French minister scraps holy site visit after Israeli police arrest gendarmes (www.theguardian.com)
from IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 21:01
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France has summoned the Israeli ambassador over the incident, the latest of several controversies involving the Eleona sanctuary on the Mount of Olives, which along with three other sites make up the French national domain in the Holy Land.

The sites have been the focus of diplomatic incidents in the past. The national domain was attributed to France before Israel’s creation in 1948 and is administered as a private property by the French consulate in Jerusalem.

According to an AFP journalist who witnessed the incident, Israeli police entered the site and surrounded the two French gendarmes before pushing one of them to the ground.

The gendarme identified himself and shouted “Don’t touch me” several times, according to the journalist. Both gendarmes were then led into police cars, before being later released.

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Buffalox@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 21:45 next collapse

For a terrorist state, this is a mild incident. But maybe it will help to show that Israel is not a lawful state. Making it easier to understand that they are not acting lawfully in many other areas.

Ethalis@jlai.lu on 07 Nov 2024 22:21 next collapse

For those who don’t know, french gendarmes are part of the military. Those Israeli policemen just assaulted a French soldier on French soil which, you know, is usually a pretty big diplomatic no-no

masterofn001@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 22:38 next collapse

So, an act of war against NATO.

deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz on 07 Nov 2024 22:46 collapse

I imagine that technicality is going to be that it was (apparently) Israeli police not IDF.

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 01:58 collapse

So what? The only diplomacy they need is the us on their side

Saleh@feddit.org on 08 Nov 2024 09:44 collapse

If France pushes for full economic sanctions on Israel their economy will tank even further. The EU is Israels largest trading partner with 22% of their exports (second after US with 26%) and 31% on imports (US second with 13%).

If the EU uses that to pressure other nations like Turkey and Azerbaidschan it gets grim. Of course the US can throw them a permanent lifeline. At some 50-100 billion $ a year of economic aid on top of the military aid. I wonder how popular an “Israel support tax” of 500$ would be with the average American.

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 10:35 collapse

Or you know, Washington calls Paris and says: “Yeah, what if you didn’t do that and and then I wouldn’t have to fuck you over”

Saleh@feddit.org on 08 Nov 2024 11:14 collapse

That could happen. Last time the US started a trade war with Europe it didnt go so well for them though. And as Trump is looking at another trade war with China, and maybe also going to war with Iran all sounds a bit too ambitious at once.

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 11:40 collapse

There would be no war, Europe is too much realpolitik to ever reject that request

sik0fewl@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 23:10 next collapse

Sorry, we thought this was Palestine!

cygnus@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 23:11 collapse

This is the first I hear about this territory being claimed by France, and there’s no mention of it on the French Wikipedia page for the Mont des Oliviers. Is there any source whatsoever to corroborate that?

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 08 Nov 2024 00:03 collapse

I think this is the compound mentioned: en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Church_of_the_Pater_Noster

cygnus@lemmy.ca on 08 Nov 2024 13:16 collapse

Ah, thanks! This is interesting:

Selon Frédéric Encel, géopolitologue et spécialiste du conflit israélo-palestinien, « un policier ou un soldat en armes d’un autre pays n’a pas le droit d’y rentrer sans l’accord du consulat français »10, cependant selon Gérard Araud, ancien ambassadeur de France en Israël, ce domaine ne constitue pas, à la différence d’un consulat une « emprise diplomatique » aux termes notamment de la Convention de Vienne10.

The quotes say that a police officer or soldier of a foreign country cannot enter without permission of the French consulate, but that the region does not constitute a diplomatic enclave.