US and Russian officials draft plan to end Ukraine war based on capitulation from Kyiv
(www.theguardian.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 03:02
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 03:02
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It is unclear if Trump administration backs deal that would mean Kyiv giving up territory and slashing size of military
US and Russian officials have quietly drafted a new plan to end the war in Ukraine that would require Kyiv to surrender territory and severely limit the size of its military, it was reported on Wednesday as Russian drone and missile strikes killed at least 25 people in the city of Ternopil.
The draft plan, which was reportedly developed by Donald Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, and the Kremlin adviser Kirill Dmitriev, would force draconian measures on Ukraine that would give Russia unprecedented control over the country’s military and political sovereignty. The plan is likely to be viewed as surrender in Kyiv.
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Chamberlain would be proud.
I don’t know how things end, but Ukraine should never have to surrender.
Russia is desperate, their only leverage these days is oil and nukes. They won’t nuke anything because they’ll get nuked back immediately and hit again with third strike weapons. Ukraine is effectively hammering their oil distribution and production and this Russia is losing leverage.
It would make zero difference. Putin will continue to take more Ukraine soil.
Afaik they are winning, why would they capitulate?
Trump works for Putin. Even when he says he’s mad at Putin, he still is in his employ (or being blackmailed).
Putin has the pictures of Trump putin Bubba’s balls in his mouth
<Insert Trump winking at Putin gif>
Trump is probably the most compromised corrupt official to ever get into the White House.
Trump would consider himself as a peace maker, but this would essentially dismantle NATO as it currently is. Nobody would base their security on unstable US.
stop LARPing, US. this doesn’t concern you.
If Russia ends up winning after all this… all around depressing and sets a very serious precedent.
Honestly, though, this has happened throughout all of human civilization. It’s only now that people think it’s generally a bad thing. In the past, you either didn’t care, suffered it, or celebrated the conquest.
Are you really ok with humanity going back to barbarism?
Where did you gather that I’m ok with that? What a strange comment. One can view history through a neutral lens.
Ain’t no such thing
There’s an entire field of study called “History” and people are trained to do just that. YOU, specifically, want otherwise. Don’t project that on other people.
History is incredibly biased
History isn’t a living thing, it’s a concept. People within history may be biased, however.
History as we know it is a human concept, as such it is biased
Well the same is true for slavery and dying before your first birthday.
All things that suck and are part of human nature. Sadly most people seem unable to grow past their primal urges.
True, I’ve never heard about stories from the past complaining about bad people doing bad things.
It’s not like the epic of Gilgamesh, one of humanities oldest surviving stories is in the beginning about the overreach and tyranny of a narcissistic king.
Anyone outside of the of the US privileged goons who thought “gaza is not my problem” will soon realized what happened there isnt just a conflict, but a total annihilation of the supposed “international law”
Any country is now free to do whatever the fuck it wants if it can “donate” or “flatter” the rogue state of United states enough… Fuck russia israel and the US, and even the EU which keeps supporting these murdererers under the guise of “neutrality”
Have fun as we head back to a world where borders are decided by force and u can get wiped out because of following the wrong ideology or being the wrong ethnicity
So the US idea of a “peace plan” is the capitulation of Ukraine and preparing Russia to take what is left in five years time?
Well trumps plan but everyone already knew that. If the Democrats would have won the last election, it probably would have went in a totally different direction. The Democrats are more aligned with the European countries. The Republicans with the oil producing countries and authoritarians.
As an outsider looking in, I feel that Ukraine is clearly winning this war. There is no value in accepting the ‘plan’ of a false ally.
A peace plan drafted by NATO sans the United States would make much more sense, because they would have to deal with the fallout if they made Versailles Treaty v2.0.