Iran Now Threatening To Close Bab Al-Mandeb Strait After Trump Threats (www.forbes.com)
from 8oow3291d@feddit.dk to world@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 12:10
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Although Iran does not border the Bab al-Mandeb Strait, Yemen does, and Iran is closely allied with the Houthis, the Yemeni militant group that previously conducted dozens of strikes against Israel-linked vessels in the Red Sea in 2023 and 2024 in response to the war in Gaza.

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8oow3291d@feddit.dk on 06 Apr 12:17 next collapse

Funny little old article from 2025:

On Sunday, the head of Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard, Gen. Hossein Salami, denied his country was involved in the Houthis’ attacks, saying it “plays no role in setting the national or operational policies” of the militant groups it is allied with across the region, according to state-run TV.

Because of course Iran had previously blatantly falsely claimed that they had no control over their proxies, the Houthis.

While fuck Trump and his war crimes in all kinds of way, this war is ultimately a result of Iran playing stupid games with their terrorist proxies. Whether Iran will win stupid prizes, we will see.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 13:28 next collapse

Dude that’s not even the proximate case

8oow3291d@feddit.dk on 06 Apr 13:33 collapse

So Iranian proxies attacking Israel for years was completely irrelevant to Israel attacking Iran? Bullshit.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 13:39 collapse

So Israel entrenching their apartheid state for decades instead of working towards a more collaborative and egalitarian future with their neighboring countries and cultures was completely irrelevant to Israel attacking Iran? Bullshit.

You’re cherry-picking one-off justifications in a context that has history going back for literal millennia.

8oow3291d@feddit.dk on 06 Apr 13:52 next collapse

Assuming you actually think that is a valid argument, let me ask you a question: How well are Jews treated in e.g. Yemen, do you think?

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:14 collapse

Probably similar to the thousands of Jews that live peacefully in Iran?

8oow3291d@feddit.dk on 06 Apr 14:26 collapse

I see that you base your worldview on whichever fantasy makes you feel good in the moment, not reality or actually looking up facts. Good to know.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:28 collapse

What facts did I make-up? Do Jews not live in Iran?

8oow3291d@feddit.dk on 06 Apr 14:51 collapse

I admit that your post was 100% fact free. So you did not make up any facts, I admit.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:51 collapse

As have yours by the way.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 13:58 collapse

instead of working towards a more collaborative and egalitarian future with their neighboring countries and cultures

You mean the ones that have “death to Israel” as a slogan? C’mon people. Don’t lionize Iran just because you’re angry at Israel and the US.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:15 next collapse

Did you ever stop to think why they say that?

Counldnt have anything to do with the way Isriel has treated muslim neighbours could it now.

Edit: let me be clear.

Fuck the Iranian government and its burtal oppression of its people.

But fuck the US for making it worse.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 14:19 collapse

They’ve said it since the '70s. Maybe instead of entrenching their theocratic dictatorship for decades they should be working towards a more collaborative and egalitarian future with their neighboring countries and cultures.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:24 next collapse

what else happened about then…..

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 14:30 collapse

And what happened before that? And before that? And before that? This is how all these discussions go. But you blame Israel for not “cozing up” to a regime that literally does not recognize their legitimacy and has done so for 50 years while it has also funded terror groups to attack them.

I’m sorry but there is not black and white here.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:32 next collapse

Your right, there’s tons of historical context here.

You act like this attitude twords the US and its allies are in a vacuum.

You act like Israel doesn’t have nukes treating them as well, funding terror in the region themselves. Gaza and Lebanon come to mind.

Why should Iran cozy up to such a hostile nation?

They’re not. There rooted in the blood spilled by those same countries.

If the US is hated, it’s probably justified.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 14:49 collapse

If the US is hated, it’s probably justified.

I’m not saying it isn’t. I’m saying, and did say, not to lionize Iran just because you’re mad at Israel and the US.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:52 collapse

I can be mad at both, and still believe Iran is in the right to defend itself from American and Israeli imperialism first.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 14:54 collapse

I can’t support any state that has supported terrorism the way Iran has. There is no justification for that.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 14:55 collapse

What about the american terrorism? Glossing over that?

What I’m pointing out here,

Is that Americans and Israels have been the terrorist for decades in that region. Assisinating generals they feel like, bombing schools, developing nukes, the list goes on so much more than Iran and its proxies. So o don’t understand how you can primailry denounce the little guy, at the expense of the angry shark in the room.

Because there likely wouldn’t be as much terrorism, if not for the decades of antagonist behaviours.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 15:41 collapse

What about the american terrorism? Glossing over that?

Nope.

Because there likely wouldn’t be as much terrorism, if not for the decades of antagonist behaviours.

look what you made me do!

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 16:06 next collapse

Look at what you made me do

So you are saying the us shouldn’t have launched the campaign? Because that sounds exactly like how your responding as well. They’re all terrorists, look at what you made me do……

What makes Iran terorists and the us not one?

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 16:24 collapse

So you are saying the us shouldn’t have launched the campaign?

Yes. I haven’t said otherwise - y’all just assume I’m saying whatever the straw-man in your head has ready arguments for.

That said - terrorism is always the greater evil than military attacking military. You can justify war as “politics through other means” but when you start attacking non-combatant populations you’re in a world of wrong. There is no justification for it. That was Iran’s choice. That they fought back isn’t (necessarily) wrong, but that they have chosen terrorism as their means is.

wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone on 06 Apr 17:05 next collapse

You say that like the greatest terrorist organisation isnt the US military.

What I’m pushing agaisnt is who your letting define twrrosit, because to most west asia (and even east Asia), the terorista are the US military.

Tolc@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 17:43 collapse

so US cant be terrorist because it has military org? and bunch of peasants and farmers rising up against imperialism is terrorism? lol you are in deep amrikkkan

Tolc@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 17:42 collapse

look what you made me do!

such a stupid gotcha, would hate holocaust survivor jews for hating all germans or not?

Schmoo@slrpnk.net on 06 Apr 17:43 collapse

Iran is right not to recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli state, because it was recently created via a violent settler-colonial occupation culminating in a genocide. It’s not black and white, but it isn’t completely fucking gray either, and there are some parts of this that are black and white.

From the American Declaration of Independence:

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Israel de facto governs the Palestinian people without their consent, depriving them of all rights and treating them as disposable. In this case where Israel has refused all attempts of the Palestinians to alter this arrangement the only path that remains to them is to abolish the Israeli state, as is their right. Israel does not have a right to exist and no other state does either. The existence of any state is a privilege derived from the consent of the governed.

Tolc@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 17:40 collapse

Israel has no right to exist, its a literal nazi state, fuck you for defending its existence and fuck everyone else who does so

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 15:05 collapse

I’m not glorifying or supporting nihilistic slogans like that. I’m saying that there’s a reason they became popular, and it’s the same reason they have tended to grow in popularity.

As in: if Israel had maintained a strong defense force, acknowledged and made attempts to rectify mistakes from their past, and simultaneously tried their best to get along with and form economic and cultural ties with the surrounding countries and cultures instead of resorting to military adventurism every time they felt a bit squeamish, perhaps they wouldn’t be in the extremely fucky and deeply, darkly ironic position they’re in today.

Tolc@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 15:41 collapse

Those are not terror proxies but freedom fighters, hope that helps

8oow3291d@feddit.dk on 06 Apr 16:11 collapse

Ah yes, freedom fighting Shia Muslims firing unguided freedom rockets at Israeli civilians.

Note that both the Houthis and Hezbollah are Shias (hence allied with Shia Iran, in the Sunni-Shia religious cold war). And the Muslims Israel displaced from the Israel were Sunnis. So the claim of them being “freedom fighters” in the Israel-Palestine conflict is quite dubious - Yemen and Iran especially has no relation to Israel, they are just using Jews as an external enemy to blame their own shortcomings on. While of course not caring at all about China’s Uighur genocide.

Lebanon: Hezbollah’s rocket attacks on northern Israel must be investigated as likely war crimes

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Tolc@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 17:31 collapse

unguided freedom rockets at Israeli civilians

B… based

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 06 Apr 12:48 next collapse

The drone revolution is truly something to behold.

EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world on 06 Apr 19:30 collapse

Genocide begets resistance and technology closes the gaps between rich states and oppressed ones.

shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works on 06 Apr 12:55 next collapse

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chasteinsect@programming.dev on 06 Apr 15:55 collapse

If anyone wants a good video covering this strait and other important ones, here’s one by TLDR News Global:

Mapping the World’s (other) Maritime Chokepoints - YouTube

  • Something like 16 % of all sea‑borne trade by value passes through the Bab‑el‑Mandeb compared to about 6 % for the Strait of Hormuz.
  • In normal times something like 20 % of all oil and gas trade consumed by the world passes through the Strait of Hormuz compared to more like 10 % for the Bab‑el‑Mandeb.
  • Saudi Arabia started relying more heavily on exports via the Red Sea which mostly flow out towards Asia via the Bab‑el‑Mandeb
  • Most sea‑borne trade between Europe and Asia passes through the Bab‑el‑Mandeb.
  • The next most direct maritime route includes an 8,000 km detour around Africa.