Jewish Leaders Call for Boycott After Elon Musk's Nazi Salute, Holocaust Jokes
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from schizoidman@lemm.ee to world@lemmy.world on 06 Feb 2025 03:20
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from schizoidman@lemm.ee to world@lemmy.world on 06 Feb 2025 03:20
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Could you guys also scrap the ADL? They seem to have jumped the shark in defense of his nazi salute.
They just need to sever the ADL’s ties to Israel. It’s hard for me to believe it’s a NY organization when they parrot Netanyahu’s words and sound nothing like the voices of every Jewish New Yorker I’ve met.
They’re just a mouthpiece of the likud party and have been for a while now.
fuck the ADL. all my homies hate the ADL. SPLC does more to speak on the jewish identity than the ADL. the ADL once served a valuable purpose, but at this point it has been fully captured by radical nationalists who don’t think jews can live alongside anyone else. there’s a word for that, and i can nazi myself remembering what it is
“Us guys” do not universally support the ADL.
Just like we do not universally support Israel.
Can you guys stop deciding what every Jew supports? I’m getting really fucking tired of both telling people that you’re wrong and being told I’m the wrong one back because of my genetics.
You may be a leader and you may be Jewish, but I interpreted that comment to specifically mean the people in power who maintain this connection. That is, “you guys” sounds like an appeal to the Jewish leaders referenced in the article, the US leaders that support the ADL, or both.
I might be wrong, I don’t know OP or what they truly believe. If there is context I’m missing that changes the message, I will stand corrected.
I never suggested I was a leader, but even plenty of Jews in leadership positions of Jewish organizations do not support the ADL. We can start with Jewish Voice for Peace.
It would mean more if Israel weren't actively genociding Palestinians.
What does that have to do with this?
Right, it’s not a genocide, they’re simply killing everyone that is living in a specific region. In fact, between the dead there aren’t exclusively Palestinians, but also some aid workers, volunteers from western countries and sometimes even their own kidnapped citizens. So it is not strictly a dictionary definition of genocide, rather a “mass murdering of the population”.
In fact, I don’t see why they’re paying billions to Google to place AI on weapons when the algorithms seems to be like “hospital = target” and “if it moves = target”
Stop talking rubbish. Israel is actively performing a genocide of Palestinians, other people are just a collateral damage.
They know that, I guarantee it. They just wanted to mention the others who’ve been murdered.
He just literally said it wasn’t a genocide?
It’s sarcasm.
Possibly. Difficult to say these days, Israeli apologists are often crossing the line of total ridiculousness trying to justify murdering civilians so I may be overreacting.
there’s a word for that. it’s called “genocide”
They didn’t deny the genocide, but asked why that’s relevant. Jewish people are separate from Israel, even though Israel wants to muddy the waters. It’s like blaming all of Christianity for the holocaust because hitler wanted to put a Christian veneer on it.
We blame every Christian for the
crushed, crusades so I hardly see a difference. I painted with words that would have been understood by Christians and he's in my rl community, forgetting that I'm on a world platform where my meaning may be misunderstood, and I'm sorry for that. We just know each other well here and even though we sometimes disagree, we don't always take it personally. I need to be more considerate.We do? Speak for yourself. I don’t know anyone who blames a single living Christian for anything that happened hundreds of years ago, mostly because I don’t associate with bigots and that’s a bigoted view, like the ones you’re displaying.
The ADL does deny the Palestinian genocide. Terrible hateful scumbag war criminal supporters.
This is an article about Jewish leaders, not about the ADL. The ADL purports to speak in the defense of all Jews and Judaism, but they do not.
fair enough, although the article does mention the ADL.
I’m Jewish. I do not support Israel and I never have. The ADL does not speak for me.
But I’m going to guess you’ll call that typical Jewish lies.
Oh look, someone who thinks that “Jew” and “Israeli” are synonyms.
As always, no matter where I live, no matter how much I say I hate Israel, I will always be a foreigner and a Zionist.
Really? You really think that? I know that plenty of Jewish outside of Israel don't support the current genocide of Palestinians, and I know plenty do.
I think you sure as fuck implied it, when you said:
Why would it mean more unless Jew and Israeli were synonyms?
Are they likewise condemning the genocide?
Ah, I see, so it isn’t “Jew = Israeli,” it’s “Jew = Pro genocide.” Totally different.
Do you also expect every Muslim to denounce ISIS every time they face bigotry themselves? I bet you don’t.
Da'esh. They surely were, when da'esh was in the news.
You’re evading. I didn’t ask if they were. I asked if you expected it. Do you? Or are only Jews expected to denounce genocide every time they face bigotry in your view?
No. I don't expect any decent behavior from anyone, but the United States administration should apologize for creating conditions that caused it, and fix it. And these circumstances are actively different, and I will try to be more sensitive. I don't expect you to self reflect, since several people have called your words/reactions out in various threads, but that's no reason I shouldn't.
What words and reactions are those that “several people” have called out? Go on. Call me a Zionist and prove my point.
I'm not searching for every post. I'll remind you of the post naming lemmy famous people. I think you want everyone to treat you with just gloves because you're fragile and volatile. If not for the other Jewish people I may have come of that way who_aren't_ that fragile and volatile, I wouldn't have given it a second thought. I don't dislike you either, I just know that's who you are.
You’re not searching for every post because you just want to automatically assume someone who tells you is Jewish is a Zionist and just a quick glance at my posts would tell you how wrong that is.
But you’ve made it quite clear you believe Jew = Zionist and Jew = Pro Genocide. And even when they come right out and tell you that’s wrong, like I did, you just assume the Jew telling you that is being a typical deceitful Jew.
@flying squid, part of the problem: “85% of American Jewish adults believe it is important for the U.S. to support Israel”
ajc.org/…/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deep…
To their detriment, people generally do not think about any population with statistical terms. Humans are tribalist and much prefer binary thinking and always have. Linguists say that is not going to change and will get worse. I hear that our embrace of stats in the later 1900s was an aberation in the arc of historical rhetoric.
So the question becomes, when does a random fellow human feel its right to make generalizations?
when its 50% +1 (aka “more right than wrong”) 99%? 99.999% or only at 100%?
Given, its a sliding scale dependent on the harm being done by making the assumption. If this decision kills someone, people generally will not make an assumption unless they are in an incited mob. If it will irritate or unfairly characterize you, nobody cares, and they will feel free to assume.
surety at 100% is obviously the ideal answer, but humans will never approach that because its too much work. We dont care about the uniqueness of individuals who self identify into a group. Most people tend much more toward 50%+1 than 100% in their thinking. As an example, I’m sure there were some (maybe not many) actually good people in the german nazi party. Maybe they werent aware of the murders, or their kid was a soldier, or whatever. Ever heard anyone talk about being careful not to malign them? And no, I am not suggesting we sympathize with nazis. This is part of the problem judges had to wrestle with after ww2: “not evil nazis”
Theres also the problem of crypto nazis as well. People who are secretly in favor of genocide but wont admit it outright. Humans lie, we all know this, so embracing someone on their word is not a successful strategy. We have to watch their actions instead. And we get tired of looking earnestly for outliers. Sorry, its not fair, but as far as I can tell its how humanity works, broadly speaking. Additionally, people do recognize that a lot of manipulation and marketing shenanigans has been going on around the Palestinian genocide. Yes, we are stupid, but we are just smart enough to see how ham-fisted that effort was. Thats not even going into what happened in the last election.
And theres the problem of aggregation. Sure any one member of a group stands a 15% chance of being against the genocide, but when 3 people get together, whats the odds that they are all against genocide? It drops from 15% per person to 3 tenths of one percent for a group of 3 all being members of that minority. This assumes uniform distribution of that viewpoint across a defined population.
You do know that Jews live in countries other than Israel and the U.S., right?
But your multi-paragraph attempt at justifying calling all Jews Zionists by default is noted.
Thats not what I said at all. You’re lashing out and putting words in my mouth. The TLDR is that your complaint is doomed by human nature. So you better get creative.
And hey, my “attempt” is “noted”?
Well your emotional outbursts and manipulative straw manning is “noted”. Seems you arent acting maturely enough to consider these problems in the abstract. Thats a ‘you’ problem bud. Way to miss the point and insert your own “woe is me!” cry as the only consideration here. You are displaying the same binary thinking as I was talking about in my post.
As to your other comment: You do know that Jews live in countries other than Israel and the U.S., right?
Sure. but over 82% of the worlds jewish population live in the US and in Israel. Did you know that?
I’m not jewish, or Palestinian, or religious in any way, but I am flatly against war crimes and genocide, period. And that puts me in the progressive camp where I am shat upon by the population just as much as you feel now, if not more. But you have lumped me in with the people who define all jews as zionists. Do you see how you are jumping to conclusions about me in exactly the manner you are angry about other people doing to you?
“You better get creative” at telling people to stop being such fucking bigots? Do you even pay attention to yourself?
Oh really? How many times has someone yelled a vile bigoted slur at you in the past year because of what you look like? How many times in your life did someone physically assault you because of what you look like? Because it’s more than zero for me. How often are you told you have dual allegiances due to who your parents are, which is why genocide is your fault? Because it’s a hell of a lot more than zero for me.
But sure, you get shat upon so much more.
(Typical whiny Jew, am I right?)
You’re talking to the wrong guy. Many. I grew up in the inner city and was one of the only white kids in my grade school or neighborhood. I’d get chased around by groups of kids and beaten up. Very often --once they found out they could-- I’d have one of my knees dislocated. I spent a lot of time hiding in the bushes. I had bright red hair, am small and was skinny, and looked like howdy doodie-- or so I’m told, so even after we moved from that place, I’ve been singled out for my looks here and there. Until I grew big enough to go all in on fighting back, and shortened my hair to stubble.
A lot of fighting back is intellect. Understanding who was just teasing and could be joked with to defuse, who was just following, and who I had to fight, understanding when and where it was safe to enter a restroom.
I’m an old man now. A few times per year I still relive the fear of being chased and understanding that violence was about to happen when I hear or see other people being chased in movies. I cant look at that stuff. Being surrounded and overpowered is pretty visceral, and is having your leg yanked and twisted to dislocate it–especially when they cant remember which knee it was. I know exactly what reliving PTSD is. The severity comes and goes, but its more severe over time than makes any logical sense, and I sit there sort of stunned while I relive it. Which actually becomes …tedious in its lack of healing. Frankly, at a certain period in my life, I became a bully myself. The fight changes you I think.
Do my creds check out enough?
My point was, conflict requires intellect, and you I dont see that you are applying that intellect.
You could have stopped with “white.”
Also, you think I was talking about when I was a kid?
Yes good point, clearly my story was steeped in “white” privilege, rather than understanding and dissecting conflict and trauma.
You know squid, here the thing. Whenever issues of Israel and the the palestinian genocide pop up, I see lots of hysterical posts like yours. Theres a clear pattern of attempting bury the lead in their own self interest, and push antisemitism to the fore to the exclusion of everything else. Exactly like you’re doing now. So are you commenting in good faith right now? I cant say for sure. But your last comment shows you minimize every other concern in order to yell and potentially bully. I’d care more about your words if you talked about doing the right thing and human rights – you know, the context of whats going on-- rather than this woe is me thing, nobody knows my sorrows shtick that comes across. I have no doubt you’ve experienced attacks based on your ethnicity, but many of us have-- many of us much more severe than yours. As an frequent OP and mod somewhere you could focus on leading forward toward everyones shared interests despite your experience. You’re not doing that. if you have any interest in being a better person, do better.
Yes, well us Jews are known for being “hysterical” when faced with perfectly justifiable bigotry against us.
I should be like “the good ones” and not speak up.
Everything in the world is not about just you being jewish and that some people at some point called you names. As minority pain and lack of safety goes these days, your pain is laughably small and your continual exclusive focus on YOUR pain to the exclusion of all else, seemingly to hold some lofty perch of victimization, is pathetic.
You want to hate injustice? then hate injustice and pull your head out of your rear about your own comparitively small pains. You want to be selfish, then continue mewling like a farm animal which only cares about its itchy butt, like you are now.
Try being Palestinian, or Arab in the western world, or black. or a indigenous person of any kind-- australia, the most of US, lots of places. You arent in danger on a daily basis, much as you’d like to claim you constantly are. Other people actually are in danger, and are starving and suffering greivous harm as we speak. You want people to care about you, then care about them. Get some effing perspective.
True. However, this thing that you just said one comment up sure looks like it’s about me:
Since this isn’t about me, when you said “hysterical posts like yours,” were you talking to a person standing behind me or what?
Also, I was literally talking about being physically assaulted, not just called names. But you know what liars us Jews are.
These are all your words. You always sign off with a racial slur couched as an accusation, and the only one using these slurs around here is you-- because they are not permitted here. I’m going to report this nonsense.
Your pattern of conjuring up the worst slur against you and accusing other people of that is as odious as its use by others would be against you, and I’m tired of allowing it. Racial slurs and bigotry dont belong here, and I question whether you belong as an op or mod on lemmy if this is how you operate day to day.
I know what my words were.
And I think it’s hilarious that you are accusing me of using racial slurs against myself.
Do you get similarly incensed when black people use the N-word?
If they go around accusing everyoine else of using it when the other people didnt, yes. Its be the same thing.
And yet your reporting didn’t seem to work. Why do you think that is? Jewish sympathizers?
Man you just cant help yourself with your constant use of stereotypes to strawman. What if everyone talked like that? This site wouldnt even exist. So what gives you the privilege of acting this way? Is your ethnicity an act-as-bad-as-you-feel-like card?
To answer your question, who knows. It kind of doesnt matter. If they ban you now, great, if they dont now, it’ll happen later.
A better question is: Do I think you stop digging a hole for yourself by acting in this manner? Nope. I doubt that the pattern of your communications is an isolated issue to this conversation. I imagine your impulse control is also impaired. The best thing that will happen to you anytime soon is for you to overstep and be knocked down on your butt to think about what you did and how and why you do it.
So I’ll see you around or I wont I guess. bye.
Yeah, that’s all Jews deserve, am I right?
Y E S
Log the fuck out, go outside, and meet some people. A lot of us grew up raised by holocaust survivors and we have very strong opinions that Israel’s genocide against the people of Palestine is truly and wholly horrible.
Good job interpreting @FlyingSquid@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world’s comment the literal exact opposite way of what it meant.
I find it very on brand for these guys to simultaneously piss off Jewish people and Palestinians within just a couple weeks.
the thing with israel is that it’s an anti-semitic state. zionism is an anti-semitic stance. also palestinians are also semitic. it’s just… all so dumb
And evangelicals want all the Jews in the world forcibly exiled to Israel because they think that’s the only way Jesus will return.
And those motherfuckers better have zip ties and guns if they expect me to put a molecule of my body across the Israeli border.
I know a good boycott to the oligarchs
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Fun fact: “petit ami / petite amie” means “boyfriend / girlfriend”
Even more fun fact: the masculine is gender neutral, so it also means just “friend”.
I saw an uwu guilotine picture the other day and now can’t find it, fits pretty well for the “petit ami” aspect.
Here ya go.
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Thanks you’re doing uwu work.
Nazi salutes. He did it twice.
Hey, at least they called it “Nazi” and not something wishy-washy like “awkward”, “problematic”, or “Elon Musk salute”.
So, a real group of Jewish Leaders rather than a Zionist sockpuppet like the ADL.
Well they should’ve thought about that before the elections. It’s now unwise to antagonize an all powerful dictator.
Even though his scapegoat isn’t the Jewish people, I don’t think it’s impossible they’d still add you to the list later on.
What? But Jewish people love being nazis! Just look at Gaza!
The majority of Israelis (and all the American Zionists) who approve of the genocide do not speak for the Jewish people
Most of the American Zionists aren’t even Jewish.
Many of them expect to laugh at all the Jews thrown into hell for not accepting Jesus after they’re all forced to return to Israel so that Jesus can return.
do not let the loudest people from a group convince you they represent that group. they don’t.
Do not fucking speak on my behalf.
White people just can’t help being nazis, just look at hitler!
Pot, kettle.
Oh look, yet another person who thinks that Jews genetically support genocide in Gaza.
Because it’s really fucking obvious from multiple responses in this thread that saying, “I do not support Israel or its genocide and never have” is not good enough. Not when you have the genocide gene.
But do you condemn hamas?
/s
What are the Holocaust Jokes referenced in the title? Didn’t find an explanation in the article.
For context, I’m a German missing out on many news and stories, for sanity reasons. But I’d like to know more about this.
Elon’s response to the world saying they saw a Nazi salute at the presidential inauguration. Not quite an “oops, I didn’t mean it that way” <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/29890fb8-ed32-404d-85e3-81106bea25b7.jpeg">
Oh, WOW! Glad I asked. Will happily add this to a conversation with a ‘skeptical’ friend.
Honestly, I found some genuinely funny and actually laughed. But I would never share stuff like that in public, if at all, certainly not in a position like Musk, especially not after that salute. Guess he’s testing the waters or normalizing.
Anyways, thanks a lot for the info with screenshot! Once more, reality trumps satire. When asking the question, I thought it might be about some hints here and there requiring interpretation. I did not expect something so blatant.
yeah, I think context really matters here. He also made these jokes on Jan 23, the day that Auschwitz was liberated, and is held as a day of remembrance. He’s got a dog train whistle.
Wasn’t it also Martin Luther King Jr Day?
The fact that 152 thousand people hearted that post is so disheartening.
Wanna take bets on how many of them are bots, and Elon’s personal alt accounts just heart it himself?
He’s a billionaire, he has nothing that he has to do.
The salute is just a symbol of much larger antisemitic moves by Elon. It’s not hard to find neo Nazis posting swastikas and the like on X and many Jewish users have indicated that reporting those images goes nowhere despite them being specifically enumerated as banned in the official terms of use. There’s plenty of evidence out there that Elon is in fact a far right racist if not outright Nazi.
A rich white guy from South Africa might be a nazi? I hardly believe it!
Notice how the state of Israel has nothing to say about this?
Nothing to say? The ADL defended Elon!
Yeah… this and other organizations concluded that he didn’t perform a nazi salute… so what’s the deal? Why are so many sources still saying he did nazi salute?
Right after he did that, he said, “My heart goes out to you.” And later denied again.
Why such a smear campaign?
Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification. Inexcusable even as a mistake for someone in that position no matter how he got there, and inexcusable to dismiss it.
What “lesson”? So, even if unintentional, any salute even similar to the nazi salute should call for condemnation?
The mainstream media are pushing this hard as hell, just raking Elon over the coals.
So many here have lost the plot
You forgot to blame it on his self-diagnosed autism.
Elon should have been removed from any sort of power years ago for his shit behavior. All condemnation coming his way is well deserved.
The hell are you even talking about?
If someone takes a shit in your mouth and tells you it was a birthday cake, will you trust them just because they’re an “organization?” Jesus christ and you people call others “cucks” it drives me batty but you long since abandoned value to intellectual consistency when you started hoisting madmen and wealthy landlords as somehow better than other people.
It’s amazing for a group that says all day long that they’re “free thinkers” there sure are a lot of people with mouths full of shit smiling because they’ve been told it’s birthday cake and they’re such special, good boys.
Also, it’s pretty wild that absolutely zero effort has been made “correcting” all the actual card-carrying nazis who celebrate every major action that Musk makes, from restoring their accounts on social media to boosting their memes and messages for years now. There’s clips out there of people with swastika tattoos sieg-heiling recordings of Musk’s “awkward gesture” and they look exactly the same.
Tell us again how we shouldn’t trust our own eyes. I think there was a book somewhere that talked about this. I’d recommend looking into it.
Don’t believe your lying eyes people
You really have to be fucking brainwashed to believe that shit. HE DID IT TWICE IN A ROW THE EXACT SAME WAY
Not only did he do it twice in a row the same exact way, but he did a Nazi salute in the exact same manner as Adolf Hitler did and modern neo-nazis do. Zero chance that it was a mistake, it was obviously intentional.
No one can tell me that my eyes didn’t see a Nazi salute when they did see it as plain as day.
What’s REALLY fucked up is that people like you are still defending a Nazi salute. You are a Nazi apologist.
Tell me… why would he intentionally do a nazi salute? For what purpose? To secretly identify himself as a nazi? But it wasn’t secretly at all…
He even later denied it was a nazi salute… so… wtf!!!
Why are you people so crazy about this issue?
We really don’t like nazis.
Your gaslighting attempts are pathetic. As I already said, no one can tell me that my eyes didn’t see what they saw, plain as fucking day.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4&t=120s&pp=ygUZZ…
Just FYI. Also, notice the date. It’s 10 months old and they updated the thumbnail because of how obviously correct they were. Elon Musk was born white and rich in apartheid era south Africa. His family migrated there from Canada after ww2 specifically because the race dynamics at the time. He openly touts blatantly eugenic ideology, fathers 12 children and freezes his sperm because of that ideology. Him doing a nazi salute and making nazi jokes in the aftermath is him just waving his dick around because he knows there’s an army of fucking empty headed dumb fucks that will defend him.
Many sources are saying he did a nazi salute because, wait for it… He did a nazi salute.
Obvious bait
Do you have a source for him denying it?
I saw lots of deflection and incredulity at “liberals” who thought it was a Nazi salute, but I didn’t actually see any denial.
He won’t deny it. Not because he’s not willing to lie, but because he’s actively courting the support of Nazis.
Yeah, but other than one of the largest Jewish advocacy groups who else is defending him? What would the ADL know about antisemitism anyway?
Are you saying we shouldn’t believe our lying eyes? It was a Nazi salute and the emperor has no clothes.
Show the the two in video form and let’s compare, troll.
It’s almost like nobody has seen the actual video and if they have, they’re intentionally misrepresenting what she did.
Source of the bullshit appears to be this:
x.com/emilyraustin/status/1882164579020759417
Wait, are you telling me Don Corleone’s mustache was never made of leaves? /s
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lol she’s literally sharing a video of her clearly not doing a salute and saying this is what a nazi salute looks like. can’t expect better from a genocidal zionist cunt.
But if you pause it just right and create a screenshot out of context…
Wow imagine being such a pussy you can’t admit what you like. Gg
You’re posting pictures that YOU YOURSELF don’t even know the context of.
Post the video, pussy. Do it.
Lowest energy shit in my life. Pathetic. Showing her doing it left handed pretending it’s an apples to apples comparison. Stay on Twitter dipshit.
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You have to use your left hand otherwise your choreography isn’t in sync.
why stills? show a video of her doing this, you little bitch:
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Thank you, not all heroes wear capes.
This shit doesn’t work here.
Dumbass.
it’s not a Jewish advocacy group. it’s a zionist advocacy group.
Holy shit. The Zionist part of the organisation has completely eaten the anti-hate part.
This is going on in lots of places as well too.
That’s because Isreal has been slowly co-opted by xenophobic right wing extramists under the guise of survival.
Always has been. Pre WW2 socialist Jewish currents pretty much all unanimously opposed Zionism.
That (nazi salute) isn’t antisemitic at all!
For fuck sake.
My point was that while Independent Jewish leaders are calling for the boycott. The State of Israel on the other hand, is holding hands up with Trump like a tag team.
Pretty sure that was his point too
I’m pretty sure they understood your point… not sure you got theirs.
you want to just spell it out for me so I dont have to guess at what’s being insenuated and cause more pointless back and forth argument comments?
His post was emulating the excuse people use when they are trying to deflect away from something obviously bad. The state of Israel will refuse to say that what Elon did was antisemitic or an actual Nazi salute. They will talk around the subject and say it wasn’t ACTUALLY the Nazi salute, just him being exuberant in the moment. Or they will point out that the salute was around in Roman times and isn’t actually an antisemitic salute even though Hitler used it, just like people will point out that the swastika is an ancient symbol from Hinduism so it also isn’t antisemitic.
He was agreeing with you, basically.
You’re right, it isn’t!
Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. In fact, I’m pretty sure it is in direct OPPOSITION to Judaism, if you follow the fundamentals.
For a religion this old, you will find a lot of people with different ideas about the “fundamentals”. There is a lot of Jewish scholars that reject Zionism and in particular in the beginning of the Zionist movement it was strongly opposed by religious scholars. They had to work quite extensively to create a “new understanding” of how to mix Zionism with Judaism, which over the time led to there now being particularly extreme Zionists, who claim to base it off of Judaism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Early_Jewish_a…
Help me understand your point, pls. I wasn’t talking about zionism nor judaism. Plain nazism. Which killed millions of jews, equalling antisemitism. Especially nowadays when any statement is lightly attributed to antisemitism, a nazi salute could qualify as?
In what let’s call the Jewish diaspora there is a strong thread of fascism. The fascists currently (and for some time now) are in control of the israeli government. If the israeli people were not in support of such fascism they are doing a poor job of expressing it. Globally fascism among jews is not universal, probably not even a majority though I have no hard data here. Anecdotally among the Jewish people I know there is one rabidly fascist of the kill all the Palestinians ilk, a few who claim not to support genocide but will get loud and in your face at any criticism of it and many who are disgusted by it and will openly say so. Your mileage may vary.
I think it’s fair to say that when people are facing an existential threat they find it hard to criticize that which protects them. People should just be anti-genocide because leaders cannot be trusted all the time. But what are the chances that the Muslim citizens in Arab countries would protest if a genocide happens to their perceived enemies? Sometimes the best defense people have against authoritarianism is empathy, don’t let something happen to someone else that you don’t want happening to you.
Edit downvotes explain yourself? I am just being brigaded by extremists on every post.
Personally I downvoted because you seem to think that there could ever possibly be a justified genocide.
If that is not what you meant like that I recommend rephrasing. because It sounds like the only reason to be anti-genocide is because sometimes the people in power might make mistakes.
White nationalists are just the same as white supremacists. If there are Jewish people who think Christian Nationalism will protect them, they’re forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.
Authoritarian leaders turn on their own people and supporters all the time, this has been proven time and again in history. Whatever America is now though, there is still hope in the judiciary and the constitution.
They’re forgetting about “Group 13” as well.
They should have probably boycotted him at the polls, instead of voting for him.
I think they should fund Jewish folks getting guns, ammo, and training. Oh, and moving vans and arranging for shelter in Blue States. Musk wants your lives and to add what smidgen of wealth you have to his hoard.