panthera_@lemmy.today
on 30 Mar 03:40
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This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
Under my proposal, there has to be a peace agreement since Russia will have to leave the land it seized after the 2022 invasion. However, if Ukraine agrees to a ceasefire and gives Russia the land it has already seized, that’s fine.
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Mar 18:40
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So kind of you
theneverfox@pawb.social
on 30 Mar 05:24
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If they wrapped that in the right spin it might just give Putin enough wiggle room to back down without losing his head
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Mar 14:46
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Crimea is Ukraine, let alone the rest of occupied territories. It’s not just some “land” - despite everything there are Ukrainian people living there.
Russia keeping land annexed by brute force will not achieve anything and only add billions upon billions of debt to rebuild and resettle what was eradicated.
I don’t think any one has to have a deal that they themselves cannot accept… why would the Zelensky dude and our fellow Ukrainians have to settle? They seem like a pretty brutal and opinionated bunch…
No one « have to » until they are all eating dirt really.
Ukraine will accept my proposal because it would end a war which is killing its people and which it might not win. The problem is whether Putin will accept the proposal.
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Mar 18:39
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Except he’s not in it for territories.
Also you got to remember all previous attempts to pacify an aggressor, starting from a nice chap by the name of Neville.
Territory with its resources is his primary reason for wanting Ukraine. My proposal doesn’t appease Putin. He will have to cede all territory he seized after the 2022 invasion.
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip
on 30 Mar 07:09
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Question is, why would Putin accept that? NATO already seems to be on the way out, he already holds more territory than in 2022, and with the current oil prices they’re making a bunch of money, and EU doesn’t have the fiscal space to help Ukraine or to justify a direct intervention
The UK and France are not paper tigers. They would not only provide ground but also air and naval forces. The RAF and French air force could gain air superiority.
I am not suggesting a world war, but it might be inevitable. Britain and France experiencing the terrible loss of lives during World War I thought they could bring peace by giving Hitler the Sudetenland. It didn’t work.
MonsterMonster@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 11:22
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What? I gave a solution to ending the war in which Russia would gain much less land than Putin wants.
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 17:10
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Here’s my plan:
Get Trump out of office, get an American president that isn’t AIPAC. Treat Putin in Russia the same as we just did Venezuela and Iran.
Putin gets nothing forever. (As he’s dead). Democracy stops collapsing world wide due to his influence over insecure billionaires. US gets to keep breaking bad. But in a way that actually benefits the world instead of just the Epstein class.
Last week was the deadliest week of the Russian war for Russians so far in 2026, their spring assault is a slaughter for them, Ukraine is doing amazing, Slava Ukraine
Yes, but Putin is willing to sacrifice his troops just as Stalin in World War II because Russia has far greater manpower. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8fWp-i-BGA&t=26s
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This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
Put something in that Putin can use to say Ukraine has been denazified, and it’s a deal that he should logically take.
But Ukraine will also insist on getting their children back. What is extremely reasonable. And I have no idea how logical Putin is nowadays.
You can make a cease-fire in that format, but not a peace agreement.
Under my proposal, there has to be a peace agreement since Russia will have to leave the land it seized after the 2022 invasion. However, if Ukraine agrees to a ceasefire and gives Russia the land it has already seized, that’s fine.
So kind of you
If they wrapped that in the right spin it might just give Putin enough wiggle room to back down without losing his head
Yes, Europe should get China involved. Peace would be good for trade between China and Europe, which includes Ukraine.
So… Give him all he wants without any consequences?
He’d not get the territories.
Crimea is Ukraine, let alone the rest of occupied territories. It’s not just some “land” - despite everything there are Ukrainian people living there.
Russia keeping land annexed by brute force will not achieve anything and only add billions upon billions of debt to rebuild and resettle what was eradicated.
Under my plan Putin doesn’t get all he wants. He will be getting far less territory than he wants.
Yeah but without compensation / reparations ? It’s absolutely a bad deal for the victims.
You have to have a deal that Putin might accept. Putin will certainly reject a deal which requires reparations.
I don’t think any one has to have a deal that they themselves cannot accept… why would the Zelensky dude and our fellow Ukrainians have to settle? They seem like a pretty brutal and opinionated bunch…
No one « have to » until they are all eating dirt really.
Ukraine will accept my proposal because it would end a war which is killing its people and which it might not win. The problem is whether Putin will accept the proposal.
Except he’s not in it for territories.
Also you got to remember all previous attempts to pacify an aggressor, starting from a nice chap by the name of Neville.
Territory with its resources is his primary reason for wanting Ukraine. My proposal doesn’t appease Putin. He will have to cede all territory he seized after the 2022 invasion.
Question is, why would Putin accept that? NATO already seems to be on the way out, he already holds more territory than in 2022, and with the current oil prices they’re making a bunch of money, and EU doesn’t have the fiscal space to help Ukraine or to justify a direct intervention
Putin might not accept it. Then Britain and France have to join the war and force an outcome.
So, appeasement spiced with a paper tiger’s threat? This “proposal” is insulting.
The UK and France are not paper tigers. They would not only provide ground but also air and naval forces. The RAF and French air force could gain air superiority.
Any suggestion of a world war can only come from a lunatic.
I am not suggesting a world war, but it might be inevitable. Britain and France experiencing the terrible loss of lives during World War I thought they could bring peace by giving Hitler the Sudetenland. It didn’t work.
You sound like a Russian sympathiser.
What? I gave a solution to ending the war in which Russia would gain much less land than Putin wants.
Here’s my plan:
Get Trump out of office, get an American president that isn’t AIPAC. Treat Putin in Russia the same as we just did Venezuela and Iran.
Putin gets nothing forever. (As he’s dead). Democracy stops collapsing world wide due to his influence over insecure billionaires. US gets to keep breaking bad. But in a way that actually benefits the world instead of just the Epstein class.
Russia is much more powerful than Venezuela or Iran.
Trump really was the best investment Putin ever made.
Last week was the deadliest week of the Russian war for Russians so far in 2026, their spring assault is a slaughter for them, Ukraine is doing amazing, Slava Ukraine
Yes, but Putin is willing to sacrifice his troops just as Stalin in World War II because Russia has far greater manpower. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8fWp-i-BGA&t=26s
Please enjoy this channel for accurate information on how the war is going.