from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2025 09:26
https://lemmy.world/post/36336176
A procurement plan obtained by POLITICO shows Berlin’s rearmament spree will overwhelmingly benefit European industry.
Germany’s new military procurement plan, obtained by POLITICO, shows that Berlin will steer its massive rearmament drive primarily to European industry, with only 8 percent going for American weapons.
That’s a blow for Donald Trump, who has been putting pressure on European countries to continue buying U.S. arms despite the geopolitical turmoil emanating from the White House.
The procurement plan shows Germany preparing to push through nearly €83 billion in contracts over the next year. The list, drawn up for the German parliament’s budget committee, details 154 major defense purchases between September 2025 and December 2026.
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Some decent news
As it should be
80 years later and I’m happy to hear the Germans are rearming… my grandfather must be looking down wondering if the world will ever make sense.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_with_highest…
Germany is already one of the biggest military spenders in the world, they are not “rearming” the government is arming even more and you shouldn’t be happy about it.
From the lastest US executive order that labels antifa as a terrorist organization:
"All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations”
Any cent dumped on war can also be used against you, keep this in mind when you cheer up military spending.
Germany is also a large, wealthy country. If you compare it to its peers the picture is completely different. It spends about 1.9% of GDP on the military.
Personally I am 0% worried about Germany’s military spending being used against me.
I am much more worried that an overall more belligerent tone is being created in the world that will make it more dangerous for everyone, including me, but failure to respond to belligerence doesn’t make us safe either. Don’t forget what’s at stake: by shipping Ukrainian children off to Russia, Putin is carrying out ethnic cleansing. If his testing of boundaries reveals he might be able to take another slice of salami for himself, he is likely to. That slice will mean another attempt to extinguish a culture.
You assume the germany government is a bunch of good guys that will never use weapons against you. Ever heard about afd?
Even if the AfD takes power, there is no chance they’re using Germany’s military against me.
as long as you are not a “terrorist”
Do you think I am German or something? The AfD is never even going to know my name.
All they have to do to know your name is type your ip in a database
So you think the AfD is going to
None of this chain of events is likely. Yes, it’s possible to find people’s real identity from their online identity, but what about the rest of it?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_terror
What makes you think there is any chance that the AfD is going to carry out war-on-terror style extrajudicial killings on me?
You don’t even know anything about me or my circumstances; you clearly don’t think this is actually likely because that would be stupid. I, with knowledge of my own situation, can tell you it is vanishingly improbable.
You started this subthread because people were in favour of Germany increasing military spending to counter the threat from Russia. Russia carrying out extra-judicial, extra-territorial killings, waging wars of conquest, carrying out ethnic cleansing and mass repression is not a possibility - it is happening right now.
When we assess whether the risk of future misuse of military assets is worth it, we need to be clear about what it is those military assets are for - they are precisely to prevent the misuse, as we see it, of the military assets of foreign states against our own citizens. When such aggression is rare, such as between 1991 and 2014, it is better to reduce the size of the military. When aggression is on the rise, it is necessary to increase it again.
That spending really isn’t accurate, as the way I understand it many of the programs get cancelled at 12 monthly funding reviews.
[warning 1 hour video essay, from 3 years ago] - www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDUVtUA7rg
AfD is also tied for the lead in the polls. So temper your happiness. Nazi rising again.
Not only Germany rearming. Worse is that the USA turns Nazi. They just re-enacted the Reichsparteitag 1934 in Glendale…
they still have thier own problems, like the AFD becoming more popular.
Not to mention, their chairmen alice weidel praises past while having a literal nazi grandfather. Iirc she literally said “the time of our grandparents was so great…”
Well, if we have to waste billions on weapons, the least we can expect is that those responsible for purchasing ensure that the money ends up mainly with European industry.
If you’re in Europe, the money is hardly wasted. You have a ravening wolf on your doorstep, and as it gets hungrier it’s going to have to lash out to keep it’s wartime economy going.
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This article is trash trying to sell you something that is not true and actually disproved in the article itself :
So what this paragraph is saying that in 2023 Germany spent 13.9 billions, and about 800 millions in average for the other four years (and that’s consistent with the linked source).
So the “drop” to 6.8 billions is actually five times the spending from 2024. And it’s double the average spending from the last five years. Germany buys more American hardware than ever (except 2023).
Doesn’t mean that money went to America.
I had the same question, that was what prompted me to click on the source link. No it’s sales from the US only. I also realized, that even if it was that would mean that the increase in spending is even more dramatic.
The actual issue I realized today is that those are sales from the US government, not sure if Germany buying from an American company counts. So I’m not sure it can actually be compared. This does not improve my opinion of that article. Misrepresenting irrelevant data is not better than just misrepresenting data.
Of course they will favor European industry. The reason we’re taking on massive debt now to increase our defensive capabilities is that the US is looking increasingly less dependable. Why would German then spend all that money for military equipment over there?
Ok, yes, all for the Germans skipping any dealings with the US here and into the future.
HOWEVER, would feel better if the AFD weren’t polling at a higher number than any other party right now.
Please fucking God can we not have a repeat of the 20th century?
Too late. We’ve got another Gilded Age of billionaires vs. all, fascism on the rise in the West, American tariffs hurting everyone, economic depression in the next few years, and all of that leading to another world war.
The Silent Generation is all but completely dead and apparently our history education has failed us.
America is all but over. This century belongs to China, and they’ve been planning on it for decades.
Ooh, starting to mess with the pockets of the Military Industrial Complex. Bad move Donny… Haliburton and Raytheon have overthrown governments for less than that.
He already has been, the amount of money Lockheed Martin has missed out on due to countries turning away from the F-35 is eye-watering
If AfD comes to power, the weapons will have to be interoperable with Russian systems.
In the first place they must not be compromised with dead man switches from the US.
America has shown itself to be an unreliable ally. No one wants to support that economically if they can, no one wants just the export version of advanced tech, and no one wants Trump to have kills witches or denial of software updates for US weapons.