenty of “plans” change the moment they are supposed to be implemented. Does the current massive 26 Billion require American only spending ye?
At the current moment israel is taking military aid dollars and using them in their own economy not the American one.
Note that this aspect is not exclusive to the US or EU. Russia is also quite happy with keeping the Middle East in this state. For China it remains to be seen, if they want a stable Middle East for the Belts and Roads, or if they arrange with the way it is currently.
It’s sad, but I realized a few weeks ago that if you map out the direction of Israel, the hard right vision is essentially Iran.
Setting aside the treatment of the Palestinians, Israel was once known for its cosmopolitan night life and high quality universities. Now, its seen a takeover by the militant, backwards, misogynistic theocrats. And as more and more people get angry about losing their rights, the theocrats get more and more heavy-handed in militarizing their society, both inwardly and outwardly. And as the rest of the world becomes more and more disgusted, the country is becoming more and more isolated.
I still believe in a better way: I want to see a one state solution.
People don’t say this often but I actually appreciate what there is to like about Israel. There’s a lot of cool people and great culture and natural splendor. Same for Palestine too. If we can just apply enough pressure and stop saying “tWo sTaTE soLuTiON! tWO sTAte SoLUtION!!” and just say “Enough. It’s time you recognized that it’s been one country oppressing half its population this whole time, so stop oppressing people and give everyone the same rights.”
I say this because the status quo is already over. I think that it can either become modern South Africa, or Iran. Those are the two most likely paths, and I really want the first one.
You can admire Israel’s natural beauty (which is just deserts really?) and still support a two state solution though
I think a one state solution is ultimately better. Needs a heavy handed 3rd party arbitrator. But it will work out in the end.
For that to happen Zionism needs to be banned and the indoctrination of children to believe that they are carrying intergenerational trauma in order to justify apartheid and genocide needs to end
where’d you get that from? another “truthout” article?
only the south of israel is mainly desert.
I mean, I’ve been there. I’m aware of the geography. Not sure what the source has to do with it?
you wrote “You can admire Israel’s natural beauty (which is just deserts really?)”.
if you’ve been there, you’re supposed to know that while the south of israel is mostly deserts, you won’t find any deserts in the rest of it.
What is your definition of “most” exactly? Because mine is “more than half,” which literally matches what I said. It’s almost 2/3rds desert.
i wrote most of the south, not most of israel…
and you wrote “just deserts”…
the center and north don’t have deserts.
there are meadows and forests. in some places there’s snow in the winter.
so again, not “just deserts really”. which is what you wrote.
You don’t think deserts can be beautiful?
Here, here!
The Zionists and their supporters do not want a two state solution ever. Zionism is a fascist ideology. As such it needs the perpetual doublethink of “we are the greatest and superior to everyone else” like written in the Israel constitution as an Ethnostate for ethnic Jews while also constantly claiming “we are at the brink of extinction and need a brutal government to protect us, from all the other people”.
The language, the demeanor and the actions of the mainstream Israel politics, media and culture are showing this to an extreme.
A one state solution would be the polar opposite, as it would not only rely on acknowledging that ethnic or any other supremacism is always wrong, but also the realization that not everyone is out to get you, if you stop murdering and oppressing people.
how do you explain rabin and the oslo accords then?
and all the israelis who voted for parties that support the 2 state solution?
Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with ties to the Mossad, after Netanyahu and his fascist friends have called for violence against Rabin, and compared him to Hitler. That was 30 years ago.
Since then Likud and the less far right parties that briefly ruled in between have turned Israel into what it is now.
the conspiracy theory is about shabak, not the mossad and it was spread by radical israeli right-wingers as a conpiracy by, what they consider, a leftist shabak that was trying to delegitimize the right and increase the support for the left.
yigal amir supported kahanists like ben gvir and his ilk, not the likud.
after rabin, there was ehud barak who was voted in, who also tried to reach a 2 state solution with arafat in 2000.
Before 1948, Palestinian Leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State for decades: Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928, Arab Higher Committee advocating for Unified State 1937, Arab League advocating for Unified State 1948
After the founding of Israel, the Two-State Solutions were utilized to further annex the Palestinian Occupied Territories and enact military control over Palestinians while denying them human and civil rights. This is apartheid. Despite this, both Fatah and Hamas have accepted a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders, with the two most important factors being the Right of Return of Palestinian refugees and an end to the permanent occupation.
Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ
History of peace process - The Intercept
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Well the Confederate states didn’t want to end slavery, and South Africa’s ruling elites didn’t want to get rid of apartheid.
This is what I want, and I’m going to keep saying that the world should compel them to accept it.
Israel is also killing journalists, as well as aid workers, its own hostage citizens waving white flags, along with thousands of non combative Palestinians, the majority being women and children.
Yeah, they don’t even mention the 100+ journalists they murdered. Not sure if Iran even has one?
other than the 834 executions last year of protesters / dissidents and general killings of protesters, here’s 1 known killing of an iranian journalist.
there’s also the other attempts to kill iranian journalists abroad, but fortunately they’re incompetent.
And their proxies in Hezbollah.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie
Israel is pretty bad when it comes to freedom of the press. Bi please find a more credible source. mediabiasfactcheck.com/truth-out/
I am SO sorry I had a source that published one moderately misleading article about GMOs 8 years ago. /s
People love linking that article to debunk my Truthout stuff. I’m not a huge supporter of them but their articles seem well written in my experience. One slightly inaccurate article years ago shouldn’t discredit anything they do.
Did you even read that link?
It’s not negative
I’ve read it in the past because inevitably someone links to it when I post a Truthout article. It claims they are “mixed” in their factual reporting but the only real evidence is one older article
You realize that we try to put a MBFC link on most news articles?
I’ve seen them on everything, and if you find one without please feel free to throw the link up for that site.
I post on this community and others, typically 20+ posts per day. I can’t remember when I saw one on a source that wasn’t Truthout lol.
Idk how you miss them.
The fediverse news articles are how I found out about them.
Honestly they were annoying at first with how often I saw them
It can’t be can it???
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They don’t have that self awareness. The indoctrination starts at birth.
“In Judaism, the concept of the Jews as chosen people (Hebrew: הָעָם הַנִבְחַר hāʿām hanīvḥar) is the belief that the Jews as a subset, via partial descent from the ancient Israelites, are also chosen people, i.e. selected to be in a covenant with God.”
“According to Deuteronomy, when the Lord delivers the Israelites to the land, the other nations will be cast out, and “thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them”
“But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. For thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth””
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
Sure except most Jews don’t apply that literally.
I heard a saying; Many Jews don’t believe in God, but they believe he gave them Israel.
Mmm, I’m gonna remember this one.
For those who missed how fun the Israel prison experience is; Israeli Channel 13 proudly reported on it
Video of Israel arresting random people in Gaza and claiming they are elite Hamas: files.catbox.moe/uqvfoa.mp4
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Video of Israel making prisoners kneel for multiple hours a day files.catbox.moe/eg9xz7.mp4
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Video of the Israeli prison tour featuring the real victims files.catbox.moe/zm7113.mp4
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The dogs are used to attack prisoners. Even children. dci-palestine.org/palestinian_child_detained_with…
" Israeli forces violated his rights, beat him, and unleashed an Israeli military dog which attacked him."
Freedom of depression.
This is not surprising.
They learned it from us.