When your stabbed in the heart there’s precious little they can do for you. The police absolutely did mishandle it though. But the mishandling realistically didn’t contribute to the death. Even if they had immediately applied pressure and chest compression. The odds of survival were truly Vanishing. But handcuffing them and leaving them to die was just callous and unnecessary. But that’s how police operate. You have to remember the average person would have hardly been qualified to handle that situation and the police are always less qualified than that.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 12:15
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Maybe we just ought not to freak out about somebody carrying mankind’s oldest tool like a bunch of sissy babies, hmm?
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Jun 12:15
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There are already established workarounds for this.
There are kirpan (the knives) that are very short, intentionally blunted and even difficult to draw on top of all that. Those are a fairly standard option. Even calling it a knife at that point is almost a technicality.
I’m sorry, but banning a knife is about the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. You could stab someone with a screwdriver. Are y’all going to ban screwdrivers next?
Carrying a knife, other than a folding pocket knife, without ‘good reason’ is already illegal in the UK.
What they’re talking about is removing the exception for the kirpan.
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Jun 14:16
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I’ve lived in places with strict self defense laws and lax self defense laws. When I originally lived in the place with lax self defense laws, I thought it must be better if people don’t carry weapons. Then I moved to the place with strict self defense laws…it was worse.
I was subjected to random aggression on a nearly weekly basis. I’d be sitting at a train station with headphones on, minding my own business, when drunk assholes would take it upon themselves to square up and accuse me of anything that came to mind (am I looking at their girl, am I a queer—the irony in that contrast is not lost on me). There were several times that I actually did fear for my life, and all I could do was run away and be late for whatever I was going to. Every time, the biggest ape on the street knew they would win, and they felt entitled to rule their space with an iron fist.
Then I moved back to the place with lax self defense laws and saw it with new eyes. Drivers are more polite because they don’t know who could be armed. Nobody comes up to me in the street and harasses me for no reason. The implication that I could be armed really does seem to make people think twice, and I’ve started to believe that the impulse to check yourself in case you get shot is the only check and balance that aggressive assholes seem to understand.
Now, to the surprise and horror of my younger self, I carry a gun. It took me a while to get used to, but it has given me a new sense of security and calm if any altercation does occur. My girlfriend is disabled and can’t run from a fight—if someone targets her (which has happened multiple times before since she is visibly helpless), I must stand my ground to protect her. Also, it clarifies my thinking to deescalate conflict in those moments because I know I’m comfortably prepared if someone else takes it to a violent level. I don’t need to shout or puff up to create a barrier between her and an aggressive person, I can observe the situation while knowing that my hours of practice put me in a good position to come out on top if somebody wants to fuck around and find out.
It is my sincere hope that I will never shoot at anything other than paper. I do not want to hurt anybody and have never started an altercation with anyone. 99% of the time, retreat is still the best option. That said, I know I have it in me to protect myself and my loved ones if the moment ever required it, and I am comfortable enough with it to not be paralyzed by indecision if that day ever comes.
Needless to say, if I lived in London, I would feel better if I had something other than my fists to protect myself with because my body is not designed to be an effective weapon in the same way that my knife or pistol is. There is a whole lot of time between the start of an altercation and the arrival of police—until they get there, I’m the only responder I can count on.
Regardless of how you may feel, the statistics are not in your favour. Just compare gun deaths per capita in the US vs a country like the UK and it’s clear that the US approach to gun control (or lack thereof) is insane.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social
on 08 Jun 15:50
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Guns don’t make people safer. Knives don’t make people safer.
Sikh knives don’t really fall into those aforementioned categories though, and i’m not trying to show any support there just because of one person’s actions. If someone wants to kill they are going to find a way.
Where the hell do you live that you have so many crazies?
Granted, invoice in Vancouver and here it’s all queer trans cis gay whatever mixed and nobody gives a shit because why would you give a shit about that?
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Whether you’re allowed to carry a knife or not isn’t worth mentioning. Ultimately the police mishandled the situation and as a result somebody died.
And for once this person was white. Can’t see Stephen Yelly ranting about black Brits dying under police supervision.
When your stabbed in the heart there’s precious little they can do for you. The police absolutely did mishandle it though. But the mishandling realistically didn’t contribute to the death. Even if they had immediately applied pressure and chest compression. The odds of survival were truly Vanishing. But handcuffing them and leaving them to die was just callous and unnecessary. But that’s how police operate. You have to remember the average person would have hardly been qualified to handle that situation and the police are always less qualified than that.
Maybe we just ought not to freak out about somebody carrying mankind’s oldest tool like a bunch of sissy babies, hmm?
There are already established workarounds for this.
There are kirpan (the knives) that are very short, intentionally blunted and even difficult to draw on top of all that. Those are a fairly standard option. Even calling it a knife at that point is almost a technicality.
A lot of them are welded shut too.
I’m sorry, but banning a knife is about the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. You could stab someone with a screwdriver. Are y’all going to ban screwdrivers next?
A religious exception to carry deadly weapons is even dumber.
Carrying a knife, other than a folding pocket knife, without ‘good reason’ is already illegal in the UK.
What they’re talking about is removing the exception for the kirpan.
I’ve lived in places with strict self defense laws and lax self defense laws. When I originally lived in the place with lax self defense laws, I thought it must be better if people don’t carry weapons. Then I moved to the place with strict self defense laws…it was worse.
I was subjected to random aggression on a nearly weekly basis. I’d be sitting at a train station with headphones on, minding my own business, when drunk assholes would take it upon themselves to square up and accuse me of anything that came to mind (am I looking at their girl, am I a queer—the irony in that contrast is not lost on me). There were several times that I actually did fear for my life, and all I could do was run away and be late for whatever I was going to. Every time, the biggest ape on the street knew they would win, and they felt entitled to rule their space with an iron fist.
Then I moved back to the place with lax self defense laws and saw it with new eyes. Drivers are more polite because they don’t know who could be armed. Nobody comes up to me in the street and harasses me for no reason. The implication that I could be armed really does seem to make people think twice, and I’ve started to believe that the impulse to check yourself in case you get shot is the only check and balance that aggressive assholes seem to understand.
Now, to the surprise and horror of my younger self, I carry a gun. It took me a while to get used to, but it has given me a new sense of security and calm if any altercation does occur. My girlfriend is disabled and can’t run from a fight—if someone targets her (which has happened multiple times before since she is visibly helpless), I must stand my ground to protect her. Also, it clarifies my thinking to deescalate conflict in those moments because I know I’m comfortably prepared if someone else takes it to a violent level. I don’t need to shout or puff up to create a barrier between her and an aggressive person, I can observe the situation while knowing that my hours of practice put me in a good position to come out on top if somebody wants to fuck around and find out.
It is my sincere hope that I will never shoot at anything other than paper. I do not want to hurt anybody and have never started an altercation with anyone. 99% of the time, retreat is still the best option. That said, I know I have it in me to protect myself and my loved ones if the moment ever required it, and I am comfortable enough with it to not be paralyzed by indecision if that day ever comes.
Needless to say, if I lived in London, I would feel better if I had something other than my fists to protect myself with because my body is not designed to be an effective weapon in the same way that my knife or pistol is. There is a whole lot of time between the start of an altercation and the arrival of police—until they get there, I’m the only responder I can count on.
Regardless of how you may feel, the statistics are not in your favour. Just compare gun deaths per capita in the US vs a country like the UK and it’s clear that the US approach to gun control (or lack thereof) is insane.
you gun types are nutters.
Areas with very restrictive personal defense laws in the US like Massachusetts have lower gun death rates per 100k by a huge margin over wide open states like Mississippi. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/issues/gun-violence-in-the-united-states
Guns don’t make people safer. Knives don’t make people safer.
Sikh knives don’t really fall into those aforementioned categories though, and i’m not trying to show any support there just because of one person’s actions. If someone wants to kill they are going to find a way.
Where the hell do you live that you have so many crazies?
Granted, invoice in Vancouver and here it’s all queer trans cis gay whatever mixed and nobody gives a shit because why would you give a shit about that?