Gennady Zyuganov [chairman of Communist Party of the Russian Federation] warns of the risk of a revolution in Russia as early as this fall (ua.news)
from antonim@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 17:53
https://lemmy.world/post/45942722

According to him, the country’s economy “hit rock bottom” in the first quarter, which could lead to a crisis.

Zyuganov also suggested that the situation this fall could resemble the events of 1917, when the communists came to power.

Video with English subtitles available here: bsky.app/profile/…/3mk3d7tu6m22v

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homes@piefed.world on 22 Apr 18:07 next collapse

lol

unpossum@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 18:15 next collapse

A communist coup in Moscow would be a bit on the nose, but I’d allow it

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 18:27 next collapse

Ill pencil it in for early October

Saapas@piefed.zip on 22 Apr 19:19 collapse

Julian or Gregorian calendar? I want to get this right this time

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 21:26 collapse

Let’s go with Julian, and if not enough people show up that day we’ll go Full Greg.

West_of_West@piefed.social on 22 Apr 22:26 collapse

It’s not like last time where the Russian empire is caught up in a war of attrition in Eastern Europe… oh wait.

grte@lemmy.ca on 22 Apr 18:27 next collapse

“He emphasized that such a scenario must not be allowed to happen.”

Controlled opposition.

RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 18:47 next collapse

MLs are always controlled opposition (and always have been), just look at how quickly they team up with capitalists to take out any real socialists.

egyto@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 22:28 next collapse

MLs = Marxist-Leninist?

RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 22:51 collapse

Yup

egyto@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 02:01 collapse

Haha I’d never heard that take before. I’m curious about two things. 1) How do you define MLs? 2) What would real socialism entail? I’m guessing with those answers I should have a good idea what you’re talking about.

RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 04:07 collapse

  1. Anyone who self-identifies as an ML, such as the part mentioned: en.wikipedia.org/…/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian…

  2. Workers being in control of the means of production, like actually not in some “the party represents the workers BS”.

  • cooperatives & unions control job sites - real unions not yellow unions
  • workers control the economy via some real mechanism not 1 party elections with per-determined outcomes (Could be state-less - e.g Anarchy, could be state-full e.g some form of democratic socialism, will probably be a mix of both)
  • the people that work farms control them and are not forced to give back the farms to capitalists like the USSR did in Spain.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca on 23 Apr 02:01 collapse

…such as?

RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 03:39 collapse

Spain, Korea, Ukraine, the Soviets.

Any attempt at putting the workers in charge instead of the state is met with violence.

It’s not controlled in the sense that capitalist control them, it’s just controlled in the sense that the state requires private property & structurally state-capitalism is closer to liberal-capitalism, so you get less pushback from the cops, bureaucrats, bosses & other assorted middle managers that still get to live off labor of the workers.

mech@feddit.org on 22 Apr 18:54 collapse

Sounds to me more like a nudge nudge, wink wink sentence to avoid 25 years of prison in Siberia.

tal@lemmy.today on 22 Apr 18:28 next collapse

Maybe, but I don’t think that the conditions are nearly as bad as they were in 1917. They’re obviously worse than they would have been had Russia not entered into the war, but the collapse in 1917 was due to urban food shortages. I don’t mean “luxury X is unavailable”, but that people couldn’t get staple food to survive because of demands of the war.

smithsonianmag.com/…/russias-february-revolution-…

Like the French Revolution in 1789, a bread shortage in the capital precipitated unrest. After long shifts in the factories, female factory workers stood in bread lines alongside other women including domestic servants, housewives and soldiers’ widows. In these bread lines, news and rumors about planned rationing spread. When Saint Petersburg municipal authorities announced on March 4 that rationing would begin ten days later, there was widespread panic; bakeries were sacked, their windows broken and supplies stolen.

As he had throughout the previous months, Nicholas once again underestimated the extent of the unrest and again departed for military headquarters more than 400 miles away in Mogliev, which is now in Belarus, against the advice of his ministers. In the czar’s mind, leadership of the military took precedence during wartime, and he was concerned by the mass desertions occurring in the aftermath of munitions shortages and defeats at the hands of the Germans.

Though in past moments of revolutionary sentiment, the military had stood by its czar, by 1917, the armed force was demoralized and sympathetic to the demonstrators’ cause. The presence of large groups of women among the demonstrators made soldiers particularly reluctant to fire on the crowds. When the soldiers joined the demonstrators, as opposed to firing upon them, the end of the Romanov dynasty was near.

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/ztyk87h/revision/5

There was a severe lack of food in Moscow and, in 1917, Petrograd only received half of the grain required to feed its citizens.

Now, okay. It’s possible that standards for political support are different, that the bar has changed. But the public in Russia of 2026 — though it may be in a worse state than Russia of 2020 due to resources consumed by the war — is also not experiencing the degree of deprivation of Russia of 2017.

egyto@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 22:27 next collapse

This is consistently true of most revolutions. Once a lot of people are staring at the possibility of starvation you hit critical mass on people with nothing to lose.

ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 23:13 next collapse

That is definitely true, but 21st century examples of revolution don’t necessarily need a food shortage to begin (Maidan, Nepal, etc.)

stickyprimer@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 07:21 collapse

I’m no historian but I think self-determination is up there with starvation as a common cause for revolt. But Russians wouldn’t be throwing off the shackles of a foreign empire.

stickyprimer@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 07:19 collapse

It’s true. Looking back on revolutions, starvation is a common cause. What we haven’t seen is a relatively better off population revolt because their conditions got notably worse, from pretty good to pretty bad but not close to starvation.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 18:56 next collapse

Simpsons did it

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rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 20:50 next collapse

Warns of the Risk of a Revolution in Russia

Isn’t it, like, his job to make this happen?

egyto@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 22:25 collapse

I’m pretty sure any real communists in Russia would be brutally repressed.

switcheroo@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 22:44 next collapse

It’d be nice is Russia can take back itself from that dick-tater… Get rid of all of Putin’s ilk, elect a decent person as president., power wash the stench away, peace talks with their neighbors, condemnation of the US Pedo Party. All that good stuff.

Highly doubt it will happen.

Damn, I want that for the US!

athairmor@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 01:24 collapse

Take it back to what, though? The 1990s? I guess that’d be an improvement. What they really need is progress. Is there any kind of progressive movement in Russia?

humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 22 Apr 23:39 next collapse

dumb garbage

voaw@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 00:46 next collapse

We’re gonna see that in the US before we see it in Russia. At least Russians have free education and free healthcare mandated by their constitution.

Saledovil@sh.itjust.works on 23 Apr 04:55 next collapse

Oh, soviet union 2. Now with more soviets.

P1nkman@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 08:09 collapse

Soviet Union 2: Electric Bogaloo.

Railcar8095@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 08:45 collapse

Electric Gulag-loo

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works on 23 Apr 05:07 next collapse

Right after the November elections. Hold out just a little longer guys and you will get your pound of flesh. We hit them all at the same time.

TimeNaan@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 05:54 next collapse

Isn’t that party in Russia super pro-government? Essentially controlled oposition?

Butterphinger@lemmy.zip on 23 Apr 09:25 collapse

New boss is the old boss.

“we won the revolution!

now get back to work!”

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 06:49 collapse

Mmm … no. No, they just don’t do that sort of thing in Russia.