Carney constructs a mega anti-Trump trade alliance (www.politico.eu)
from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 16 Feb 15:45
https://lemmy.ca/post/60523725

LONDON — Two of the world’s biggest trading blocs are cautiously eyeing closer ties to short-circuit Donald Trump’s tariffs.

The European Union and a 12-nation Indo-Pacific bloc are opening talks to explore proposals to form one of the largest global economic alliances, multiple people with knowledge of the talks told POLITICO.

Canada is spearheading the discussions after Prime Minister Mark Carney called on middle powers to buck trade war coercion last month, days after Trump threatened to raise tariffs on Denmark’s European allies if it didn’t cede Greenland.

Ottawa is “championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans-Pacific Partnership [CPTPP] and the European Union, which would create a new trading bloc of 1.5 billion people,” Carney told world leaders and the global business elite in Davos.

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First_Thunder@lemmy.zip on 16 Feb 15:57 next collapse

CPTPP is such a stupid name. Say what you will about the US, but at least they try to get good acronyms for everything

cygnus@lemmy.ca on 16 Feb 16:12 next collapse

It sounds like someone blowing a raspberry. The terrible name notwithstanding, I hope Carney can pull this off. I found him a bit disappointing in his first quasi-year in office but this would really deliver on his promise of Canada being a leader of the middle powers.

pulsewidth@lemmy.world on 16 Feb 16:16 next collapse

Its just a perfunctory acronym.

Same as the US ones ever were…

AUSFTA. BUSFTA. DRCFTA. CUSFTA. USCFTA. PUSTPA. TTIP. NAFTA. FTAA. USTFTA.

Yeah, they really roll off the tongue.

First_Thunder@lemmy.zip on 16 Feb 16:18 collapse

NAFTA wasn’t bad at all

pulsewidth@lemmy.world on 16 Feb 16:44 collapse

The point of listing the others is that NAFTA being pointed to as a ‘good sounding’ or ‘well-named’ acronym is that it’s completely by accident.

The US almost always titles their trade agreements [country initial]USF(ree)T(rade)A(greement), and their title becomes their acronym.

Near zero thought goes into it.

First_Thunder@lemmy.zip on 16 Feb 20:02 collapse

PATRIOT Act, KOSA, etc

Zorque@lemmy.world on 16 Feb 20:05 collapse

I didn’t realize those were trade agreements.

starik@lemmy.zip on 16 Feb 16:28 next collapse

See Petey pee-pee

albbi@piefed.ca on 16 Feb 18:49 next collapse

Captain PP.

_Nico198X_@europe.pub on 16 Feb 19:07 collapse

This goes hard

merc@sh.itjust.works on 16 Feb 21:23 next collapse

USMCA is better?

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 16 Feb 22:07 collapse

No, and I got the vibe Trump was the only one that liked it.

CUSMA and MACUS are at least pronounceable, though, so it works for the rest of us.

encelado748@feddit.org on 16 Feb 22:05 collapse

I loved it pronounced so many time in this video: youtu.be/brZgN-DDtV8

deHaga@feddit.uk on 16 Feb 19:38 next collapse

The European Union and a 12-nation Indo-Pacific bloc

Politico forgetting the UK is a CPTPP country as well.

I remember a lot of jokes from EU politicians about how silly an idea it was. How the turn tables eh?

susi7802@sopuli.xyz on 16 Feb 20:08 collapse

No need to gloat. You’re still not in the EU. Happy with your blue passport, eh?

deHaga@feddit.uk on 16 Feb 20:43 collapse

Hmm, pretty sure there’s been plenty of gloating from your side bud.

susi7802@sopuli.xyz on 16 Feb 21:54 collapse

I started warning against Brexit around 2013, but I have to admit that witnessing the slomo carcrash since has had a few itoldyouso moments.

deHaga@feddit.uk on 16 Feb 22:12 collapse

You’ve fallen for the propaganda I’m afraid. Goods trade is down, but services is up. Net effect is fuck all.

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HubertManne@piefed.social on 16 Feb 19:48 next collapse

good. I was unaware of the CPTPP.

sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz on 16 Feb 21:30 next collapse

Good on her ☕

merc@sh.itjust.works on 16 Feb 21:30 collapse

I like the idea of working around the US. But, I don’t like that these trade deals are typically designed to help big businesses, not individuals. Like, even back in the good ol’ days when NAFTA was in place, maybe Canadian businesses could import from the US without any tariffs. But, I, as an individual consumer, couldn’t buy something from the US without being hit with a big duty payment. In addition, the deals often have things in them that prevent participating countries from having sane laws if those laws interfere with businesses at all. For example, the only reason that anti-circumvention measures exist in Canada is that it was a condition of trade deals that Canada adopt the worst parts of the DMCA.

Future deals should allow individual people to buy things cheaply overseas, and not just allow businesses to do that. They should also address the freer movement of people between countries. And, they shouldn’t prevent countries from adding laws that protect people or the environment.