Israel abducts sister of Irish president
(www.thecanary.co)
from floofloof@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 19 May 18:33
https://lemmy.ca/post/65115130
from floofloof@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 19 May 18:33
https://lemmy.ca/post/65115130
cross-posted from: news.abolish.capital/post/50711
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That website is always big on emotions with little to no information. I don’t know why people post it so often.
news.sky.com/…/irish-presidents-sister-detained-b…
There’s been times it’s created articles based on pure theory and conjecture. It was claiming a while ago that TPUSA was deploying blackshirts in the UK when in reality it was just a bunch of Holiness Christians in trackies having a demonstration in SoHo with no relation or connection to TPUSA
Yeah, it’s just always set off my Spidey tingles.
Even if well intentioned, it’s shitty journalism
The thing most people don’t bother to learn about TPUSA, is that the organization is focused on indoctrination of Christian-Right ideology in schools. They want schools to have a charter to promote their fucked up beliefs. At one point (I don’t know what was made of it) the Oklahoma school superintendent claimed TPUSA charters were something their students (or maybe the parents) wanted and that he would mandate across the state all high school’s have a charter.
I’m talking about the UK. We already have state religion anyway and schools generally have had mandatory religious education and Christian worship during assemblies. We don’t have the same constitutional idea of separation of “Church and State” that the USA is supposed to have, moreso a separation of State and Government. So supporting something like this would just be a simple conservative position rather than something radical
Unlike the UK’s fake religion that everyone knows is fake and is only kept around because without it the monarchy has no legitimacy (also a fake antiquated thing but whatever), American evangelicals actually believe in the evil shit that their religion promotes and endorses them to do.
Or are you saying that killing witches and executing gay people never stopped being mainstream in the UK?
So you post a link to Sky instead???
They were in international waters, not belonging to Israel. Israel illegally boarded their boats and took them captive.
It’s not really surprising that Starmer has said nothing given his strong links to Israel.
I read it as he hadn’t issued a statement about the British citizens on the flotilla who were also abducted. That seems like a PM thing to do.
I would like to think I understand enough to believe it would be offensive if the UK stepped in to intervene on behalf of Ireland. Someone correct me if that is wrong.
The UK wasn’t asked to intervene on behalf of Ireland, and it is very unlikely that they would be. The article specifically mentions that the Irish government have done fuck all too, other than condemn it. They are mostly forced to do that, as the majority of Ireland’s population would be against this.
The article also mentions that there are British people on the flotilla that were also kidnapped/abducted in International waters, illegally, by Israel, and Starmer hasn’t even condemned it. He has said or done nothing about it.
The only reason Ireland is linked, is because one of the people taken, has a famous (in Ireland) sister, who happens to be President, (which is not the head of government in Ireland). There are many more nationalities on board the flotilla.
Get the Brits out!
The sister of the Irish president (you know, the sovereign country that exists outside the UK!) was only one person on board. They were off the coast of Cyprus, you know, a country that exists in Europe, and has nothing to do with Israel.
The article that you obviously didn’t read, or the one that was linked after that, but decided to add your tuppence worth anyway, Mentions other people on board of the flotilla. I will quote one of the relevant bits for you. I will even bold some of it.
NOBODY in Ireland wants the UK (Especially in this context) to interfere with Irish politics. If you knew anything at all about the history of Ireland and the UK, and the ongoing mess in the North of Ireland, you might have been able to stop yourself sounding so obtuse about this. It also might have helped if you had read the article that people are specifically talking about in this thread.
At least I have an understanding of what actually happened by reading that article. The one in the OP didn’t recount what happened at all beyond summarizing the entire thing as an abduction.
After getting some relevant details, such as the boarding taking place in international waters, the article actually had some value.
Because you’re on Lemmy…
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I always imagine these sites have a couple people going over the text and they all want to prove their worth coloring the wording. There’s no one there to dial it back down so that’s how you end with with this
Hahahahahaha
Yeah I’m not British but, thanks to Future of the Left, I know Sky News to be a “hysterical gung-ho Technicolor crapfest” lol
But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy. /s
It’s funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.
Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.
Is it though?
It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy
It’s a democracy where dollars are considered citizens and allowed to vote.
Where corporations are people and women are baby factories.
Kakistocracy but yeah.
Those are not mutually exclusive. It’s both.
No one said it was mutually exclusive and technically “but yeah” is an agreement so what am I missing?
“but yeah” implies a correction to me.
Technokleptoplutokakistocracy
I mean yeah, not wrong.
I think the term is “contested democracy”
yeah its more like a democracy in process of facist takeover. Its a grey area.
A brown area.
It’s a dysfunctional democracy. So it’s absolutely not a good democracy.
american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL
USA claims to be a democracy.
It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of “electoral democracy” behind the “true” democracies, termed “liberal democracy.”
From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:
Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.
en.wikipedia.org/…/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
Israel and USA are both flawed democracies placed at 30 and 34.
But they are still democracies.
According to the scoring since 2006 the United States index has dropped by a whole 0.57
That seems highly suspect to me.
Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ^™^ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don’t need to increase the beam strength after all.
Unacceptable
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Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.