Well that’s not strictly true. Israelis could pull their finger out of their ass and get rid of Netanyahu, the US could actually step in or any of the nuclear powers in support of Gaza could get involved. They almost certainly won’t, but it could happen.
Netanyahu really is a cunt.
gregorum@lemm.ee
on 13 Jan 2024 23:59
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is that a dare?
Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 00:27
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Bellicose BiBi. Forever a barroom bouncer in New Jersey. I really hope he ends up in a jail cell.
Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 00:51
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Little known fact: Bibi was a bouncer in New Jersey.
I like Taylor Ham.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 00:40
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“No one will stop us, not The Hague, not the axis of evil and not anyone else,"
Wow, the new years in Israel took back them to 2002.
Someone tell them to don’t make the American mistakes post 9/11, oh wait… :/
gibmiser@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 01:37
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Man, that article was published October 11th. That poor guy mut feel so defeated, it’s a well written article and… here we are.
FishFace@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 01:40
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If the US said they were going to stop providing military support and tech it may well stop it…
000@fuck.markets
on 14 Jan 2024 02:53
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If they don’t want to recognize international law, maybe we shouldn’t recognize them as a sovereign nation.
filister@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 04:29
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Eerily reminiscent of the fascist playbooks.
Mammal@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 05:11
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The point of the ICJ and laws against genocide and ethnic cleansing is to protect minorities, like, say, Jews.
So if they’re saying that those post WWII rules are now null and void… then there’s nothing to protect them once the US Empire either withdraws or loses interest in providing cover.
nexusband@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 11:14
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Please show me one example, where Israel wants to eradicate Palestinians. And while you’re at it, show me the difference between the Iraqi wars and this.
Hamas and IS are pretty much the same. While I agree that both wars are fruitless and utterly stupid and based on some kind of twisted reality to fight fire with fire (not much difference between terror from Hamas or Israel at this point, same as in the Iraqi Wars) that only brings more death, destruction and despair - it is no genocide.
And Israel ignoring international law is pretty much the same as the US, Russia and China ignoring international law. But to wear down those countries takes time, effort and a United front. While time is probably the smallest issue…effort and and united front is a whole lot more of an issue.
nom_nom@lemmy.ml
on 14 Jan 2024 11:18
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Have you even looked at any of the examples in SA’s case?
nexusband@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 16:05
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Yes. Have you? It should be very clear that not a single genocide case is a dry, clear cut case.
mmcintyre@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 12:33
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What do you call it when you tell Palestinians to evacuate to a particular safe area as you’re about to do some bombing, but then you bomb that supposedly safe area you just sent families into?
What do you call it when you kill more than 10,000 Palestinian children?
I mean, that kinda seems more than a little bit like wanting to eradicate Palestinians.
But also, why did Netanyahu even want Hamas rather than the PA running Gaza in the first place?
nexusband@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 16:04
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What i’d call it? War crimes. On the same level as Russia. Is Russia being accused of genocide because they bomb schools and hospitals? No, they are commuting war crimes. Russia was accused of genocide because they deported children - and they have been found guilty for that.
Israel is committing war crimes left and right while fighting Hamas, but that’s no genocide.
mmcintyre@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 2024 04:01
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Ukraine is a very large nation, Russia would have to pull out the nukes to bomb their way into genocide.
Gaza is just a city, Israel has it easy.
But also… how is stealing children genocide but killing them ain’t?
Doorbook@lemmy.world
on 15 Jan 2024 05:45
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If someone argue (genocide vs war crime) while the world experts who came up with the law of what consider genocide are calling it genocide, you know it is useless speaking with them
sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 17:29
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I don’t think international law has done much to protect Israel over the years. Israel has been attacked 4 times by neighboring countries since their inception. Maybe that’s why they are the way they are when it comes to questions of security.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 17:38
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Justas@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Jan 2024 09:11
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They can, they just don’t want to. Impose sanctions on Israel’s tech industry and restrict material imports and watch their state collapse into nothing in 2 years.
tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 11:34
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Yeah, we’re like the big dude watching two little girls treating each other apart while we toss them random sharp objects. We’re completely fucked and don’t care because what’s gonna happen to us?
febra@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 11:37
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Well that’s not strictly true. Israelis could pull their finger out of their ass and get rid of Netanyahu, the US could actually step in or any of the nuclear powers in support of Gaza could get involved. They almost certainly won’t, but it could happen.
Netanyahu really is a cunt.
is that a dare?
Bellicose BiBi. Forever a barroom bouncer in New Jersey. I really hope he ends up in a jail cell.
Hey! What did NJ do wrong to you?!
Little known fact: Bibi was a bouncer in New Jersey.
I like Taylor Ham.
“No one will stop us, not The Hague, not the axis of evil and not anyone else,"
Wow, the new years in Israel took back them to 2002.
Someone tell them to don’t make the American mistakes post 9/11, oh wait… :/
Man, that article was published October 11th. That poor guy mut feel so defeated, it’s a well written article and… here we are.
If the US said they were going to stop providing military support and tech it may well stop it…
If they don’t want to recognize international law, maybe we shouldn’t recognize them as a sovereign nation.
Eerily reminiscent of the fascist playbooks.
The point of the ICJ and laws against genocide and ethnic cleansing is to protect minorities, like, say, Jews.
So if they’re saying that those post WWII rules are now null and void… then there’s nothing to protect them once the US Empire either withdraws or loses interest in providing cover.
Please show me one example, where Israel wants to eradicate Palestinians. And while you’re at it, show me the difference between the Iraqi wars and this. Hamas and IS are pretty much the same. While I agree that both wars are fruitless and utterly stupid and based on some kind of twisted reality to fight fire with fire (not much difference between terror from Hamas or Israel at this point, same as in the Iraqi Wars) that only brings more death, destruction and despair - it is no genocide.
And Israel ignoring international law is pretty much the same as the US, Russia and China ignoring international law. But to wear down those countries takes time, effort and a United front. While time is probably the smallest issue…effort and and united front is a whole lot more of an issue.
Have you even looked at any of the examples in SA’s case?
Yes. Have you? It should be very clear that not a single genocide case is a dry, clear cut case.
What do you call it when you tell Palestinians to evacuate to a particular safe area as you’re about to do some bombing, but then you bomb that supposedly safe area you just sent families into? What do you call it when you kill more than 10,000 Palestinian children? I mean, that kinda seems more than a little bit like wanting to eradicate Palestinians.
But also, why did Netanyahu even want Hamas rather than the PA running Gaza in the first place?
What i’d call it? War crimes. On the same level as Russia. Is Russia being accused of genocide because they bomb schools and hospitals? No, they are commuting war crimes. Russia was accused of genocide because they deported children - and they have been found guilty for that.
Israel is committing war crimes left and right while fighting Hamas, but that’s no genocide.
Ukraine is a very large nation, Russia would have to pull out the nukes to bomb their way into genocide. Gaza is just a city, Israel has it easy.
But also… how is stealing children genocide but killing them ain’t?
If someone argue (genocide vs war crime) while the world experts who came up with the law of what consider genocide are calling it genocide, you know it is useless speaking with them
That’s a lot of whataboutism there mate.
So Law is whataboutism then?
GDF has a pretty good video on it if you’re interested
800+ Legal Scholars on International Law and Genocide on whether it amounts to genocide
5 more experts on the subject
Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide
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I don’t think international law has done much to protect Israel over the years. Israel has been attacked 4 times by neighboring countries since their inception. Maybe that’s why they are the way they are when it comes to questions of security.
For your convenience:
imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
forward.com/…/israel-land-conquest-1967-occupatio…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#Israel
en.wikipedia.org/…/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israe…
savethechildren.net/…/“treated-animals”-palestini…
en.wikipedia.org/…/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
hrw.org/…/israels-use-draconian-military-orders-r…
amnesty.org/…/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispo…
…wikisource.org/…/Cablegram_from_the_Secretary-Ge…
encyclopedia.com/…/palestinian-arab-congresses
avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
www.middleeasteye.net/…/hamas-2017-document-full
www.btselem.org/apartheid
foreignaffairs.com/…/israel-palestine-one-state-s…
mondoweiss.net/2018/01/examining-myths-israel/
theintercept.com/…/israel-palestine-history-peace
theguardian.com/…/why-israel-allies-explainer
I also like to call my Friends “Vassals”
They can, they just don’t want to. Impose sanctions on Israel’s tech industry and restrict material imports and watch their state collapse into nothing in 2 years.
Gaza won’t exist in 2 years even with sanctions.
Yeah, we’re like the big dude watching two little girls treating each other apart while we toss them random sharp objects. We’re completely fucked and don’t care because what’s gonna happen to us?
Genocidal maniac
yeah, he is willing to trade the Future and wellfare of his Country for his deranged dream of a Israeli Empire.
luckily enough the ordinary Israeli isn’t that Stupid and every Experts progonoses him to be thrown out of Office.
“The basic (colonial) double standard of the Israel Palestine “conflict” is that any Palestinian violence justifies any Israeli violence, but no Israeli violence ever justifies any Palestinian violence, and once you see it, you’ll never stop seeing it.”
How can a country not recognize international law, but I have to pay taxes, which in turn are used to support lawbreakers?