Delta plane crashes, flips upside down while landing in Toronto from Minneapolis
(www.cbsnews.com)
from Hugin@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 03:58
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from Hugin@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 03:58
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Authorities say at least 18 people are injured after a Delta Air Lines plane flipped upside down while landing amid wintry conditions Monday at Toronto Pearson International Airport.
The Federal Aviation Administration says 80 people were aboard Flight 4819, which originated from Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.
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Once is a fluke, twice is a concern, three is a trend.
Haven’t there been 4?
I just looked it up and yeah, there have been 4 in just a few weeks: fox4news.com/…/deadly-plane-crashes-2025-timeline
This one was in Canada
Delta is an American airline.
Yeah I know, but it originated from Minneapolis and landed in Toronto Pearson Airport, which is very close to the US border (it’s literally across the lake from New York). Different country, but really not that different since the airplane is also from a US airline with a US pilot.
Anyway, it’s just uncanny how many planes have been crashing lately in a relatively short span of time.
I think the bigger point is that commercial aviation (this case) is VERY different, safety-wise, to the other cases mentiined. Commercial has a ridiculously good safety record. The others have always had a relatively high accident rate, more similar to motorcycles.
I didn’t mean to imply otherwise, so I apologize if that was the interpretation. There are tens of thousands of commercial flights every day around the world (a quick search suggests around 100,000+ per day), so a couple of crashes is a fraction of a drop in the ocean.
I think the news highlighting the other non-commercial airline crashes lately is due to the US charter flight/helicopter crash, so it’s got higher attention traction. I also wouldn’t doubt it’s somewhat politically motivated, as the charter plane crash was attributed to underfunded, understaffed Air Traffic Control, while President Edolph Musk and First Lady Trump continue gutting agencies like the FAA.
I wonder if the reporting is like the train crash business. Happens more than we think but the media locks onto certain disasters.
I think even a plane crash where no one was hurt is more headline-worthy than a train crash with no one hurt. Fear sells, and many people have a fear of flying.
What happens a lot more frequently is landing gear failures or engine problems that still have a smooth landing. They do pull out all the stops though and will have emergency response on standby the moment they aren’t sure the landing gear deployed properly.
Acknowledged but unfortunately I don’t think I’m allowed to blame Trump gutting US ATC for this one.
Still appalling and more disgusting every day.
Was it by any chance a Boeing?
The weather was terrible, probably climate change.
Anyway, good work by the response team getting the fire out and people rescued. I guess the cold probably helped with the fire as well, so we’ll cut Mother Nature a little slack.
I would separate the ones involving major airline, and the one involving private jets/smaller planes. Alaska has the reputation to be a place where people fly without a licence (Or lost their licence due to drunk-flying but kept flying) and winter ops there sounds like a bit more extreme than regular air-lines.
But indeed, planes aren't supposed to do barrel roll on the runaway. not sure what happened, I expect to see some interesting "air-crash investigation " video in the coming years (Yes I am too lazy to read the report by myself)
I tried to barrel roll a commercial plane in a flight sim once…I concluded I don’t think they’re supposed to do it in the air either. 😂
Four is politics.
Five is a number.
6 is just great
And 7 8 9.
And 10 is categories?
There are claims that just before the accident, someone said on the radio: “Do a barrel roll!”
God dammit, Peppy!
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“Trah a summersault!!”
(Crashes)
“… You’re becoming more like your father.”
Imagine being such a Russian pawn that you immediately bring the aviation industry down to Russia's level.
If you are referring to Trump as the pawn, I would like to remind you that this airport in not (yet) in the U.S., and that Pearson has its own ATC. Also, Pearson is one of the worst airports in the modern world.
Good thing for my argument that the problem is most manifestly systemic and not dependent on the rating of any airport pulled out of anyone's ass. Last I checked, this time the plane didn't collide with other aircraft, so I'll give the ATCs a pass. Then again, I wasn't the one insecure enough to bring them up.
Funny thing, when a system is stressed enough, the effects generally propagate throughout all of it as resources that would have been available in one area are dwindled in other areas. I'll let you get back to your Canada being a US state lemmy.ml fantasizing.
There is no way all these sudden crashes are a fluke. There were hardly any for last several months and now it’s almost weekly.
Do you know this from data, or just what’s reported in the news?
Not to downplay the severity of what’s been happening recently (DCA, Philadelphia, and now Toronto), but what you are seeing in the news is the same thing that happened to trains after the East Palestine incident in Ohio. For months after the East Palestine incident, every major news outlet was talking about every trend derailment. There are an average of about three derailments a day in the US yet you don’t really see anybody but local news covering it nowadays.
There are incidents in aviation everyday whether there are engine failures that need to return to an airport or a runway excursion. It’s just the nature of news and media, to be sensational and get as many clicks as possible. “Oh a plane’s engine caught fire in Houston while on the takeoff roll! we better cover it because aviation is hot in the news!”
I actually was wondering the same thing. Is everyone trying to paint a narrative or is it accidents that commonly happen, but are not reported?
Accidents happen all the time, mostly in general aviation (privately owned, usually small aircraft, but can include business jets). A lot of incidents are minor. Usually a wing strike or a collision with a ground vehicle. When there are accidents that result in loss of life, you may see the occasional news outlet pick it up. However, a majority of the time it’s just local news outlets.
You will see accidents more often than not in general aviation due to less stringent regulations and a varying degree of pilot experience. Commercial aviation still remains one of the safest forms of travel.
Something to note is that incidents are reported to the authorities (FAA/NTSB when necessary), but you are correct in that they are not reported on by news agencies. Shock and sensationalism sells, and I’m tired of seeing my news feed full of sensational clickbait titles in general.
Yes but that’s not what’s happening, we’re losing entire airframes flying commercial flights at the rate of like one a week, the DC crash was the worst in America since 2001 and Toronto hasn’t had an incident like this since 2005
This isn’t normal, it’s not a case of over reporting
Imagine being this uninformed guy.
Ah yes, the Schrodinger’s crashes, if mainstream media doesn’t report them, they didn’t happen… I’m not stupid, they were happening before and I’m following them for years. Media could and would report them just the same under Biden. I guess Trump is just unlucky and media is biased hurr durr
Seems pretty incredible that it flipped over and lost a wing, presumably with fuel still, but everyone survived. I’m glad it’s only injuries.
The Simpsons did it first
I see Denzel’s got his pilots license back
It’s so cold right now the plane said “fuck this, you guys try keeping me warm now.”
“Doug Ford is glad there were no casualties.” Dude, 17 people went to the hospital, what’re you talking about? Did he mean fatalities?
There are several definitions of casualty, some mention “serious injury or death” while others refer to “death through injury, illness or violence”.
So the his statement is at the very least not obviously misleading.
Had the same thought - casualty is definitely not the right word to use here
Fatalities likely would have been the more correct word to use, yeah.
If we could have a law where only Republicans are allowed to fly, that would be nice. I’ll take whatever else is left running after dufus is done fixing the US.