'Minnetoba'? Some Minnesotans want to join Canada as tensions flare with Trump administration (www.cbc.ca)
from Quilotoa@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 30 Jan 23:32
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Quilotoa@lemmy.ca on 30 Jan 23:45 next collapse

Imagine the national hockey team we’d have.

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 31 Jan 00:00 collapse

This is the Canadian plan to get their national goaltenders back on track

kreskin@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 01:41 collapse

They can have the goaltenders if they also take their ted cruz back and keep him there. I feel like Canada did a drive-by trash dumping when Cruz showed up here.

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 02:21 next collapse

No thank you. Send him out on an ice floe.

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one on 31 Jan 03:42 collapse

Just make sure Texas is a frozen wasteland to keep Cruz out of the USA.

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 00:24 next collapse

Carney should send some kind of delegation down there. You know…nothing official. Just to “talk”.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 02:52 next collapse

I’d be curious to see how many are actually expatriating to Canada right now from the US.

Whenever anyone left of The Homelander gets elected to office, there are waves of conservatives screaming about leaving the USA all over the internet and also getting on local news and shit, and the problem with this narrative from the right is that if they want to go somewhere further right than the US already is, they would have to go to somewhere like Russia… which is exactly what a couple did, ending predictably. The rest are too chickenshit to actually move to a place that doesn’t have the comforts liberal democracy has given them.

But shit, Canada is a fantastic option if you’re trying to escape things like being sent to the frontline of a trench war and think that you shouldn’t be killed in the street for not having your papers, and they’re just a snowy fenceline away for thousands of miles. Is Carney drafting plans for a mass immigration?

If he gets too many US refugees, will he have to make his own ICE to round up American immigrants? Can I at least ask my Canadian brothers up there to make sure it’s named ICE ICE BABY?

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 21:11 next collapse

waves of conservatives screaming about leaving the USA all over the internet and also getting on local news and shit

The unfortunate thing with voters is that those most able to emigrate don’t vote Conservative; so all they can do is wonk at the press. When the lefties - typically better educated, as per the stats - want to emigrate, they actually have a chance.

I’d like to see stats too, obviously.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 22:55 collapse

Even more against conservative expatriates is the fact that they’re conservative to begin with is because they’re scared of change and new cultures and experiences, and expatriating anywhere would terrify them, they would never be able to navigate the requirements, background checks and interviews and even tests that often come with immigrating legally to another country.

But many progressives have traveled the world, are educated and unafraid of integrating into new cultures and having new experiences. I’ve been all over Asia and even know people who would take me in and give me a room and a job if I showed up on their door they’re so warm and friendly to someone willing to do things like be quiet and listen and try new foods and learn and take off their shoes entering a stranger’s house.

The only way conservatives seem comfortable in foreign lands is when they’re already wealthy so they can join some gated community of equally horrible people like the weird stories of gentrified neighborhoods in Mexico that are increasing. And the fact that so many of the people who enabled ICE in our country are retiring in Mexico speaks volumes that few people will ever read into.

bufalo1973@piefed.social on 02 Feb 02:32 collapse

It would be funny if all the US emigrants ended up in Alberta and didn’t wanted to be again in the US.

radiofreebc@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 03:38 collapse

No. We’re not criminals.

Triumph@fedia.io on 31 Jan 00:12 next collapse

Out of the fire, into the frying pan?

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 31 Jan 00:17 next collapse

My first thought. Would their politics shift right or are Manitoba and the PC only right-wing in the context of Canada?

Minnesota has about 4x the population of Manitoba, by the way.

Edits: subject-verb agreement and punctuation

West_of_West@piefed.social on 31 Jan 00:53 next collapse

I did not know that Minnesota was that populated.

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 31 Jan 00:55 collapse

I mean, it's not. Unless you live in Manitoba.

West_of_West@piefed.social on 31 Jan 01:28 collapse

Hah, or the rest of Western Canada. At 5.8 million it has more people than either British Columbia or Alberta. Although it is close.

androgynouscloudmoon@slrpnk.net on 31 Jan 00:53 next collapse

I’m in Texas and have been looking into Manitoba, and can assure you based on their parties alone that it’s “only right-wing in the context of Canada” 100%.

I have no idea what adding Minnesota would do though, it would completely change politics in the area even if it was its own province, never mind the US actually allowing that to happen.

Quilotoa@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 00:59 next collapse

Well, they support universal healthcare and abortion. The Manitoba PC is kind of a mix.

HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works on 31 Jan 01:21 collapse

Tbf the only reason the PCs support abortion is because of our Supreme Court struck down the laws that criminalized it.

In 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in R. v. Morgentaler that the existing law was unconstitutional, and struck down the 1969 Act. The ruling found that the 1969 abortion law violated a woman’s right to “life, liberty and security of the person” guaranteed under Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms established in 1982.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada

Former PM Stephen Harper then put the last nail in the coffin when he announced the federal PCs would not challenge the ruling. This is because although abortion is considered legal here there is no law on the books that makes it so. If the PCs were to challenge the SCoC’s ruling they would likely force the feds to make a law the enshrined abortion care as legal.

androgynouscloudmoon@slrpnk.net on 31 Jan 01:59 collapse

Oh don’t worry, I’m under no delusion it’s some sort of leftist utopia, it’s just that Manitoba could be FAR worse. Please keep fighting for those rights regardless of whatever laws are in place, don’t just assume it’s all settled.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 31 Jan 21:56 collapse

Hmm. Manitoba is run by Wab Kinew/the NDP…socialists.

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 02:23 next collapse

The most left wing of the US is still right of anything in Canada.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 31 Jan 09:16 collapse

Minnesota voted 47% for Trump last election. It would be the most right-wing province in Canada if it joined. No thanks.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 31 Jan 21:54 collapse

Manitoba isn’t right wing…currently has a “socialialist” government. Maybe you mean Alberta?

I don’t think it’s logical to talk about our respective peoples in those terms…we have many Canadians that are right of many Americans…and many Americans that are left of many Canadians. 

If we moved the border most normal people wouldn’t notice too much of a change…at the end of the day…but there’d be some irreconcilable sticking points like firearms.

DaddleDew@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 01:16 collapse

In the purely hypothetical situation where Minnesota joined Canada, it would most likely become its own province and not be fused with Manitoba.

metallic_substance@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 00:55 next collapse

No shot this will actually happen, but I support it. Fuck this country

ameancow@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 02:46 collapse

It’s not new, these stories have been around a long time. And yeah nobody takes them seriously, it’s more of a meta-political cartoon type joke that gets shared as a way of saying “People talkin’ this way right about now”.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 31 Jan 00:43 next collapse

They should sort their own problems out, not try to get us to do it for them.

Besides, we don't want them. Too many Americans.

adespoton@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 01:16 next collapse

Minnesotans are Canadian Lite though. They share similar values and accents.

adarza@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 02:19 next collapse

the twin cities doesn’t have a ‘chinatown’ or a ‘little italy’–they have little canada

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 31 Jan 02:08 collapse

They're extremely right wing compared to the average Canadian. 47% of their vote went to Trump last election.

Ask them if they're ready to give up their second amendment rights to join Canada. Ask them what they think about socialized health care. Bet a lot of that eagerness to join will fade.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 Jan 20:32 collapse

Oh yeah, it’s kind of a purple state, isn’t it?

Like everywhere else it’s going to heavily differ in major cities vs. outside, but just letting the twin cities in wasn’t the question.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 31 Jan 20:45 collapse

Even that would still be bringing in an extremely right-wing population.

The by-county results are here, the twin cities have 27% Trump support. The lowest in the state, sure, but that's still almost a third of the population that voted for Donald Trump.

That's twice the Canadian national average from the same time period. Those two counties considered in isolation are still redder than the reddest Canadian province.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 Jan 21:09 collapse

You have to consider it’s a two party system, though, and America First will always sell better to Americans. That 15% of Canada is well to the right of the average Trump voter.

I have no idea which way they’d vote as a Canadian city, but it wouldn’t be the bluest (as in Conservative) place in the country.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 31 Jan 21:15 collapse

Sorry, if we're getting this fiddly trying to explain how "they're not extreme extreme right, just extreme right!" it's not going to cut it.

Canada doesn't want Minnesota. Not even the "good bits." Americans are just going to have to sort this out for themselves. If individuals want to become Canadian there's an immigration process they can apply for, they don't get to just declare their chunk of America to be Canadian and bypass all that.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 Jan 22:14 collapse

I mean, you definitely don’t speak for all of us, there, although you’ve worded it that way.

The real obstacle is that they legally can’t leave the US, anyway.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 31 Jan 22:22 collapse

And they can't legally join either. The Canadian constitution would need to be amended and ratified by at least seven provinces representing over half the population. That is never going to happen. Not for an American state that's far to the right of Canada politically (ie, any American state).

Canada decides whether a new province is let in. Not Americans.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 Feb 01:45 collapse

I’m pretty sure Hawaii, at least, would vote red and orange.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 01 Feb 07:44 collapse

They were 37% Trump voters in 2024, so I wouldn't bet on it.

Besides, I think it'd be unfair to the Turks and Caicos Islands, who are at the head of the "tropical Canadian island province" queue if they want it. Hawaii should wait its turn.

Quilotoa@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 02:06 collapse

This is old, but hits the mark perfectly. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgpMLSK_I8

Cort@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 01:08 next collapse

If Minnesota goes, I bet Wisconsin would be soon to follow after recent events.

ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca on 31 Jan 01:21 next collapse

There’s be some rivalry between Wisconsin and Québec regarding who makes the best cheese curds. 

SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip on 31 Jan 01:49 next collapse

If Québec would be open to making poutine with deep-fried cheese curds, it could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Cort@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 02:27 next collapse

With both fried cheese and fried potatoes you could call it Poutine deux frite.

rbos@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 06:37 collapse

I’ve been to Quebec. They’ll poutine ANYTHING. There are so many variations on the theme, nobody would bat an eye at that.

jbrains@sh.itjust.works on 31 Jan 03:25 collapse

I think there’s room for both.

SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip on 31 Jan 01:47 collapse

Nah, Wisconsin is too purple, sadly. This is the state, after all, that voted for the semi-sentient bucket of pig shit named F. Ron Johnson over Russ Feingold. Maybe Douglas County and blue parts of LaCrosse could sneak in there on the edge of Minnetoba undetected, though.

FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 01:50 next collapse

Scott Walker was a real piece of shit too if I recall correctly.

toddestan@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 17:08 collapse

I don’t think Wisconsin is as purple as it initially appears. It’s just that the Republicans have managed to get a real stranglehold on that state.

DaddleDew@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 01:17 next collapse

I find it hilarious that this made its way to CBC. Usually they don’t stir the international politics pot like this.

kreskin@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 01:37 next collapse

Putin wouldnt mind some US states fragmenting and joining canada so maybe he’ll allow trump to allow it. It’d cause more carnage in American politics.

hydrashok@sh.itjust.works on 31 Jan 02:32 next collapse

I’m in. I love hockey, politeness, and poutine. I can handle winter and cold. I already know the anthem in English and French, because hockey. And I hate the Leafs.

lividweasel@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 02:39 next collapse

And I hate the Leafs.

You could have just said this part and I’d fully support you as a citizen.

radiofreebc@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 03:38 collapse

That, or the Canucks, would have been equally acceptable.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 31 Jan 21:49 collapse

If Minnesota joined…Quebec would probably use the opportunity separate because we’d have to open up the constitution.

hydrashok@sh.itjust.works on 31 Jan 02:50 next collapse

If you haven’t watched this beauty, please do. It’s hilariously accurate on Minnesotan communication, and I believe many of our Canadian brethren will identify with it. Might even help our chances of getting in.

youtu.be/oiSzwoJr4-0

Thanks, PBS!

MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 03:58 next collapse

Let me know if that’s gonna happen so I can move to MN real quick

egerlach@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 04:11 next collapse

Out of all the States, Minnesota is one of the few I’d have almost zero objection to welcoming in. “Minnesota Nice” and “Canadian Polite” are closely related (but somewhat different).

Sadly, it will never happen. Adding a province requires re-opening the Constitution, and that’s not going to happen. (If you’re too young to remember, look up the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords)

cecilkorik@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 05:40 collapse

Minnesota is already honorary Canadian and in my opinion, always has been.

Constitutions are made up by people and people can change them. All you need to do is either get everyone to agree, or make sure the people who don’t agree can’t stop you. Trump chose the latter, and has completely ignored and dismantled the US constitution. Whatever comes out the other side is going to be very, very different. I’m not saying that we should do that. But in the face of an existential threat like that, I don’t think it’s beyond reason that we could, in fact, get everyone to agree. It’s amazing how staring mutual death and dissolution in the face can change the bitterest of rivalries into if not perfect alignment, at least a functional working relationship. Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.

kurmudgeon@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 06:23 next collapse

Please take Maine too!

Formfiller@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 06:35 next collapse

California Washington Oregon and Hawaii are in too and I don’t want to debate about Hawaii because we need to band together for protection from this evil regime standing alone isn’t an option at this time

T00l_shed@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 19:30 next collapse

And canada getting a tropical paradise would be the cherry on top

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 Jan 20:30 next collapse

At that point it’s blue America with a bit of Canada attached, though. At least by population.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 22:27 collapse

Have you ever been in Rural Washington or Oregon? How about Orange County California? There are some really fucked up MAGA Nazi fucks in those areas. Just because the cities are blue doesn’t mean the rural parts aren’t filled with dumbass, sister fucking, redneck cunts.

Formfiller@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 17:15 next collapse

They can leave and go to maga land and we invite the sane people from middle America to settle their property. They’ll leave one way or another

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 21:13 collapse

There are some really fucked up MAGA Nazi fucks in those areas.

The RCMP are busy, but they’ll get to that issue eventually. We will build secure housing for those people near our new Northern seaport.

Bristlecone@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 16:41 next collapse

That’s some clever stuff

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 31 Jan 21:45 next collapse

We should really be both breaking up into regions/countries that make sense: 

  • “Cascadia”: British Columbia, Oregon and Washing State
  • The Maritimes and New England
  • Quebec 
  • The South
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 21:56 next collapse

No. With the exception of Quebec there is no good legal way nor particularly good reason to split Canada up. We aint gonna weaken ourselves because of some regional ‘vibes’. Provinces already tend to cooperate more within their region as it is.

You can do whatever you want down there but keep us out of it.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 01 Feb 03:22 collapse

Oh, I agree.

A lot of things just make more sense north to south or regionally.

I’m Canadian BTW.

skozzii@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 22:08 next collapse

Why do Canadians have to change? We aren’t the ones who suck.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 22:23 next collapse

How about, NO!

Canada is Canada. We might be a bit different in the Maritime than in BC, but we are all fucking Canadian.

Fuck off with your break up Canada bullshit.

the_crotch@sh.itjust.works on 31 Jan 22:49 collapse

CT resident here. I’ve seen trailer park boys. You’re never going to convince me to join the maritimes. Get oat of my trailer.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 01 Feb 03:24 next collapse

Oot.

There’s no trailers in CT?

PlaidBaron@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 11:53 collapse

I bet you make some pretty fucked scalloped potatoes, bud.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 22:21 next collapse

100% Fuck No!

There are way too many Americans that will not adapt to Canadian culture. Even on the left there is heavy “American exceptionalism” brainwashing and they love guns and Jesus way too much.

Remember that 1/3 of Americans wanted to do something other than Trump. 2/3rd wanted him or didn’t give a shit enough to vote.

If Americans want a better life, they can move to Canada.

Agent641@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 21:32 next collapse

Deport them to America lol

DarkoRubio@lemmy.zip on 01 Feb 23:55 collapse

It’s hilarious seeing you put American liberals in the same sentence as guns and Jesus.

You know damn well the Trailer Park Boys was a documentary, and that there’s many a modern Canadian conservative more deserving of the ire.

“America is bad” is more a trope than reality — you highlight the most sensationalist atrocities while ignoring the inconceivably large land and goodwill dividend that so many actual Americans embody.

A Canadian was just arrested for sexually assaulting 100+ American girls. Things like that and oh idk, Canadian disappearing of folk, kidnapping of First Nation children, items like the Somali affair where your peace corps murdered a teenager etc — so much criticism is only deemed valid one-way, when it’s a more toiling nation-state scrounging its fist and shouting “you’re the baddie and Canada’s better…”

— the sweet irony of that being you’d claim American exceptionalism there as well.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca on 02 Feb 01:52 collapse

Ok. Thanks for playing.

DarkoRubio@lemmy.zip on 02 Feb 04:21 collapse

Thank you for further confirming my comment.

RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com on 31 Jan 22:50 next collapse

I have a trade offer for Canada. America gets Alberta, Canada gets New England, Mid-Atlantic, Pacific, and Puerto Rico.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 31 Jan 22:51 next collapse

Canada will take California as well

WindyRebel@lemmy.world on 31 Jan 22:55 collapse

That’s part of the Pacific.

RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com on 31 Jan 22:56 collapse

I should have been more spacific.

Quilotoa@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 02:12 collapse

I think we’d need a laneway across Alberta so B.C. isn’t cut off. Maybe encompassing the oil fields?

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 21:08 collapse

need a laneway across Alberta

They’ll get so little land that the trans-canada highway will probably suffice. I do not agree in rewarding the colonizers who genocidally settled North America from the Clovis people, but the current administration has arbitrarily decided on that, so that’s the law – it’s theirs, apparently, and more importantly, it’s not available for the people of Marlaina Smith to try and take with them.

Ultimately, they trade in their passports and get a plane ticket. That’s the only deal they deserve.

I’d GLADLY accept a People Swap, thogh, where we take in wonderful Minnesotans in exchange for the stupidest of our demented flatlander contingent.

Skullgrid@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 21:46 collapse

our demented flatlander contingent.

I love the ambiguity of being flat earth believers or people living on flat land. great work.

nandeEbisu@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 00:08 next collapse

Honestly, Canada takes Minnesota and the great lake state, and the east and west coasts form their own countries might not be the worst outcome in 10 years or so.

updn@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 21:16 collapse

Trade for Alberta?