Israel is running critically low on interceptors, US officials say (www.semafor.com)
from return2ozma@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 08:47
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Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 08:55 next collapse

Oh no the consequences of my actions!

baggins@lemmy.ca on 15 Mar 09:22 next collapse

Okay?

Zoldyck@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 09:24 next collapse

👍

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 09:44 next collapse

Well that’s too bad.

Anyways… Anyone have a suggestions what to have for dinner?

blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 10:06 next collapse

I’m going for bagels

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 10:21 collapse

Bagels, for dinner? Isn’t bagel like a thing you eat with your afternoon coffee, like a donut? I’m fairly ignorant about bagels lol

blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 10:35 next collapse

Don’t let big bagel dictate when you eat them

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 10:44 collapse

I think I have never even seen a bagel. Big bagel is very inactive where I live.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 15 Mar 11:32 next collapse

You’re missing out. A good freshly made bagel is extremely tasty!

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 11:35 collapse

I dont doubt that. I just checked it out and its called (sort of) “water circle” in my language lol

tpyo@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 15:21 collapse

That’s awesome; I like the descriptor! They are made by boiling the dough briefly then baking

I might have to use that from now on. What’s your language if you wouldn’t mind sharing?

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 15:38 collapse
Tja@programming.dev on 15 Mar 13:18 collapse

It’s basically bread with a hole in the middle, like a donut. Yummy, but nothing spectacular.

Ariselas@piefed.ca on 15 Mar 13:52 collapse

Breakfast bagels are pretty good, fried egg, bacon, and a slice of Swiss

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 16:10 collapse

I hope the Swiss was consenting to you slicing them up

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 14:52 next collapse

Palestinians have amazing gastronomy. learn to cook some of their stuff. I make about 20kg of pittas and hummus every week for a mutual aid and costs me about 8$ per week. their food is amazing and cheap as fuck.

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 15:55 collapse

Excellent suggestion. I’ve been meaning to try something new. Thai and Italian is starting to get boring after 20 years.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 16:03 collapse

not gatekeeping, just advice, get the best olive oil you can, ideally from a shop you can taste it. And good zaatar is hard to find, avoid any from Walmart spice rack, chances are they replaced the actual zaatar herb (Hyssop in English) with oregano. Most of their food are cheap ingredients so those two key ingredients are important.

if you try Palestinian cooking with low quality oil and oregano instead of zaatar you’ll get something that tastes nothing like it’s meant to taste that.

VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 16:09 collapse

Good advice. :)

Luckily its easy for me to avoid Walmart, I think the closest one is several thousand kilometers away. :D And I’m already a snob about olive oil so I got that one covered as well :) IIRC, theres a middle-east specialized spice/food shop fairly near me, I’ll go check their selection.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 15:51 next collapse

Falafel Gyro.

Halal, of course.

kreskin@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 19:43 collapse

Anyone have a suggestions what to have for dinner?

Evidently if you put an egg, butter and a slice of american cheese in ramen, its magical tasting or something. Sounds like trash to me but worth a try. Unfortunately this is a NYT recipe and you end up going to archive.ph 3 times to read it (eff you, NYT). but its the most american thing ever.

…nytimes.com/…/1016583-perfect-instant-ramen

middlemanSI@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 10:10 next collapse

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them now?

FenrirIII@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 19:21 next collapse

I found the antisemite! /jk

lithiumground@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 19:56 collapse

İt is antisemitism to not feel sorry for

venusaur@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 10:20 next collapse

Gotta send them $1B I guess

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online on 15 Mar 10:36 next collapse

For humanity to progress we’re going to need people to learn the lesson that militaristic expansion will end your civilization.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 15 Mar 10:37 next collapse

so will iran turn them into gaza soon or what

fizzle@quokk.au on 15 Mar 11:33 next collapse

If there were any justice in this world…

jj4211@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 11:37 collapse

Eye for an eye and the world goes blind

fizzle@quokk.au on 15 Mar 11:47 next collapse

What a silly thing to say.

The whole point of the phrase is that bullies get a beating so they stop fucking everyone up.

lazynooblet@lazysoci.al on 15 Mar 12:07 next collapse

And the point of the phrase you replied to is that retaliatory strikes are endless (retaliate the retaliations) so everyone gets fucked up and the conflict never ends

fizzle@quokk.au on 15 Mar 12:12 collapse

Sure but it doesn’t withstand even a moments critical thought.

There have been retaliatory strikes in every war ever, yet all conflicts end eventually.

jj4211@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 13:34 collapse

The point is the endgame.

If it is to strike back to stop the aggression even taking out the leadership… That’s one thing that can end a conflict.

If you say it most go as far against the citizens of Israel as the IDF has gone against the citizens of Gaza, that degree of vengeance back and forth can never be reasonably resolved. Assuming the entire citizenry must be made to pay for the sins of the leadership is a road to ever escalating violence.

fizzle@quokk.au on 15 Mar 13:55 collapse

That’s fair.

I’m not really advocating for the slaughter of millions.

Just frustrated like everyone else.

There seems to be overwhelming support for Israel’s behaviour internally. I dislike the Israeli people immensely.

Damage@feddit.it on 15 Mar 13:31 collapse

Funny thing it’s a phrase from the Hebrew Bible

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 15 Mar 13:40 collapse

the world is already blind. might as well blind some genociders too.

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 13:35 next collapse

They won’t. These right wingers are based around violence, a more fitting death would be to let them die with the infrastructure collapsing with US leaving middle east and their economy tanking and people going after the genociding elites.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 14:54 collapse

don’t think so, the real damage is that their economy is nearly at halt, given they spent most of the day in shelters, schools are closed.

grte@lemmy.ca on 15 Mar 10:52 next collapse

Wow, they didn’t stop to check that before starting a war? That seems ill advised.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 14:31 collapse

they count on their vasal states to give them more

Pofski@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 11:05 next collapse

So, basically attacking a country that has been preparing for this war for 20 years might turn out to bite them in the ass?

kittykillinit@lemy.lol on 15 Mar 13:11 next collapse

That’s okay, Americans will buy more while their infrastructure crumbles.

Tja@programming.dev on 15 Mar 13:17 collapse

As long as they don’t have to give up anything basic for their people, like education, or Healthcare… wait…

brownsugga@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 13:17 next collapse

i saw an interesting take the other day claiming the Iron Dome is fake, and just a fireworks show

statelesz@slrpnk.net on 15 Mar 14:05 next collapse

I know a lot of people have absolutely no sympathy for Israel and that’s understandable. But it’s the Israeli government that’s fighting the war and the Israeli society that’s going to suffer under a lack of interceptors.
Don’t fall for the war mongering and conflate any country’s regime with it’s people. The people of Israel don’t deserve to be bombed just like the people of Iran.

teslekova@sh.itjust.works on 15 Mar 14:27 next collapse

They had pro-rape riots.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 14:39 collapse

Having lived in Israel, their only objections to raping Palestinians, is that they consider it zoophilia.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 14:33 collapse

In general you would be correct, but. remember how Israelis keept saying it’s ok to murder all Palestinians because in 2006 they voted for Hamas?

Israel has been voting for apartheid since it’s foundation, and have voted for this genocide. they wanted this.

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 14:36 next collapse

And this will be used as nothing but an excuse to send Israel and arms manufacturers more money unfortunately.

CannonFodder@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 14:57 next collapse

How many interceptors does Gaza or Lebanon have left?

Bullerfar@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 15:45 next collapse

Remember, USA had to go in, because Israel was going to attack Iran nomatter what.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip on 15 Mar 18:06 next collapse

You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.

lithiumground@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 19:52 next collapse

Good

perestroika@slrpnk.net on 15 Mar 20:14 collapse

I plead for journalists to actually inform themselves about the subject before they write… :o

Israel has other ways to defend against Iranian missiles during the war, including via fighter jets, but the interceptors are among the most effective defensive weapons against long-range fire. Its Iron Dome missile defense system is designed to repel more short-range fire.

They speak of Iron Dome (short range, for slow rockets from inside the atmosphere) and THAAD (high altitude, for fast missiles re-entering from space) interchangeably. And they even mention fighter aircraft, which cannot do jack in either case.

The current scenarios:

Hezbollah shoots unguided rockets at Israel -> Iron Dome intercepts maybe 15% of them, and it costs about 10 times as much as the whole rocket salvo.

Iran shoots an IRBM at Israel -> the IRBM splits up in space into cluster munitions -> Israel can intercept the MIRV bus (cluster munition housing), but it’s empty at the time of getting intercepted. Not much point.

A missile defense system, in this case, cannot do jack either. For this type of attack, defense is only has a point if you expect to get nuked, becuause a nuclear-armed reentry vehicle cannot be made arbitrarily small.

Otherwise you just absorb the hits. This is the cost of war. And try to find the other guy’s launchers, and try to prevent them from producing more.