Israeli forces fire on UN food agency’s team in Gaza (www.aljazeera.com)
from IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 07:23
https://lemmy.world/post/19179622

The World Food Programme (WFP) has announced a pause in the movement of its employees in the Gaza Strip “until further notice” after one of its vehicles was hit by gunfire just metres from an Israeli-controlled checkpoint.

UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric blamed Israel for the attack, telling reporters in New York that the “clearly marked” humanitarian vehicle was “struck 10 times” by Israeli gunfire, including with bullets targeting front windows.

Five of the bullets were on the driver’s side and some on the windscreen.

Dujarric said the convoy’s movements had been coordinated with the Israeli military and it had clearance to approach.

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MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 07:24 next collapse
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Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 29 Aug 2024 08:20 collapse

My god this bot is problematic… Really makes me lose all respect for the .world ecosystem of mods and admins that they’ve heard the feedback and refused to do anything without even considering the possibility of just not having this bot at all. All feedback is replied to with basically “you must implement a bot for us in order for us to take you seriously”

Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 2024 08:46 next collapse

A bot that just spams the media ratings of some random dude is so incredibly a techbro non-solution to the actual problem of people posting questionable sources. Not only does it not stop people from posting questionable sources to begin with, it creates a bunch of off topic chatter about the rating itself. So now instead of just removing poor sources, poor sources get a comment that probably 90% of people voting aren’t going to see. This is somehow progress, despite changing nothing.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 09:20 collapse

not to mention MBFC is itself biased.

everybody is. Every human. everything humans create, all has a bias. Worse… that might not even matter because their process has got to basically be “we do a spot check of articles to make sure they’re factually accurate and then we fit them where we thing they fall on the US political spectrum”

The reality is there’s no way to know how thorough they actually are, and for most publications- even “small” publications- it’s a bit of a joke to think five to ten articles is enough to determine reliability. other similar groups like Allsides and Ad Fontes have hundreds of employees/contractors reviewing outlets and their analysis is still remarkably circumspect.

MBFC has nine employees, including the founder. Nine.

Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 2024 09:16 next collapse

Yes it is very disappointing. I believe the bot is actively harmful and have raised concerns through the proper channels only to be told they are not open to removing the bot at all. No reason given as to why the option should be off the table. Just have to hope that people see the downvotes and hesitate to take the ratings at face value.

Five@slrpnk.net on 29 Aug 2024 09:25 next collapse

The !news team has recently changed course and opted out of the bot. AFAIK it will still operate in !world and !politics, but I want to share the news and thank everyone who has given feedback, downvoted, and protested the bot. This isn’t over, but I feel we’ve reached an inflection point.

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de on 29 Aug 2024 11:54 next collapse

Yeah its hard to argue for it after thinking for 5 seconds. If there was such a thing as an objective fact check, then we would be enjoying world peace. But there isnt, so stop running a bot that pretends to be. Weird centralized authority fascism bullshit.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 29 Aug 2024 17:23 collapse

Oh they just waiting until it’s not just mbfc, so ignored everything about it’s issues. At least a start

wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 09:47 collapse

Rule3: Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.

Translation: Sources that don’t follow the approved narrative may be removed, only our propaganda is true.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 16:40 collapse

They remove some sources that are rated mixed by MBFC, like Mondoweiss, without explanation

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 29 Aug 2024 17:24 collapse

It’s okay though cause government USA government propaganda news are fine because they are ranked high enough…

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 18:38 collapse

NY Times is rated as highly factual by MBFC, surely they would never propagate unsubstantiated Israeli propaganda

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 2024 11:16 next collapse

I lost respect when they decided to defederate from the largest piracy community on the fediverse. I knew right then and there when push comes to shove, .world falls in line under the powers that be. Would have stayed on reddit if that’s what I wanted.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 29 Aug 2024 19:21 collapse

For sure. That one I can at least… Understand or appreciate that it is related to how hard it is to host potentially illegal content in the jurisdiction the instance is hosted in. But the way the MB/FC situation has been handled is… Embarrassing. Like there’s no way to defend it other than “you yourselves are biased and you want to dictate the kind of bias that is acceptable”

It speaks to a lack of media literacy by the moderation administration of the instance

Maeve@kbin.earth on 29 Aug 2024 14:33 collapse

They claim they're not authoritarian by forcing this, after so many have complained.

saltesc@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 08:05 next collapse

the “clearly marked” humanitarian vehicle

They’re white. Except for the massive black markings. I don’t think it can get much more obvious without bringing beacons and a sky writing display in.

UN prepares the extra angry pen for this letter

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 08:13 collapse

The Israeli forces made sure to avoid hitting marked UN panels. WFP forgot to draw text on their windows.

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Wispy2891@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 21:17 next collapse

UN? I clearly read “HAMAS” on the sides of that car

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 2024 21:36 collapse

I have no idea how they could possiblytry to pass this off as even remotely acceptable, but I’m also quite sure they’ll try.

harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 2024 09:04 next collapse

I’m sure the IGF and government aren’t upset about the pause at all

PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 2024 09:59 next collapse

Fuck me it’s early. Read forces as a verb, not a noun.

Pretty fucked that Palestinians have to suffer because NGOs feel (and are) unsafe.

Barbarian@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 2024 10:49 collapse

I did the same. Anything can be a garden path sentence if your tired enough.

Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de on 29 Aug 2024 23:33 collapse

The old man the boat.

FelixCress@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 11:29 next collapse

Fucking war criminals.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 20:05 collapse

As are those who support them.

Let’s never forget the enablers of the Zionist Genocide.

ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Aug 2024 18:27 collapse

You probably pay taxes in a state funding Israel. Go to Palestine and fight for what you believe in. Don’t let your dreams be dreams.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 2024 08:21 collapse

Alternativelly (and achievable rather than an Appeal To Absurd Falacy), campaign against assholes who support ethno-Fascists.

Even Americans in their barelly-so Democracy can do this at a local level against “Friends of Israel” and APAIC-supported Congressmen.

xc2215x@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 11:43 next collapse

Israel continues to amaze me about how awful they can be.

OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 12:07 next collapse

What happens when you systematically deprive millions of people of food again? Either Israel doesn’t know the answer to this question or it’s a blatant GENOCIDAL ACT. There is literally no other option.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 12:14 next collapse

Israel attacking innocents and commiting warcrimes?

Must be a day that ends in Y.

Now they know why the Israeli military coordinated with them to plan the path. So they could set up the ambush.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 12:38 next collapse

Terrorists, war crime-rs, and genociders are what makes up the Israeli military.

It’s just unfortunate that military service is compulsatory for most Israelis.

homura1650@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 16:20 next collapse

It was not compulsory for Ben Gvir, who was excused from compulsory service because the IDF at the tine thought he was too extreme. He has since been convicted of terrorism, and currently serves as Israel’s minister of defense.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 2024 19:33 collapse

war crime-rs

I think the term is “criminals”.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 01:29 collapse

Yeah, but the right word just doesn’t have the same ring as my made up word.

Asafum@feddit.nl on 29 Aug 2024 14:04 next collapse

Guys you just don’t understand… How is Israel supposed to fight Hamas when they’re hiding in cans of vegetables!? It’s not Israels fault that Hamas uses sandwiches to hide their operations in!

NeuronautML@lemmy.ml on 29 Aug 2024 15:53 next collapse

They say Hamas are terrorists because they attack innocent civilians and that may be true, but it seems that by the same metric, aren’t the IDF also terrorists for attacking innocent civilians in clearly marked vehicles ?

Verily i say more, If we go by how much civilian infrastructure and casualties have been committed, one side is clearly acting more strongly within the definition of terrorist than the other.

gmtom@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 19:29 collapse

But the idf aren’t brown???

dlatch@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 20:42 collapse

Nor Muslim

Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 2024 16:58 next collapse

Seems like we need a peacekeeping force stationed in Israel. Headed by one of the EU members preferably, since we cant trust the US to be impartial.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 20:01 collapse

Germany is still shipping weapons to Israel.

Faced with a modern version of Nazism, some EU members can’t be trusted to not support them even when they’re in the middle of executing their very own version of the Holocaust, probably because that view of human beings as inherently superior or inferior depending on their etnicity (aka ubermenshen and untermenschen) is alive, well and as strong as century ago.

The others (including my own country) just have different levels of bullshit when it comes the the Israeli Nazism and Genocide.

The only two EU nations that can be trusted on this are the Republic Of Ireland and Spain.

Madison420@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 23:19 collapse

Germany arguably has good reason for a bad reason with horrific execution if that makes sense.

Given the history with Judaism they’re overcorrecting and I think we can all kind of get that, it doesn’t really make it right or ok but it’s at least better reason than haha profit. Unless like literally everyone else stops first they aren’t going to stop for fear of the potential optics.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 23:32 next collapse

I disagree, Zionism isn’t Judaism. Zionism was created out of antisemitic reasons, European nations ‘solving’ the ‘jewish question,’ instead of enshrining protections for the rights of Jewish people in their nations; and has continued to fuel antisemitism as Israel attributes it’s crimes against humanity in the name of all Jewish people, which clearly isn’t true. Antisemites love that conflation

Madison420@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 00:33 collapse

Germany isn’t making that distinction nor are most countries at this point though that could be argued to be because of influence. I don’t disagree with the sentiment it just doesn’t change what is actually happening and why.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 00:42 collapse

I agree, I think the continued support is more about geopolitical influence and American hegemony in the region. If the US pulled support, I’m sure many European nations would follow. Props to Ireland and Spain for standing out and not supporting this genocide

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 10:57 collapse

Even whilst supposedly making amends they’ve preserved the fundamental racist thinking that underpinned Nazism by going with “we have a debt to a race” rather than “we have a debt to the victims”.

Because of that, they de facto just changed who they deem ubermenschen (“Jews are good”) and untermenschen (“Muslims are backwards and violent”) without ditching the actual XIX cenrury notion so beloved by Nazis that race dictates the character and worth of a person.

You see the same in many other nations, especially in the Anglo-Saxon world, but none the less such racism is especially poignant when the nation that created Nazism is militarily helping a new Holocaust backed by reasons which ultimately trace back to their own vontinued practice of ethnic-discrimination.

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ashar@infosec.pub on 29 Aug 2024 18:55 next collapse

The only news media I saw today to name Israel as the perpetrators of the shooting.

JustZ@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 23:36 collapse

Hmm wonder why that is.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 30 Aug 2024 04:47 collapse

Rest are too afraid to

JustZ@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 14:13 collapse

Afraid to run an unverified story, sure they are.

Also, not under duress by their monarchy either. That’s why Al Jazeera runs it.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 30 Aug 2024 18:04 collapse

Because Israeli isn’t letting journalists in. Or kills the ones that are there

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 19:57 next collapse

Worry not: Biden will quickly pass an executive order for an emergency shipment from the US to Israel of bullets to replace the ones those brave IDF soldiers spent defending themselves from that evil UN Humanitarian vehicle.

Wouldn’t want them to be low on bullets if, God forbid, they’re faced with an even more dangerous assailant such as, for example, a Palestinian 5 year old child.

Crikeste@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 2024 20:44 collapse

And don’t forget! You HAVE to vote for his party! Otherwise MY comfort might be at stake! I don’t want to hear about Palestinian children when gas costs $4.00! 😡🇺🇸🦅🫡💣

Wispy2891@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 21:15 next collapse

The problem is that the other party doesn’t seem to be against it

The choice is, would you rather eat shit, or eat shit marinated in vomit?

Crikeste@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 2024 22:04 collapse

I see it more as, “we have to vote out Hitler! We’re keeping the concentration camps, but Hitler HAS TO GO!”

I also love Kamala’s “🥺we need to save abortion🥺”, when the democrat president she is vice to is doing nothing. If Biden can’t do anything, how can you?

And if Biden can do anything, he’s withholding that action for votes? Women are fucking dying and they’re using their lives as bargaining chips. Disgusting.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 23:16 next collapse

The hypocrisy of the Democratic party is blatant when they run on equality and inclusion yet refuse to hear a Palestinian-american voice at the DNC, something even the speaker who’s family was an Israeli hostage advocated for.

The DNC donors might not want any progressive policies, but the Democratic voters sure do. It’s overdue for Harris to start standing by and following through with popular progressive policies. She had a great start with picking Walz, but ran back to the center with the Convention. Going left on Gaza and making Israel a bipartisan issue with conditional aid is popular and would give her massive support. The DNC needs to stop running away from their base and capitulating to Republican positions

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 03:43 collapse

I like you.

TheFriar@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 2024 22:04 collapse

We all get it. It’s a shit sandwich. But doing nothing isn’t a noble choice either.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 2024 11:58 collapse

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RangerJosie@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 2024 23:24 next collapse

*again.

Israeli forces fire on UN food agency’s team in Gaza again.

octopus_ink@lemmy.ml on 30 Aug 2024 03:16 next collapse

Is anyone even surprised anymore?

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 03:36 collapse

Israeli Nazis don’t suprise me any longer.

Krauerking@lemy.lol on 30 Aug 2024 03:33 collapse

Same thing I was gonna add…
It made me happy for a second to think we all agree and then kinda depressed that we all agree that Israel keeps attacking the volunteers just trying to help victims of their war.

BigMacHole@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 2024 23:43 next collapse

If you find it BAD to SHOOT FOOD AID WORKERS then you HATE JEWS because JEWS MURDER FOOD AID WORKERS!

todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 2024 01:37 next collapse

Why fucking say shit like this? I know you’re being facetious, but it’s probably better not to say petulant shit like this, especially since you seem to be taking a deliberately antisemitic stance in jest…

DyatDyatDyat_9@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 03:08 collapse

YEAH. THERE’S NOTHING WRONG ABOUT IT. NOT EVEN YOU COULD DENY THAT HE’S GOT A POINT. HE’S TRYING TO CALL OUT THE IRONY OF PEOPLE ARGUING IN SUPPORT OF THE ISRAELI GENOCIDE. WE’RE NOT REALLY MUCH WORSE THAN THE PEOPLE ACTIVELY SUPPORTING AN APARTHEID STATE.

Rediphile@lemmy.ca on 30 Aug 2024 03:28 collapse

Can we…stop yelling?

BigPotato@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 03:37 collapse

Is that what the Israeli forces said to the children they gunned down?

Skates@feddit.nl on 30 Aug 2024 03:16 next collapse

Sublime

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 06:53 next collapse

Reported for the whole “JEWS MURDER FOOD AID WORKERS”, and you really should specify Israelis or the IDF. “JEWS…” anything, really, is a bad look.

But I get where you’re coming from:

Not once:

hrw.org/…/gaza-israelis-attacking-known-aid-worke…

Not twice:

www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/middleeast/…/index.htm

Multiple times:

www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/middleeast/…/index.html

Bakersfield@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 13:52 collapse

I heard it’s antisemitic to think it’s bad to shoot food aid workers.

bitjunkie@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 13:13 next collapse

Israel is a rogue state at this point, but everyone in power keeps pretending they’re not because wE nEeD sTaBiLiTy In ThE rEgIoN or some such utter fucking nonsense.

Daxtron2@startrek.website on 30 Aug 2024 18:39 next collapse

Aka “we want Israeli money”

Warl0k3@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 18:45 collapse

Well, that and they’re probably? a nuclear power. It’s fucking ridiculous what they can get away with.

feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 2024 18:57 collapse

Ah, I see. I think maybe capitalising “Forces” would help. I didn’t understand it as a noun for ages.