from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 04 Dec 2025 13:20
https://lemmy.world/post/39711428
According to a transcript obtained by the German outlet, Europe rallied around Volodymyr Zelenskyy and sharply criticized Washington.
French President Emmanuel Macron warned the U.S. could be about to “betray” Ukraine, according to a leaked transcript of a call between European leaders strategizing about how to protect Kyiv.
The details of the phone call — which took place Monday and involved Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and others — were published by German magazine Der Spiegel and saw the leaders discussing U.S.-led peace negotiations with Kyiv and Moscow.
“There is a possibility that the U.S. will betray Ukraine on the issue of territory without clarity on security guarantees,” Macron said, according to Spiegel, adding there was “a great danger” for Zelenskyy. The Élysée did not immediately respond to POLITICO’s request for comment. Spiegel reported the Élysée denied in a statement to the German outlet that Macron spoke of any betrayal. “The president did not use those words,” Macron’s office said, per Spiegel.
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This is what happens when you have a US administration that’s more concerned with its own interests than with supporting its allies in the face of aggression from Russia. Macron is right to be wary - it’s time for the US to step up and provide real support to Ukraine, not just empty words
You’re just describing Realpolitik, which we’ve been practicing since at least Nixon
Is it still realpolitik if they’re going directly against the interests of their own country, and only focusing on their own personal interests?
That’s more just “corruption”. But we’ve been practicing corrupt politics since… checks history textbook… ah, President George Washington.
The problem with the Ukraine/Russia war is that there’s a ton of economic interests geared towards arming belligerents, clearing out native peoples from their land, and looting Ukraine for the benefit of external plutocrats. One could argue this is a problem with every war, particularly in the 400 years since we’ve developed a capitalist form of enterprise. We’re just doing to Ukraine and the surrounding Mediterranean region what Spain, France, and Britain were doing to North America centuries earlier.
That kind of conquest and control is both profitable for the ranking leadership of the invading countries and broadly beneficial for the public at-large who get salaries and investment returns as a consequence of the economic activity of shooting and looting.
So, now we’re describing “imperialism”.
That’s been like every administration. The US has pretty much only cared about its own interests.
In the past, the US assumed it’s allies were it’s own interests. Now it’s about how much money can be bribed.
But they were only allies because being allies served US interests.
Although I guess that’s true of allies in general.
Specifically US corporate interests.
The thing is supporting Ukraine and keeping the current world order and its alliances intact is at the core of US interests.
Did you mean ‘intact’? As a statement on tact this sentence has a really different meaning.
Yeah I did - no idea where the space came from.
Yes but US interests are of no concern to Trump. Only his own matter.
The US administation isn’t even concerned with its own interests. It’s willing to burn everything to the ground for autocracy, in the most Pyrrhic of “victories.”
Typical.
Yes. The current US is untrustworthy.
Te previous one too imo
Only a Russian would say this
Only an American would believe that
Yeah, totally trustworthy before
Could? We are way past that.
We’re just on the other side of the country, plundering their real estate Eastward while the Russians move West.
Yeah, that seemed pretty obvious. Even to the most hardcore MAGA it’d probably be obvious, though they’d probably call it a good deal… a GREAT deal.
The people currently in charge of US foreign policy have more than made it clear how two-faced and opportunistic (and fascistic) they intended to be.
Eu should retaliate by harming the USA proxy in the middle east
Unfortunately, in this post capitalist economy the EU is effectively a small player in regards to wealth and have little to no global influence and power to slap USA on the wrists.
7/10 chances it was Denmark again that helped wiretap the call…
i would give the united states to another country like Mexico or whatever