US Deploys Warships to Venezuelan Coast, Raising Fears of Another 'Regime Change' War (www.commondreams.org)
from return2ozma@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 23:36
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chosensilence@pawb.social on 21 Aug 23:44 next collapse

the US will never stop meddling internationally as long as they can keep the majority of us focused on homegrown stressors directly impacting our daily lives. they have wrapped themselves up in too many interests. Venezuela now, Laos then. who knows where next?

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 22 Aug 00:15 collapse

He’s not merely looking to meddle. He’s looking to make money for the oligarch class. There’s a ton of natural resources and labour for them to exploit there. If you’re organized you may get some of it.

chosensilence@pawb.social on 22 Aug 00:27 collapse

“meddle” is a placeholder for whatever evil you want to take its place.

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Aug 23:54 next collapse

Couple days after saying he can prevent elections by going to war

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Aug 00:18 next collapse

It’s really too bad most US citizens are genuinely too dense to put this together.

Makhno@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:21 collapse

What are you talking about? This is literally being talked about all the time.

Get off your high horse, ya dunce

HaveMeOnYourPodcast@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:31 collapse

It’s being talked about in places like this where a tiny fraction of the people are aware of what’s going on but not between normal everyday people. I can tell you with no uncertainty that only two or three people in my entire workplace of a few hundred people are even remotely plugged in. Hell even the union reps are asleep at the wheel. They’re too busy trying to take care of their kids or pay their rent.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Aug 02:12 next collapse

Thank you, it’s not like a third of the country voted for all this shit and another third apathetically didn’t care what the fuck happened.

Kbobabob@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 13:50 collapse

Curious how you know exactly what hundreds of people do or don’t know. Did you go and ask each one?

HaveMeOnYourPodcast@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 15:10 collapse

Yes. I actively engage the people I work with to figure out who is and isn’t safe to talk to about this sort of thing and to try to get more of them involved in the community.

Vupware@lemmy.zip on 23 Aug 01:26 collapse

Good man/woman. Love to hear it.

someguy3@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:47 next collapse

Too early.

RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Aug 04:42 collapse

Trump is just trying to find the right war…you know not hard … not to fast… like a dumb ass version of Goldie locks.

I hate this timeline -_-

freijon@lemmings.world on 22 Aug 08:37 collapse

A few days after enquiring about his Nobel Peace Price nomination.

jcb20165@kbin.melroy.org on 22 Aug 00:13 next collapse

But ma When are we getting the Epstein Files

SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml on 22 Aug 00:35 next collapse

So there IS a file!

jcb20165@kbin.melroy.org on 22 Aug 01:06 collapse

Not I doubt it.. I’m making fun of everyone that thinks Trump can’t be president unless we have Epstein files.. I understand MAGA upset cause it was a campaign promise.. Libs and Dens are just on the band wagon stoking the flames

theangryseal@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 11:44 collapse

The interview I seen, he was talking about declassifying anything but the Epstein files for fear of hurting innocent people with phony stuff.

You know what. Fuck if, I’m gonna find it.

youtube.com/shorts/ZJorAVgHy7Y

CubitOom@infosec.pub on 22 Aug 02:26 collapse

We got the Epstein files at home.

It looks like a Bill Clinton flew on his private jet 37 times and complained that Epstein stole his child prostitutes while also being best friends with Epstein. Case closed! Thank you for your attention in this matter.

jcb20165@kbin.melroy.org on 22 Aug 03:45 collapse

Hehehe

YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca on 22 Aug 00:42 next collapse

If he declares war, he can cancel the next election. Is that how that works?

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:48 collapse

He can’t declare war OR cancel elections.

Won’t stop him from doing both, though.

YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca on 22 Aug 01:52 collapse

I thought there was something in the constitution that let the president suspend elections if the US is at war? If not, my bad, I must have misunderstood.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 02:12 next collapse

We’ve had lots of elections in time of war. The major conflicts of the 20th century that resulted in a military draft century (WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam) all had Presidential election. Hell, there was an election during the US Civil War.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 04:11 next collapse

No such thing.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 02:15 collapse

You may be thinking of Lincoln suspending the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War?

Constitution, Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Lincoln signed off on a law saying that the President could suspend the right under the same conditions.

YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca on 24 Aug 02:31 collapse

Possibly, I can’t remember. It’s possible my brain is making stuff up.

snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:47 next collapse

I already knew this because Pete Kegseth included me in his Signal chat.

InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 05:14 collapse

Getting added is easy with signal’s new userbame featuresJust change yours to Jack Daniels or Presidente and you’ll get added eventually by Pete Opsec

mehquestion@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:49 next collapse

Just a reminder the Trump tried to organize a coup against Venezuela the last time he was in office (John Bolton, the national security advisor, said so in an interview)

It was a soft coup in the guise of that guy: Juan Guido.

He popped out of nowhere, months (maybe even a year) after Venezuela’s elections, with the US supporting him as the legitimate winner. And because the US does it, so do all the puppet European states.

It was really confusing episode to me at the time. Only when Bolton’s interview came out did it make sense to me.

ChokingHazard@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 04:09 collapse

Maduro was impeached and refused to step down. They didn’t need a coup, just to support the constitutional government.

el_twitto@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 00:51 next collapse

Goddamnit… Fuck Donald Trump

HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 01:06 next collapse

The lesson we learned from the korean war and the vietnam war was that sticking our nose too far into other peoples business is always a great decision. Civilian casualties and traumatized youth give the military industrial conplex a chubby, and the federal government loves its war buddy.

Danquebec@sh.itjust.works on 22 Aug 01:20 next collapse

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takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Aug 01:33 next collapse

Exactly, trump only cares about himself, so either this move will generate him money directly or it is to make media stop talking about Epstein.

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CubitOom@infosec.pub on 22 Aug 01:46 next collapse

I need to buy some more Diplomatico

Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 02:31 next collapse

EPSTEIN

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corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 22 Aug 02:36 next collapse

2026 is getting closer, so he’s got to start a war to delay the Senate midterms.

Paragone@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 15:42 collapse

Apparently he used systematic-de-registration-of-Democrat-voters, to help swing the last election…

No need for war for 2026, with systematic-de-registration already in-play ( he even openly promised he would “wipe the blue-states off the map”, which is exactly what removing blue-votes does ).

War’d then be needed as a “lever” only for 2028.

That’s when he’ll declare war against Canada, -/+ 1y.

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peoplebeproblems@midwest.social on 22 Aug 05:27 next collapse

What is this dude’s hardon for Venezuela?

Is it like some retribution for their oil?

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works on 22 Aug 06:33 next collapse

Oil price needs a boost again?

Vikthor@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 06:55 next collapse

I am afraid such a war unfortunately can’t change Trump’s regime.

AdminsRGenoziders@sh.itjust.works on 22 Aug 08:19 collapse

Only if maduro wins.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 22 Aug 07:30 next collapse

dont you mean trump deploys, EPSTEIN-Distracting warships to venuezeula.

AdminsRGenoziders@sh.itjust.works on 22 Aug 08:20 next collapse

I love that the idiotic yanks are talking about the pedo files as if america needed that to fuck up another country.

Supermikea@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Aug 09:21 next collapse

The people I know that are from Venezuela are pretty happy about this, they see this as a chance to get rid of Maduro.

Natanael@infosec.pub on 22 Aug 11:33 collapse

In exchange for what? The Trump admin won’t support anyone sane

Supermikea@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Aug 22:50 collapse

In exhange of a increased standard of living. Whatever “increased” would be, it would probably be much better than the current situation.

Natanael@infosec.pub on 22 Aug 23:48 next collapse

Not with whoever Trump would support

JamesTBagg@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 02:05 collapse

You should research the fallout from US & CIA interventions. It’s not always an improvement for the local population.

UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 10:04 next collapse

There’s also oil in Guyana that America wants and Venezuela wants from Guyana, so Venezuela is bringing up an old claim to the Essiquibo region of Guyana to have access to the coast for oil. It’s always about oil. America already owned the politicians in Guyana and it’s a little harder to control Venezuela.

AA5B@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 00:45 collapse

One more reason to hurry over to renewables

Quadhammer@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 04:41 collapse

We can actually make oil from plastic now so

Hupf@feddit.org on 22 Aug 10:33 next collapse

Nobel Peace Prize in sight

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 22 Aug 11:57 next collapse

As soon as he gets the Peace Prize he’s demanding, he’s going to start wars all over the world.

Then he’s going to have draft.

glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz on 23 Aug 16:49 collapse

The Venezuelan dictatorship must fall for peace!

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 22 Aug 15:11 next collapse

Them or Cuba are the easy, ideologically popular pickings, right? Instead, he’s been looking north, but that’s typical of his level of competence, I guess.

Paragone@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 15:39 collapse

Why do you think he wants Greenland??

So that he can, with Alaska, Greenland, & the US Navy, extinguish all trade with Canada, so that he can convert us to his carrion, quicker ( he is getting older )…

Once he’s “King of North America”, then between Putin & him, they can DESTROY the hated-by-both woke EU.

Their temporary tiffs & difficulties ( Putin, Trump, Musk, Netanyahu, etc ), are only temporary, & the far-right will become coherent as they realize how fundamentally they hate their common-enemy: civil-rights.

Then the world will turn, & their currently unconscious game will fully-deploy.

Wait & see.


Unconscious-strategy’s significant, in our world…

Hamas’s unconscious-strategy’s going to work, too…

They offered that Israel could genocide the Palestinians…

…but the reaction against that, which will take a few years more to happen,

will be when Israel’s “deterrent” no-longer deters Muslim anybody,

because they’ll be surrounded by countries willing to risk EVERYthing for sake of annihilating Israel.

Israel took the bait, & its psychopathy is carving its mark into the regional-population.

They’re going to be annihilated, … late this-decade, from the looks of it.

( there is an unfulfilled Christian prophecy, Matt 24, about it, btw, if you consider there to be any significance in a Jew, benJoseph himself, prophecying the annihilation of Israel, in a way that no assault on Israel in history matches, but … now is guaranteed to happen, in only a few more years )

& that is how unconscious-strategy can be playing its game, while surfacemind is scrambling helter-skelter, willy-nilly, in all directions, chaotically, mindlessly…


Unconscious-mind’s reasoning is dangerous-as-hell to our world…

All the national-identity which intends to “apocalypse” our world, because G-D’s going to exempt only-them from consequences, & glorify them, yet…

that’s actually enacting, underlying our world’s current unfolding…

The rip-current of socio-political tides…


The key to seeing/understanding unconscious-strategy was given by “John Braddock” in his trilogy on thinking/strategy/risk…

Solve which category-of-GAME each player is playing…

Postive-sum, win-win-alliance, game, is healthiest…

Zero-sum, competitive-narcissism, game, is presumed to be the ONLY game, among moneyarchy & concentration-of-wealth-archy, authority-archy, institution/legalism-archy, class-system-archy, etc.

Negative-sum, competitive-nihilism, game, is mass-shooters, accelerationism, etc: ruling a portion of the world while enforcing the butchering of all others, is how one “wins” in that category-of-game. The greater the “importance”/“authority” & the greater of destruction-of-others, make one’s “score” in this category of game…

Trump’s enforcing that there won’t every be any ruler of the US who tops him, & that means negative-sum game.

He’s not firing individual-bullets-into-others, in his “mass-shooting”, he is firing legislations, destroying the lives of entire populations, in his “mass-shooting” of the US of A’s constitution & principles.

He keeps escalating… has been for decades, … so why bother pretending surprise, as the “journalists” do, with their cultivated-and-pushed- incredulity at every escalation, helping to normalize them all…

So, extrapolate the trend, & see what happens, keeping-in-mind that the vertical-scale ( cost of his mission’s action ) is logarithmic…

He’ll declare war against Canada in 3y or less?

Something like that.

He’ll convert Canada to the Ukraine of the Americas.

What’re we going to do about it?

( fight like hell! : )


There’s 1 thing which “levels the playing-field”, though:

He’ll be waging multiple wars, simultaneously: Southward, into other countries, internally, US Civil War Part2, AND with Canada…

That gives us chance, if we are acting coherently, systematically, ruthlessly-effectively, now…

I hope our leaders understand that…

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GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 00:38 next collapse

that’s a weird shaped lump of shit on their shirt.

WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca on 23 Aug 03:50 next collapse

It’s frankly shocking to learn how many weak, servile cowards there are among the US’s top generals.

HugeNerd@lemmy.ca on 23 Aug 04:06 next collapse

Bringing peace, freedom, and democracy to a bunch of stinky people! U! S! A!

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finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 17:25 collapse

TBH I think he’s just sending ships all over the world so nobody forgets that they’re his, like big toys. I wonder what it costs to run all of these fleets like this?