just because the words “what about…” are used, doesn’t make an argument a whataboutism.
a whataboutism deflects from an argument or aims to derail an argument.
what the previous user did was ask for further argumentation about a directly related topic; it’s a continuation, not a deflection.
so it’s not fallacious, buta legitimate question:
you’ve banned some propaganda channels (argument is closed at this point), will you now also ban other, similar channels (new, related argument)?
since the previous argument has concluded, because yt has already enforced their views, wether right or wrong, the follow-up question is perfectly legitimate.
Doubt it. Trump reversed course on Putin and China, so the bootlickers in charge lick the other way now.
BetaBlake@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 07:19
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Oh does that Include that one guys channel that was being spread around here, reddit, and Instagram of him showing his sweet apartment and how cool and modern Chinese life was, and started making the social media rounds about a month Into trunps term?
Because that shit was obvious propaganda
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 07:58
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I’ve came across too many .ml posts about praising North Korea, China and Russia. Had to block the whole instance.
Even !memes@lemmy.ml was full of this shit, but the mods didn’t do anything to prevent it (but instead removed comments like “NK is a dictatorship”)
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 08:28
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but China is doing so well! they’re certainty winning! look at all their free public transit, solar panel farms, large buildings, and many jobs!
they have so many jobs they’re literally giving them away for free! they even give these people places to live with food and everything. China even brings their whole family with them so they can all be happy and prosperous together.
it’s so much better to live in China than in the US. you’ll never leave China once you go there!
andallthat@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 10:41
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Awesome, isn’t it?
Turns out that if the government is controlling the narrative by threatening, harassing or jailing whoever dares go against it, people will only read about the good things!
Wouldn’t it be great if the US did the same thing? Could we all become a happy place like China if we tried a bit harder to make our country… I dunno… great again?
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 11:37
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No no no. You are allowed to suck the cock of communist regimes only
Wouldn’t it be great if the US did the same thing?
But… You do. Example - no US invader can be charged with crimes against humanity, as the standing US policy is to then invade Hague. Another example - operation Gladio. Or even fucking TikTok from recent years that bent the knee and started spewing american R/Trump propaganda after last election is USA
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca
on 22 Jul 12:05
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Like retirement age of 55.
Like nationalising billionaires when they get too big.
It also does a shitton of things wrong, but credit when credit is due.
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 14:01
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Absolutely. I am not the person you replied to but I have no problems admitting that China or Russia can be better than the West in some aspects, for example what you said. Likewise I have no problems saying that the West is flawed and that capitalism is killing people while billionaires rent Venice for a wedding party, in fact, I am the first opponent of that.
What I can’t stand is people claiming that North Korea is not a dictatorship, China is democratic and Russia, poor them, was forced into invading other countries.
What I can’t stand is people claiming that North Korea is not a dictatorship, China is democratic and Russia, poor them, was forced into invading other countries
I signed on .ml because that was the second most popular instance at that time; there are so many people in .ml enamoured with USSR, whitewashing it, that I tend to skip local posts because it’s not worth it. They behave like people brainwashed by USA propaganda but with different polarization.
Sometimes I think they might be CIA shills/bots created to discourage people from socialist movements.
Btw - China does have local elections where people pick their local representative. So people can pick a person, but not the ideology - that is mandated from the high. It’s not exactly what I would call democratic, but hey, the more you know
I don’t remember it being bad before lemmygrad got defederated from most instances. Plain ml used to just be the demonstration instance while lemmygrad was the ideological one. But once they got blocked from a lot of the Lemmyverse more and more .ml accounts are being associated with weird tankie stuff.
burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org
on 22 Jul 10:01
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It’s actually antisemitic to assume that every Jew is a Zionist, idk what to say, thank you for your service, you are a beacon of upholding antisemitism? Smh
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 13:10
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Which jews do you mean? Are jewish people a monolith? Do they all agree on the fate of palestinian children?
The poster you are responding to specifically said zionist. You brought all jews into the conversation.
In Israel (outside the numbers may differ) about 80% support the war and genocide.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world
on 23 Jul 10:25
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I know that the war has high support in Israel, but even 80% is still not all Israelis, let alone all jewish people. I think a lot of Israeli people have dual citizenship. Personally, I wouldn’t want to live in a country that is committing a genocide - I would leave. At least some people who choose to live in Israel are ok with illegal settlements, bombing children, etc. They self-selected and that is why they are there - some even left the countries where they were born to become settlers. Jewish people are not all the same.
75M Americans voted for a fascist piece of shit in their last election. Would it be weird if I held a grudge against white Christians in Norway because of that fact?
75M Americans voted for a fascist piece of shit in their last election. Would it be weird if I held a grudge against white Christians in Norway because of that fact?
1st. Only some Christian denominations are fanatically pro Trump.
2nd. They are faithful, of many ethnicities. Jews are an ethnoreligious group, and in fact, while most faiths welcome converts, Judaism makes you jump through loops. Jews don’t like to welcome the non ethnically pure. This if you look at the many branches, especially the Yiddish, with their predominance of fair skin, light eyes, blonde or redhead, is very ironic, as the amount of Yiddish women who have jumped beds through history to turn Levantine populations into almost nordic, is staggering, and thus highly hypocritical.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world
on 23 Jul 13:14
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Wow. You are fully revealed. Scratch a bigot, find a nazi.
garbagebagel@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 20:59
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None of the Zionists I know irl are Jewish actually
Russia intelligence services have been producing conspiracy theory propaganda from even before the Communist era. Adolf Hitler was radicalized in 1909 to hate Jews by “The protocols of the Elders of Zion”. That’s right, he killed 6 million Jews because he bought into Russian bullshit.
My brother in Christ I assume you have a phone in your hand, stop letting random people further educate you online and do your own goddamn research and make a good research not from bullshit website websites
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Only took 'em at least a year and multiple fucked elections. Oh wonder.
Closer to a decade, but yes
What about the other propaganda Chanel's?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Whataboutism is often legit, though, as in this case.
just because the words “what about…” are used, doesn’t make an argument a whataboutism.
a whataboutism deflects from an argument or aims to derail an argument.
what the previous user did was ask for further argumentation about a directly related topic; it’s a continuation, not a deflection.
so it’s not fallacious, buta legitimate question:
you’ve banned some propaganda channels (argument is closed at this point), will you now also ban other, similar channels (new, related argument)?
since the previous argument has concluded, because yt has already enforced their views, wether right or wrong, the follow-up question is perfectly legitimate.
You think they should block Lemmy?
Oh would you look at who finally grew a fucking spine.
Doubt it. Trump reversed course on Putin and China, so the bootlickers in charge lick the other way now.
Oh does that Include that one guys channel that was being spread around here, reddit, and Instagram of him showing his sweet apartment and how cool and modern Chinese life was, and started making the social media rounds about a month Into trunps term?
Because that shit was obvious propaganda
I’ve came across too many .ml posts about praising North Korea, China and Russia. Had to block the whole instance.
Even !memes@lemmy.ml was full of this shit, but the mods didn’t do anything to prevent it (but instead removed comments like “NK is a dictatorship”)
but China is doing so well! they’re certainty winning! look at all their free public transit, solar panel farms, large buildings, and many jobs!
they have so many jobs they’re literally giving them away for free! they even give these people places to live with food and everything. China even brings their whole family with them so they can all be happy and prosperous together.
it’s so much better to live in China than in the US. you’ll never leave China once you go there!
Awesome, isn’t it?
Turns out that if the government is controlling the narrative by threatening, harassing or jailing whoever dares go against it, people will only read about the good things!
Wouldn’t it be great if the US did the same thing? Could we all become a happy place like China if we tried a bit harder to make our country… I dunno… great again?
No no no. You are allowed to suck the cock of communist regimes only
But… You do. Example - no US invader can be charged with crimes against humanity, as the standing US policy is to then invade Hague. Another example - operation Gladio. Or even fucking TikTok from recent years that bent the knee and started spewing american R/Trump propaganda after last election is USA
Come for business or pleasure. Stay because they won’t let you leave.
There are things China does right.
Like retirement age of 55. Like nationalising billionaires when they get too big.
It also does a shitton of things wrong, but credit when credit is due.
Absolutely. I am not the person you replied to but I have no problems admitting that China or Russia can be better than the West in some aspects, for example what you said. Likewise I have no problems saying that the West is flawed and that capitalism is killing people while billionaires rent Venice for a wedding party, in fact, I am the first opponent of that.
What I can’t stand is people claiming that North Korea is not a dictatorship, China is democratic and Russia, poor them, was forced into invading other countries.
I signed on .ml because that was the second most popular instance at that time; there are so many people in .ml enamoured with USSR, whitewashing it, that I tend to skip local posts because it’s not worth it. They behave like people brainwashed by USA propaganda but with different polarization.
Sometimes I think they might be CIA shills/bots created to discourage people from socialist movements.
Btw - China does have local elections where people pick their local representative. So people can pick a person, but not the ideology - that is mandated from the high. It’s not exactly what I would call democratic, but hey, the more you know
I don’t remember it being bad before lemmygrad got defederated from most instances. Plain ml used to just be the demonstration instance while lemmygrad was the ideological one. But once they got blocked from a lot of the Lemmyverse more and more .ml accounts are being associated with weird tankie stuff.
Lemmy dot marxist-leninist created as a communist safe-space for users leaving reddit has propaganda about communist countries and they don’t moderate it away, I’m shocked.
That’s why Lemmy as a whole was originally created in fact.
Now do all the MAGA and Zionist shit
it’s the same thing, no?
I wish, but especially the Zionist shit is so deeply anchored in mainstream politics that they really don’t need any foreign influence.
Jews are running the world, eh?
It’s actually antisemitic to assume that every Jew is a Zionist, idk what to say, thank you for your service, you are a beacon of upholding antisemitism? Smh
Which jews do you mean? Are jewish people a monolith? Do they all agree on the fate of palestinian children?
The poster you are responding to specifically said zionist. You brought all jews into the conversation.
In Israel (outside the numbers may differ) about 80% support the war and genocide.
I know that the war has high support in Israel, but even 80% is still not all Israelis, let alone all jewish people. I think a lot of Israeli people have dual citizenship. Personally, I wouldn’t want to live in a country that is committing a genocide - I would leave. At least some people who choose to live in Israel are ok with illegal settlements, bombing children, etc. They self-selected and that is why they are there - some even left the countries where they were born to become settlers. Jewish people are not all the same.
75M Americans voted for a fascist piece of shit in their last election. Would it be weird if I held a grudge against white Christians in Norway because of that fact?
80% is not SOME, iT’s almost everybody, FFs sake!
1st. Only some Christian denominations are fanatically pro Trump. 2nd. They are faithful, of many ethnicities. Jews are an ethnoreligious group, and in fact, while most faiths welcome converts, Judaism makes you jump through loops. Jews don’t like to welcome the non ethnically pure. This if you look at the many branches, especially the Yiddish, with their predominance of fair skin, light eyes, blonde or redhead, is very ironic, as the amount of Yiddish women who have jumped beds through history to turn Levantine populations into almost nordic, is staggering, and thus highly hypocritical.
Wow. You are fully revealed. Scratch a bigot, find a nazi.
None of the Zionists I know irl are Jewish actually
And there are plenty of jewish anti zionists, especially outside of Israel
Well, just a couple of millions more to go then.
What kind of idiot brings a kilo to a mega fight?
Did they get rid of Shapiro & Peterson et al?
Russia intelligence services have been producing conspiracy theory propaganda from even before the Communist era. Adolf Hitler was radicalized in 1909 to hate Jews by “The protocols of the Elders of Zion”. That’s right, he killed 6 million Jews because he bought into Russian bullshit.
Source? Hitler was a propaganda writer himself…
My brother in Christ I assume you have a phone in your hand, stop letting random people further educate you online and do your own goddamn research and make a good research not from bullshit website websites
What about the “cleaning haul” channels?.. Ooh today we’re gonna clean the windows. Places camera looking from below. yada yada yada…
State sponsored terrorism vs poor women trying to make some extra money… What the fuck is wrong with you.
I’m mostly on board with this, but censorship is a dangerous road to go down. Where does it stop?
All of those state sponsored channels have other distribution methods available. They’re simply not getting access to youtube’s megaphone now
Yes only the US should get access to that
It stops when they’ve removed all videos that are anti-USA
how do you define what anti-USA is?
Videos that speak ill of the US.
But AI slop remains
I guess it was getting in the way of american propaganda.
Israeli.
I wish youtube also wipes out thousands of propaganda channels linked to other countries.