South Korea Expects Its Already-World’s-Lowest Fertility Rate to Keep Falling
(time.com)
from GutsBerserk@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Dec 2023 05:17
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from GutsBerserk@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Dec 2023 05:17
https://lemmy.world/post/9547028
The latest forecast by Statistics Korea puts the population in 2072 at 36.2 million, a 30% decline from the current 51.7 million, even though the fertility rate may recover a bit to 0.68 in 2026. The population is expected to fall every year starting in 2025.
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Nothings gonna change unless something changes.
namely their miserable work culture
It’s probably work and wealth inequality that’s the biggest driver for this.
There’s also a massive and rising anti-feminist incel subculture, which the current President Yoon took power from. Women in South Korea don’t trust men in South Korea as much.
Insane work culture, huge wealth inequality, and rising anti-women movements all hurt birth rates.
What’s causing a rising anti-feminist incel subculture?
Unsurprisingly, a rising feminist subculture among women. Because Korea in general has been historically misogynistic, exposure to more feminist media and culture as well as societal progression has led to rises in feminism among women. As a response, men have felt threatened, and claim feminists are “going too far,” and call feminists “femi.”
An example of recent incel “controversy” is when an idol character in a video game had a frame where her index finger and thumb appeared like this: 🤏 and incels took that to be offensive to Korean Penis size, and had the man who animated that fired from Nexien. I wish I was joking.
Lol, hilarious.
I mean yeah, it’s sad this is going on. But that example is just too funny.
Hopefully these men can get over themselves and start treating women with the respect they deserve.
Oh, absolutely, I agree. The only thing that truly brings solace is that reactionary movements get louder when progressive movements grow stronger.
So the exact same reaction that men the world over have when women start demanding equal rights.
There’s nothing particularly Korean about this. Basically every culture is historically misogynistic, the exceptions are few and far between and are generally romanticized based on limited information.
The exact same reactions took place in America 100 years ago during women’s suffrage, and are taking place again now with the abortion debacle.
That’s why I said “unsurprisingly,” and considering South Korea has developed far more recently, it’s also important to recognize that their social progress is behind much of other developed countries. I wasn’t implying that Korea has anything specific about them that made them especially misogynistic, rather, it’s pointing at their current conditions and trajectories.
I beg to differ. Nobody can beat my infertility rate, I have 0 children. Unless someone out there has -1 children…
Depending on how you count it Netanyahu has -8000+ children. You gotta work harder.
Fucking spawn campers.
There’s the (very) real issue of infant mortality.
That’s not my point at all.
If Mary has 2 apples, and she gives Billy 3 apples, then Mary has -1 apples. That math don’t work homie, you can’t have -1 of something.
Ya know, I see I’m getting downvoted by some folks, and that’s perfectly okay. Just remember, the article is about adult fertility, not infant deaths. If folks stayed on topic, they might get my point.
There’s no way I can have negative fertility, it’s either zero or a positive number. I have zero children, so what?
To suggest negative fertility is absurd, sperm either fertilizes an egg or it doesn’t. Zero or one (or maybe even two or more sometimes), but there’s no such thing as semen unfertilizing a fertilized egg.
lol just vote
For which party?
None of them seems to have any solution to the issues.
That’s the joke. This is literally a problem directly cause by capitalism, and voting will not solve this issue.
But people still think voting is the only way we can improve society.
Didn't know that you can vote who runs Samsung.
Akchually you can, if you own enough shares.
You actually can’t, Samsung is owned and run by Chaebol. It’s essentially the same family at the top, with no sign of their power shifting.
www.samsung.com/global/ir/…/board-of-directors/
Samsung is a publicly traded company. Owning enough shares allows you to have enough voting power to significantly alter the result of the elections with a single vote.
In theory, yes, though the number of shares required to go against the Chaebol is just not feasible. There’s a reason South Korea specifically has a word for a specific group of Billionaire Capitalists, they are essentially untouchable.
Not how Chaebols run: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/business/south-korea-chaebol-samsung.html
Don’t they have time to have children with 70h labor week? Wow such a pussies…
South Korea best!!!
And also the culture of idols etc does not have positive impact for sure
Seems to me that areas with crazy work life balance issues also have thriving idol industries. Makes me think they are related, guys don’t have time for real relationships so they have pretend parasocial ones instead
Same in Japan. And it’s not just pop singers. Just saw a YouTube video about how a Japanese weather channel uses cute women to gain popularity and it’s basically the same strategy as what they do with idols. These women have to keep their dating life secret. Because they have to seem eligible to their fans. People on the internet found out that one of these weather girls was dating a tennis player. And lots of fans got really mad. Then in the video they showed an event where fans can see the weather girls live on stage and the audience was 99% men in their 30’s and 40’s. It’s no surprise that Japan is infertile when a significant portion of their men rather wants to be in parasocial relationship with a woman who’s miles out of their league then be in a real relationship.
Also many Japanese men are otaku, it’s men who are super obsessed with their hobbies. But Japan being Japan these men take it to their extreme. They spend so much time on their hobbies that they don’t have time for other things like dating. They for example rather take pictures of trains than try to find a partner.
And prostitution is way more normalized and socially accepted in Japan and Korea. Many Japanese women don’t even think it’s cheating if their husband visits a prostitute.
Combine all of that with extremely long working hours, cost of living and expensive housing it’s not a surprise that these two countries have much lower birth rates than other developed nations. Why would their men go trough all the trouble of finding a spouse, getting kids and spend a shit ton of money on them when they can just fantasize of being in a relationship with a beautiful woman, play with their toys and then visit a prostitute to get off when society doesn’t shame these men for their infantile behavior but rather exploits it.
I see nothing wrong with this personally.
Haha Nerd!
Nor to have one of the longest and hardest military services in the world.
Having North Korea as their only neighbour doesn’t help though
It seems for the past few years, it keeps going lower than predicted, and thus the predications keep going down. I wouldn’t be surpised if it instead bottomed out at 0.51 in say 2030
Definitely good news for marine life.
They need better labor laws there.
The issue isn’t fertility, it’s the country, the culture, the labor laws. Nobody will want to get kids in a climate like that