from pete_link@lemmy.ml to world@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2025 23:34
https://lemmy.ml/post/35167973
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/35167663
By Imran Mulla
Published date: 22 August 2025 17:47 BSTNow, he is organising a Gaza Tribunal of his own. “We have on 4 and 5 of September, for two days in Church House in Westminster, an open public inquiry,” Corbyn says.
“It will be live on YouTube and lots of other platforms and channels, and that inquiry will be hearing voices from people in Gaza, in the West Bank, aid workers, journalists, lawyers, international legal experts.”
[Note to our Fedi friends in the UK - it would be great if someone could get this tribunal streamed via Peertube in some fashion.]
The new party was announced on 3 July, when MP Zarah Sultana left the Labour Party and said she would co-lead a different outfit with Corbyn.
That party doesn’t exist yet. It doesn’t even have a name. But it has already received more than 800,000 sign-ups.
Polling this week found that a third of 2024 Labour voters would consider voting for a Corbyn-Sultana-led party, as well as over a quarter of Labour members.
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Someone please tell me why I shouldn’t be optimistic about this.
I don’t know a great deal, but his stance on the Russia/Ukraine war concerns me.
theguardian.com/…/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-sto…
Funny how, according to this article, his stance on Russia/Ukraine is “Palestine should be free”. Really concerning stuff.
Don’t see that objectionable stuff in there, really. I’m in favour of arming Ukraine. This article is several years old. It’s not like Starmer stopped the war either. In fact, I think most Western European politicians have an interest in the war dragging on for as long as possible
Nah, he openly supports the annexation of Crimea (which means he supports the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars).
The stuff about western leaders wanting the war to drag on as long as possible is a tankie conspiracy theory.
I think it’s pretty obvious and I despise tankies. Look at what they’re doing, not just what they’re saying. Russia is a serious threat and they’re finally seeing it. Better to have them fighting in Ukraine than their country
Edit: speaking of nasty conspiracy theories, btw, Starmerites calling Corbyn an antisemite was really the lowest of the low. Labour has been taken over by neoliberals fighting the left harder than the right
Edit: oh no I angered the tankies lol
What they are doing (being slow and inconsistent with weapon deliveries) is driven is by fear and the receptiveness of their electorates to russian sabre rattling (even thought such strategies are openly described in key russian doctrinal texts) and russian propaganda.
I hate Corbyn, but I don’t think he is an anti-semite (or maybe I just don’t know enough). There is more than enough things to call him out for beyond vague notions of anti-semitism.
If he supports it so openly, why is there only evidence of the opposite? Do you need your meds?
Don’t lie. His fake peacenik organisation recognized Crimea as part of russia.
Imagine being given the opportunity to fact check yourself, and instead choosing to fall deeper into delusion and paranoia. I’m sorry for you
Keep playing dumb. You don’t even speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you’re acting like some sort authority with you “opportunity to fact check yourself”.
You don’t know jack shit (and we both know this). Keep pretending otherwise. 😄
Here’s a hint: You will never come up with a source for your beliefs because you’d have to admit you’ve been played first.
It’s human to fall for it now and then. You’re amongst the majority.
I hope you get help
Nah, you talk big but you can’t even state Corbyn’s idiotic position on the full scale invasion of Ukraine without looking it up first (if you actually knew, you would have brought it up because it makes a very specific reference for someone in the UK, it’s been parroted by other fake leftists too).
I don’t need to do a web search, because I know Corbyn’s position:
I don’t even need to do a web search for this, because this relatively common knowledge in Ukraine (among people who know who Corbyn is).
But sure, Mr. Arcane2077, who doesn’t even speak Ukrainian or russian claims to be more knowledgeable than someone who lives in Ukraine and where collaboration with russians by scum such a Corbyn is widely reported.
Own your ignorance my man, don’t keep digging into the hole of stupidity that characterizes your knowledge of the relevant issues.
You keep pretending I’m speaking with authority when asking for a source for your outlandish claims. Says more about you than me lmao
feddit.uk/post/35181984/19647124
So he did nothing he’s being accused of. Did you even read the contents of the links in the comment you sent me? God you people are so tiring
I skimmed them as I knew most of it already. I’ve seen him say stuff about Russia that disgusts me before.
Good follow up post : feddit.uk/post/35181984/19652057
If Corybn wants support from people like me, he needs to come out loudly condemning Putin’s actions and support Ukraine. Being anti-war is a massively stupid position against someone like Putin.
I was wondering if what you were saying about Corbyn was true, so I looked up most of your claims (all true for those I checked), and I thought I’d share what I found for others.
Corbyn used Russian talking points as justification for not wanting to do anything about Russia’s conquest of Crimea: hscentre.org/…/corbyn-wrong-says-ukrainian-human-…
Corbyn has indeed worked with RT. This article called him a frequent guest: thearticle.com/rt-is-putins-propaganda-channel-so…
Corbyn is indeed against NATO: channel4.com/…/factcheck-corbyn-did-call-for-nato…
And Corbyn does indeed oppose weapon deliveries to Ukraine because “it would prolong the war”: theguardian.com/…/labour-left-breaks-with-jeremy-…
He Putin’s basically. Maybe out of naivety, but the result is the same.
As I mentioned in this thread, only an idiot would think such matters wouldn’t be reported in Ukrainian media (that has no stake in internal UK politics).
[1] actually referenced a different specific example, but the point remains.
reddit.com/…/private_eye_used_an_actual_image_fro…
The image in that reddit thread is from “Stop the War” fake-peace, pro russian genocidal imperialism organization. And that tankie Corbyn roach has a senior position in that shit org.
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You find calling for peace talks concerning?
Calling for peace talks in this situation is like calling for marriage in couples counseling of a failing relationship, because married couples stay together longer.
Peace talks don’t create peace, they happen when peace becomes desirable because of battlefield and political realities. Arming Ukraine more can shorten the war. Calling for premature talks can only prolong it.
He is anti war. He has been anti war for decades and decades. He is authentic and consistent on this issue. I don’t agree how he is applying that principle on Russia Ukraine, but I respect his opinion.
And that’s democracy, which is what his new party is making promises of - it will be a bottom up, grass-root and democratic party. So I am not too concerned with Corbyn’s personal opinion.
(And like, the detractors are so fixated on this issue. They literally have nothing else to say, no other critics to offer. You mention Corbyn and immediately they are like “oH wHat aBoUt Russia-Ukraine” (a few years ago it was “oH bUt He iS an aNtiSemIte???”), as if that is the single most significant problem Britain is facing right now?? not housing, not NHS, not education, not the gutting of the wealth of the working class??? Talking about single issue voters. (sorry about the rant))
He is not anti-war, he is pro-russian genocidal imperialism.
He is a tankie, and when has the working class done well under regimes that tankies support?
Lol dude, your brian is melted. What are you even saying.
Because we have FPTP and this will further split the left vote and let Reform / Tories in.
Our number one priority should be to kill FPTP and make it so we don’t have governments only a minority of the voters wanted.
We know a Corbyn Labour party scares people to vote against Labour. He has a ceiling. There is a lot of country that subscribes to his views, but not enough to do more than strip those votes from Lab/Lib/SNP/Green/Plaid.
Reform are worse than Tories and I fear if they ever get power, they do a Trump. Damage the country and be hard to remove.
I’m just assuming this guy made his own party because the other options don’t actually fight for the working class.
If the party you support’s main goal is to “kill their enemies” or whatever, perhaps the best way to go about doing that would be to align itself with the working class.
This would intrinsically mean supporting policies that reduce the disparity in wealth.
I think all the left wing parties agree there is a problem with in equality. If the left splitters off to load into so many parties, it will lose. No matter if it makes up over half the electorate. FPTP is basically rigged against the left because the left struggle to compromise and unify.
They will at the very least need a pact with Polanski’s Greens. If Starmer continues down his current trajectory, I can see a similar exodus of Labour voters to these two to Tory voters’ exodus to Reform
If you go from Labour to Reform, your not of the Left. Or fooled. Guess will find out if the left is so split by election time and Reform splip in. I’m blame Corybn for that like I do for Boris’s win. That time it was by repelling people to the Tories. This time it would be vote splitting. Though I agree with a good chunk of what he says, he a political menace of the left.
Corbyn is good on Gaza, but he is terrible on literally everything else. He is a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well.
Wow I don’t know if I’ve ever come across anyone who holds all of those specific opinions. It’s genuinely interesting to me. I’d have expected “he’s a raging antisemite” instead of “good on Gaza”, given the rest of what you said
Or is it when you say “literally everything else” do you just mean “other foreign policy stuff”?
This commenter is just understandably misled by the UK media’s decades-long smear campaign. He is absolutely not “a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well”, if you take a look at his history of words and actions.
How is supporting the annexation of Crimea (just one example in context of Ukraine, there are many more) not open support for russian genocidal imperialism?
The fucker openly works with russian propaganda/intel services. This has nothing to do with the UK media.
www.google.com/search?q=Corbyn+support+Crimea+ann…
Yep as I expected, nothing about supporting the annexation or openly working with Russian propaganda/intel services. In fact what I’m seeing from googling that is many examples of him actually publicly condemning the Russian governments actions over the years, including the invasion of Ukraine. If he’s under Russian employ as you say, I’m very surprised they didn’t fire him years ago
But yeah you’re clearly someone who sees the Ukrainian government and NATO as perfect and could never do anything wrong and will continue to do so. So anyone who says even slightly different is worthy to be demonised by you, whether it’s actually true or not they even said anything like that. And before you accuse me of being a “Russia sympathiser” or whatever I completely believe Russia is the aggressor and that we should be supoorting Ukraine. Just not that Ukraine and NATO have been 100% good themselves
Like, for instance, it’s also funny that people can’t see that NATO are loving the invasion. It means they don’t have to all openly go to war with Russia to severely weaken it, something they’ve always wanted. They can just use Ukraine in a proxy war and allow the country and people to suffer all the hardships while the rest of NATO just pump Ukraine with war funding and the politicians in government in those countries get an easy win in popularity. Starmer is a great example of this, just about everything he’s done is unpopular and the UK population for the most part are at the very least disappointed in him. The only time he was really popular was when he was all nice to Zelenskyy after the terrible Trump meeting he went through. Which is exactly what Starmer should have done of course, but it just shows how much of an easy goal it is
Your starting point was a web search! Corbyn is a huge promoter or russian propaganda on NATO, his fake peacnik organization recognized Crimea as part of russia.
Ukraine and NATO have not been good? What does that even mean?
That’s a russian propaganda narrative. You don’t speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you’ve never even lived in Ukraine (Donbas or any other part).
Get the fuck out of here with your “NATO is at fault” and “proxy war” bullshit, you ignorant, lazy, dishonest, fake leftist! A real leftist would recognise that countries have the right to self determination.
Can you provide interviews or clips where he’s been a promoter of russian propaganda?
I don’t even need to do a web search to write out these points. Who would have thought that in a country being invaded by russia for 11 years out of its 34 years of independence, the media would report on Western leaders collaborating with russians?
Or do you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz who don’t have journalism?
You can look up the sources for the abovementioned points, it’s not difficult. Or assume I am lying, whatever works for you.
You’re making the statements, you bring the receipts.
There is that supremacist paternalism that I was talking about.
This is exactly why Western “leftists” are either useful idiots (E.g. Varoufakis, who otherwise has very good ideas and a modern leftist worldview) or collaborators with the russians (Corbyn).
Mate you either speak reason or shut up, I can literally say you’re Putin’s alt account, my words mean nothing without proof, and same with yours, so either add something of value or don’t say anything at all, tired of your copy pasted messages of no substance.
Keep telling yourself that.
You know I am right (even though you may not admit publicly). You’re too scared to look very clear and specific examples, because you know that Corbyn is a massive supporter of russian genocidal imperialism!
Oh no, I think you know I am right. We can go on and on and on, any fact-less statement you say I can turn back on you because no one is bringing any references so what I’m saying is just as valid. You can save us all the time waste and actually link your sources instead of acting like you’re too good for that.
Yeah, yeah.
You don’t even know the position of a politician you’re fanboying for.
Someone did check the examples I provided and they are all true:
feddit.uk/post/35181984/19647124
I told you that such matters are reported on in Ukrainian media and they have both editorial and financial incentives to be honest about these sort things.
My first interaction here has been to ask for sources on your claims, I don’t know where you got fanboyism, that’s basic argumentation, you make the argument and provide examples, others refute them with other examples.
I find it funny that in the end it was still someone else who came forward with links to articles, weird hill to die on for you to not just do it yourself, but thank you for linking to the person linking articles.
You don’t see how a bunch of Corbyn fanboys lying about easily verifyable facts would make someone from Ukraine less than willing to engage in a discussion in a diplomatic manner?
You may not be a Corbyn fanboy. To be honest it’s a bit difficult to track who is who in the threads for this post.
wow steady on my dude
I am just highlighting how this comes off as.
The gall to assume I am just making shit up because I hate daddy Corbyn. Not mention thinking that our Ukrainian-language media (and even english language media run by Ukrainian diaspora in places like Canada) lack integrity to validate such reporting.
Height of arrogance, racism even.
You have to be a troll my friend. That, or just unhinged and deep in the delusion and copium. Either way it’s been hilarious and very entertaining to see what you think counts as reasoned arguments come on and on. The using of racial slurs while accusing others of “racism” was the cherry on the cake (I’m also white by the way, like most Ukrainians)
You’re only saying this because you can’t address the well documented points I brought up.
Anyone reading my post can see the context.
How is he not a supporter of Russian gencidal imperialism? He openly supports the annexation of Crimea (and by extension the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars in occupied territories). He is also huge supporter of russian propaganda resources.
I am more aware of his tankie foreign policy views (I am not from the UK), but based on discussions with friends who do live there, his economic policies are also uninspired (nationalizations etc.) even if you are left leaning.
Repeating it doesn’t make it true. How are you not a supporter of Russian genocidal imperialism?
Yeah Skiluros, please tell us how you’re not a supporter yourself
It’s true, Corbyn worked with a RT, a russian propaganda service that’s managed by russian intel services.
Corbyn is one the largest promoter of russian propaganda narratives about “NATO is responsible for the invasion”.
Corbyn’s fake-peacenik organziation recognized Crimea as part of russia.
Even russians know it’s not true (about NATO), their sole goal is to manipulate ignorant, fake-leftists like yourself. You’re justing how ignorant you are.
It’s literally written in their key doctrinal text on foreign policy operations.
You don’t speak russian (or Ukrainian) and you’ve never lived in Ukraine or russia. You’re just a fake leftist who is in it for aesthetic reasons.
Ahh I see you are a Russian genocide supporter, you weren’t able to prove otherwise and us just saying words with no evidence is enough to prove our point that you are a supporter right? I mean I didn’t have to do a google search to know that about you, you’re famously a supporter of Russia
“he’s an antisemite” is sooo yesteryear, you need to keep up with the propaganda smear machine.
the only way komrad korbyn will get his authoritarian chum farage elected is by splitting the left vote. the most effective way to do that is to abuse the only issue his non-party has and have a show trial. i notice historians are not on the list of the invited.
and how will this help gazans? not in the slightest, but that was never the point and who really ever gave a damn about peace in gaza anyway?
Which issue? Redistribution of wealth by taxing billionaires? Taking utilities back into public ownership? Building council houses?
Skibidi rizz, this guy’s brain is broken from the internet.
Certainly not you lmao you voted for genocide. Stupid cunt. We should slice you like a ham starting from the toes and then make you eat a sandwich with the slices. Then make your eat your own balls.
Well this thread has taught me the anti-Corbyn people are completely unhinged