US has struck 3 Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says, joining Israeli air campaign
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from GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:34
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from GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:34
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“NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE,” posts the man who just led us into war.
Ikr, it’s like puncing someone in the face and then telling that person now is the moment to stop fighting lol
I read a post that said he couldn’t go to war without a vote from congress, was that wrong?
Edit: I’m not a US citizen so I’m not sure
Legally speaking that’s correct. There was nothing legal about this, though.
The constitution gives Congress the exclusive power to formally declare war.
That said, Congress hasn’t declared war since 1942, yet we’ve obviously taken part in many wars since then.
Sadly there just hasn’t been enough Congressional support to retaliate against a president for jumping to military action without authorization. And it doesn’t help that the average American doesn’t know that the president is not allowed to just deploy troops at will (in most cases, Iran included).
If the president can do it without consequences, then he is allowed. Turns out words on paper mean nothing.
It’s more complicated than it should be, only Congress can declare we are at war, however over the past 200 years they have passed laws allowing the president to do things before that vote out of a sense of being flexible and Congress being slow , and keep allowing more and more things, I think currently the president can do almost anything with the military so long as Congress leaders are told and they then can vote to stop it, instead of voting to approve it.
I guess many will disagree but what’s wrong about bombing nuclear sites in countries trying to develop nukes?
Because the countries bombing them already have nukes. That is peak hypocrisy.
The intelligence agencies contradicted that narrative. The administration hasn’t made a case that it is actually happening, but have just declared it so.
Very much rhymes with declaration that Iraq had WMDs.
As far as evidence goes, it looks like Trump has dragged us into another conflict that we really shouldn’t be in. Which is dissapointing as if there was one small silver lining about Trump was that his rhetoric used to be that we shouldn’t be wasting military resources in middle east conflicts so much.
Well you see if Saddam had nukes the US might not have ravaged his country to the ground.
WW3 has officially begun.
Officially we’ll only be able to call that afterwards, during the cold war ww3 also almost begun. We should still try stop and prevent it, no matter how difficult it to argue it hasn’t begun yet.
Not defending any of this but these WW3 comments are so weird. The US has been in so many wars in the Middle East, why would this specific one turn into a world war? Especially since there will not be boots on the ground (you never know with trump but I think that’s genuinely the last thing he wants to do).
Which official said that?
This fucking dickhead drumphkins. Could someone please…
Iran is going to close the Straight of Hormuz.
There goes the worlds economy.
25% of the worlds oil runs through there.
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And then the Trump will invade Iran to open it citing it must remain open.
Shhhh! That’s supposed to be a secret plan!
No worries, I already read it from their Signal chat
I still don’t see that happening. Trump likes his popularity too much.
Like, he’ll nuke Iran before he ever puts boots on the ground.
He’s dying to use a nuke, just to put his name in history books.
You don’t need to invade to do that.
They may try.
There would be more than just the US and Israel bombing them if that happened, you just don’t fuck with international trade.
Well, yeah. It wouldn’t be WW3 without more dance partners.
Who’s going to back up Iran though? Maybe the houthis, but they barely count.
Russia and China both have defense treaties with Iran.
Russia probably isn’t much of a concern right now.
China…we wouldn’t overextend a conflict to the point where China gets involved, right? …Not again? …For the third time?
Except it won’t even be a proxy war since the US just struck directly
russia does need a stable iran, for its drone deliveries. china provides iran with huwei tech.
I expect China wouldn’t be happy about the Straight of Hormus being closed though.
They won’t be happy watching the dollar crash and the worlds economy being replaced by BRICS and finally being rid of the US as money police?
I may be wrong but I think China needs that straight open, mayb3 even more than the US do.
Pakistan, and they have nukes.
china helped them developed it in the cold war, as a buffer to india.
Much of it is from Iran and destined for China. They won’t stop those exports.
Closeted men of war preaching about peace. Closeted gays fighting against gay rights. Judgemental/greedy/racist religious people putting themselves on a pedestal about how you should “take care of thy neighbor”.
It’s always the ones who preach the most, the same ones doing the exact opposite of what they preach. Always the ones bitching about the bad in the world actively hard at work making the world a shittier place.
Seriously, if Trump says the sky is blue I’ll immediately look up just to check if it hasn’t turned red/green/pink/whatever.
Be always wary of the ones telling you how to live, and watch out for their actions closely. There’s no hate like the ‘love’ of these hypocrites.
I ain’t any of that and I do plenty of bitching about the bad in the world.
Seriously though you’re quite right.
I can’t even with this shit
That'll teach the Democrats for not embracing socialism.
Well at least Genocide Joe didn’t become the president.
Well what is genocide Joe saying about the war? What about Harris? Chuck Schumer? Hakeem Jeffries? They're saying exactly nothing because they're inside AIPAC's pockets? Thought so.
Yes good thing we got Trump!
Oh my God who cares they’re not in positions of power
Why are you telling me that? The other guy brought up Biden first.
Pretty sure Kamala has already said this would happen. Pretty sure Biden is dealing with fucking cancer. Hakeem Jeffries put out a video 2 days ago directly stating that Trump does not have authority to declare war, and a tweet 17 hours ago reaffirming such. Chuck Schumer has called for an immediate vote on the War Powers Act to involve Congress in Trump’s war.
What else should they do?
Okay so admittedly I hadn't heard of that. Jeffries barely gets a passing grade, but still that's weak for the so-called opposition to a fascist takeover. I'd like to see condemnation of the Israeli and US strikes as a whole, not just the possibility of expanded conflict, but I guess we'll see where the War Powers vote leads to.
Kamala did warn you Americans.
Given how Germany, France, the UK etc have all lined up behind Israel, towing the line that Israel has a right to defend itself, and even going as far as saying that Israel is doing our dirty work for us, I have very serious doubts that Harris would not have followed Israel down the warpath.
A Kamala administration would not have left the Iran nuclear agreement though.
Trump killed off the JCPOA in 2018. Biden had four years after 2020 to do something about that and didn’t. So I don’t know what you’re basing your assertion on, it sounds more like wishful thinking to me.
i suspect he was holding out til his 2nd term, but did not account for the fact that he had to drop out likely due to his cancer symptoms last year.
Iran had zero interest immediately re-entering the agreement the previous president just broke. And rightfully so.
Clearly you just want to blame Biden and Democrats for this and pretend things would be just as bad with Harris
Well clearly you have me all figured out, motives and all.
My original argument is specific: the way the European powers have aligned themselves with Israeli craziness does not inspire confidence that the Democrats would have been less hawkish. Underlying assumption: the Democrats tend to be as dovish as the Europeans.
The previous commenter made a counterfactual claim that Harris would not have pulled out of JCPOA and I pointed out that a Harris admin wouldn’t have a JCPOA to pull out of.
You’re now spinning a narrative around these very simple things I’ve said. Did the tankies hurt you and now you see them everywhere?
Remove Trump now!
You know, the first two were enough for the world.
I guess we’ve lived long enough to see ourselves become the villain.
Always have been.
Now, when a terrorist attack occurs, he’s fully justified in declaring martial law.
It’s as good as over, folks. Checkmate.
he doesn’t even need that. he already does whatever he wants legal or not
Well, I’m mildly surprised.
The suddenness kind of reminds me of when he bombed Assad.
Can someone help me out here. How do they know that these sites are being used for nuclear weapons production specifically?
Iran does have a nuclear power plant and they do enrich their own uranium. Not trying to justify these bombings, I’m just curious on how they determined these sites are specifically for weapon manufacturing.
Remember when Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?
Same thing.
So total bullshit with zero evidence, cool. Just felt I was missing something as they kept calling them nuclear sites without specifying what they believed the sites were being used for.
Thanks for confirming
Netanyahu has been insisting that Iran will have a nuclear weapon in months for a while now. Here’s a Jon Stewart clip talking about it: youtube.com/shorts/jlqXOwYfpdQ
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
This lukewarm take in every comment section is so old and boring. Maybe try blaming the fascists for all the, you know, fascism.
Sounds like you don’t like me reminding protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Got another 3.5 years of this. Longer if you count the time it takes to fix things.
The reminder doesn’t actually accomplish anything, though, given the gravity of the fascism we’re facing. If this were a standard election cycle, sure, whatever, blame away. But we’re not in a standard election cycle and we may never be again at this rate. So instead of pointing fingers, it’s a lot more useful for the left to unite against the fascists and try to resist their relentless encroachment.
And I’m reminding people what happens when they don’t unite and vote, and instead do this “n n not good enough!” stuff.
Yay we must unite and vote to bomb gaza so we don’t have fascism at home lmao I hate Arabs too. I’m an American scum
Spicy exhibit A.
It’s fair game to blame citizens of fascist countries for the politics they helped to bring forward. And the “democrats and republicans are the same”-crowd that is very vocal on Lemmy definitely helped to enable this.
Have you ever once thought “maybe I/we didn’t do enough to stop the genocide”? Blaming the D politicians for supporting genocide? The D voters/financiers for not condemning the genocide?
Maybe try that if you ever get another chance to vote, lol. Good luck!
Or you can just continue blaming the people you failed to motivate against a fascist sociopath, twice. I’m sure things will turn out differently next time!
Anything to shift personal responsibility away from the people who made the choice not to vote against this, right?
Vote against what? Bombing the middle east?
Your idiot in chief was doing that already you goddamn idiot. So was Obama.
Obvious troll is obvious, and kind of an asshole.
It’s a form of inaction and doomerism. “I voted the right way. My hands are clean… as we all march towards authoritarianism while nobody bothers to resist.” I don’t care how you voted. Get on the resistance train now or I guess see you in CECOT.
Serious question- what do you recommend as the best way to resist fascism?
The best way to resist fascism is the way that YOU will actually do. So if, for you, it’s calling your congresspeople from the comfort of your home, do that. If it’s going to protests, do that. If you’d rather be the hero escorting migrants from their court hearings, do that. If you’re the type of person who gets a kick out of making a giant ruckus outside the hotels where ICE agents are staying so they can’t sleep and ultimately get evicted, do that. And if your preferred means of resistance is, let’s be honest, a little more naughty, do that.
The best way to do any of the above, IMO, is to get involved with a local resistance or advocacy organization. (Here’s one place you can start.) Strength in numbers and everything.
My point though is that this is an all-hands-on-deck moment. It’s not the time for infighting or purity testing or hand wringing. It’s the time to fight.
Not giving your vote to a genocider would be a good start idiot
The democrats helped enabling this idiot. They bombed gaza
I don’t know maybe you’ll end up with Trump again after this if people don’t change the way they vote.
Maybe we’ll end up with Trump again after this if people don’t change the way they RESIST. Now is the time for active fucking resistance, not hand-wringing about past voting.
Ok, so how are you actively resisting yourself?
Nice try, FBI.
Yeah sure I bet except from complaining here you don’t do shit
Lol okay buddy you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Look dude you are talking about actively resisting, so thats why I asked how are you doing that. And if you think I’m an fbi agent or something just say what someone theoretically can do, how can I actively resist?
Oh, well you should’ve asked that from the start! I’ll copypasta one of my earlier comments on this topic:
The best way to resist fascism is the way that YOU will actually do. So if, for you, it’s calling your congresspeople from the comfort of your home, do that. If it’s going to protests, do that. If you’d rather be the hero escorting migrants from their court hearings, do that. If you’re the type of person who gets a kick out of making a giant ruckus outside the hotels where ICE agents are staying so they can’t sleep and ultimately get evicted, do that. And if your preferred means of resistance is, let’s be honest, a little more naughty, do that.
The best way to do any of the above, IMO, is to get involved with a local resistance or advocacy organization. (Here’s one place you can start.) Strength in numbers and everything.
My point though is that this is an all-hands-on-deck moment. It’s not the time for infighting or purity testing or hand wringing. It’s the time to fight.
we’re all suffering because of people who protest nonvoted right now. So fuck them. They’re just as much to blame as the maga voters. They fucked everything up. Its fucked. Its all fucked. So yeah, were going to be pissed about it.
My point is, regardless of fault, all this backwards-looking, performative infighting on the left accomplishes nothing at this particular moment. We’ve, uh, got bigger fish to fry. So let’s focus our animus (and resistance efforts) on the fucking fascists whose boots are on our necks, shall we?
Fuck yes. It’s more than performative infighting, it’s some self-congratulating back patting nonsense while ALSO accomplishing nothing and making a cohesive resistance much less realistic. It’s so fucking self-serving and pointless. A self ego stroke.
Amen.
You deserve to suffer
They are
Nah let’s not blame those truly responsible, lets just keep pointing fingers at each other exactly as the rich want it.
They’re all patting themselves on the back right now claiming Harris would have done the same thing.
That’s literally an upvoted comment here with the person “guaranteeing” it would be exactly the same
Had the dems not known their bases was a bunch of spineless cowards who would gladly sacrifice foreigners over their own safety, maybe they might have considered the electoral implications of bombing civilians :)
It’s all your fault really. You were ready to throw foreigners under the bus for the covenience of not having fascism at home.
Congrats, you got neither. Fucking loser
Exhibit A.
*Bombs a peaceful country. “Now is the time for peace.” 🫲🍊🫱
without congressional approval
Quit. You are ruled by a dictator.
not Murican
Then they are ruled by a dictator. Congress doesn’t have a say. Courts and judges don’t have a say. That’s dictatorship.
yes, I agree 100%… and they still seem in denial about it0… “wE arE NOt tHeRE yET”
No dictator rules alone. Judges, generals, congressmen, CEO’s, they’re all a part of the equation.
There is always a system and a group of people that enable it, and can also disable it.
Congress decided quite a while ago that presidents are allowed to have a little war, as a treat, and only seek approval for it later. It’s been this way at least since the '90s and likely before.
Nice, another one of those American values that we are all supposed to admire
You can if you want to, I guess. No one called for impeachment because Obama bombed Syrian weddings and schools.
sorry maybe I’m confused… was Obama not president of the same country I’m complaining about???
Take no heed. Americans only think politics extend as far as their two party system and think it’s binary too.
(I know I’m generalising and not all Americans are as I described here)
Wow, things just took a wild turn in the board game! Whether you’re on board with it or not, this is a game changer: it’s going to impact everything from oil and alliances to elections and the streets. Just wait and see the ripple effects unfold over the next 48 hours!
Netanyahu must have some really good kompromat on trump thru Epstein.