I wish this exposed tipping culture for what it is, but America is so deep in capitalism that you’ll hear more complaints against this.
Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 15:57
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It’s so fucking stupid
Just raise the prices by 20% and also pay the staff 20% more.
But fuck workers’ rights and living wages, right?
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 16:07
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Tipping is fucking stupid but it is the current system for how US waiters earn a living. So to fuck them over and not tip does nothing to change the system and only leaves them overworked with no money.
Think materially and tip your servers. Believe me they would like it to change too. It isn’t them that keeps the system in place. Big business has the money to lobby against our human and material needs.
The presence of a livable wage doesn’t affect any of those though?
The employer still pays FICA on tipped revenue, and paying for insurance has nothing to do with their wage
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 16:23
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Y’all living privileged idealogue navel-gazed lives can do what you want I guess. We here in the working class are tired, overworked, and are trying to survive the day.
radiofreebc@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 16:50
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Yes. People can do what they want. Tips are optional, and are for good service…not to subsidize owners. If you can’t afford to work in a restaurant, find something else to do for a living.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 16:55
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I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 90s. I refuse to support that corporation.
I just think that it’s on owners to pay their staff a living wage, or for staff to realize they’re not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can. If an owner can’t make that work, the business wasn’t strong enough to survive anyways.
I lived in Australia for a few years and think their system is far better. The only way our system is going to change is for people to reject it.
You’re more frustrated at people that don’t leave tips over the fact you are seen as less than a person by the owners that pay a pitiful wage. Look to the people that came before you, look up Mario Savio.
Former euro server here. Got a livable wage plus tips. Not the mandated kind, just the extras people would leave. That would net me 5 euros per hour above my livable wage.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 17:00
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This is generally false. Most waiters would see more consistent income with fewer instances of subjective nonsense like ideologues who don’t believe they have to follow the basic cultural rules of the place in which they visit. There is an exceptional subset of waiters that would make less for sure but they are in a minority.
I put livable wage in quotation marks because it wouldn’t actually be a livable wage. The pay would likely be 1-2x minimum wage which is still not livable in most places
Nope. It’s not my obligation to pay their wages directly. They can accept no tip, they can lobby for a living wage from their employer, or they can find a different job. I am okay with all of the above.
The only way change happens is through action, not just crying about it. If you want change, stop tipping.
During the Obamacare debate the Papa John’s CEO was upset that he would have to raise pizza prices a few cents to pay for the health insurance his workers need. Wealthy people are psychopaths.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Jun 17:11
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Tbf, while the system exists as it does, not tipping the workers only hurts the workers you supposedly support, their employers don’t care because they got theirs already and there’s a revolving door of people who need work bad enough when the worker gets fed up.
If you actually wanted to help those workers you’d have to entirely not support businesses that use the tipping model by “not going there” and only go to ones that don’t. Or you could go, but while there try and unionize servers, I suppose. But then when the workers strike for the thing you want you’ll still have to not cross the picket line so it’s the same in the end just more effective.
I practice what I preach btw, I only go to restaurants that don’t run off tips for the most part, and I tip when I do happen end up at one of those places. Sometimes I’ll tip even at places that don’t really “run off tips” but I want to help out a bit, like my local taco truck, I love them so much and don’t mind throwing them an extra $2 to show my appreciation, they’re not rich people it’s just a family trying to get by, with great prices no less.
To summarize: I don’t pass out info on unionizing, but I do support non-tipping businesses on average and still don’t fuck the workers over in a misguided attempt to hurt their boss when I do end up at a tipping place.
redlemace@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 16:04
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Tipping does not lead to better service. Arguably worse, They want you out asap to get the next tipper in the seat.
Also, can’t see why someone should pay a waiter more for bringing 5 steaks an 5 champagnes instead of 5 burgers and 5 soda’s. Kind of the same job and effort.
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 16:07
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Tipping does not lead to better service.
Spoken like someone who’s never experienced a French waiter.
Some of the best service I received was in Hong Kong, it was efficient and moderately rude
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 17:55
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Maybe better is not the right term but tipping definitely results in politer and usually faster service, there is no point in pretending it doesn’t have an impact.
And I’m against tipping culture, I’m just not in denial that it has an impact.
You people are so obsessed with attention and false happiness. The server doesn’t care about you they have to beg and grind to get to minimum wage. It’s one step above indentured servitude.
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 17:50
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Lol, you don’t know shit about me.
I definitely think we should pay a living wage to everyone and I’m working to pass that in my city & county, but that’s doesn’t mean I’m in denial about the faux friendliness that results from tipping culture or that the staff are more attentive (it’s much less common for staff to ask if you want more drinks without you having to get their attention in countries without tips than those with)
Do you tip before you get your meal? If not then they are just working to get you through faster, because a standard 15% every 30 min is better than hoping for 20% for a longer customer.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Jun 16:14
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restaurants are fighting back
Unless it’s by raising their prices by 15-20% and paying their employees a living wage, it ain’t gonna work. Tipping is moronic.
It’s not my fucking job to make sure your workers are paid appropriately. I came here for a fucking steak and some freedom fries. I paid for my fucking food and I just want to eat it in peace. Stop turning your problems into my problems.
But here’s the thing, it ain’t the owners’ problem either. They’re winning. The whole reason they do this is to externalize labor costs and do ad hoc market segmentation, except it’s based on customers kinda being dicks. When you don’t tip in the US, you have sided with the owners and have said to the server, “you are worth minimum wage.”
That US tipping culture doesn’t make any sense. Tipping should be optional when customers think they got wonderful service. In other words, it is up to the customer to decide and not part of the “menu”, neither should it be an expected component of the employment package, it should be a bonus not given by the employer.
Reumacosimo@feddit.it
on 20 Jun 17:29
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As far as tipping, Reynolds understands why some visitors aren’t leaving American-sized gratuities.
“They’ve already spent a lot of money to be here in the first place,” he said. “The tipping, I’m not too fussed about it.”
His advice? Embrace the local customs.
“I think if you do come here, you should just engage in the culture because I think you’ll have a better time.”
In what way tipping makes my stay better? American are so far up their ass they made tipping their culture. If you just include it into the price and then pay the waiter/waitress like human being then there won’t be any confusion.
Maybe this is the event that can spark change. If people aren’t tipping, so servers quit their jobs to go work somewhere with better base pay, owners will be left taking the hit.
I’m sure they’ll find some way to make the workers suffer instead, but this could be what’s needed to get rid of corporate “tip culture”.
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I wish this exposed tipping culture for what it is, but America is so deep in capitalism that you’ll hear more complaints against this.
It’s so fucking stupid
Just raise the prices by 20% and also pay the staff 20% more.
But fuck workers’ rights and living wages, right?
Tipping is fucking stupid but it is the current system for how US waiters earn a living. So to fuck them over and not tip does nothing to change the system and only leaves them overworked with no money.
Think materially and tip your servers. Believe me they would like it to change too. It isn’t them that keeps the system in place. Big business has the money to lobby against our human and material needs.
Servers don’t want the system to change as they make more money with tips than they would from a “livable wage”
Not once you consider healthcare, taxes, and social security.
The presence of a livable wage doesn’t affect any of those though?
The employer still pays FICA on tipped revenue, and paying for insurance has nothing to do with their wage
Y’all living privileged idealogue navel-gazed lives can do what you want I guess. We here in the working class are tired, overworked, and are trying to survive the day.
Yes. People can do what they want. Tips are optional, and are for good service…not to subsidize owners. If you can’t afford to work in a restaurant, find something else to do for a living.
Just go eat at McDonalds then.
I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 90s. I refuse to support that corporation.
I just think that it’s on owners to pay their staff a living wage, or for staff to realize they’re not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can. If an owner can’t make that work, the business wasn’t strong enough to survive anyways.
I lived in Australia for a few years and think their system is far better. The only way our system is going to change is for people to reject it.
You’re more frustrated at people that don’t leave tips over the fact you are seen as less than a person by the owners that pay a pitiful wage. Look to the people that came before you, look up Mario Savio.
Former euro server here. Got a livable wage plus tips. Not the mandated kind, just the extras people would leave. That would net me 5 euros per hour above my livable wage.
This is generally false. Most waiters would see more consistent income with fewer instances of subjective nonsense like ideologues who don’t believe they have to follow the basic cultural rules of the place in which they visit. There is an exceptional subset of waiters that would make less for sure but they are in a minority.
I put livable wage in quotation marks because it wouldn’t actually be a livable wage. The pay would likely be 1-2x minimum wage which is still not livable in most places
Nope. It’s not my obligation to pay their wages directly. They can accept no tip, they can lobby for a living wage from their employer, or they can find a different job. I am okay with all of the above.
The only way change happens is through action, not just crying about it. If you want change, stop tipping.
They wouldn’t need to raise prices that much.
During the Obamacare debate the Papa John’s CEO was upset that he would have to raise pizza prices a few cents to pay for the health insurance his workers need. Wealthy people are psychopaths.
For some reason I thought I remembered seeing an article about Papa John dying. Apparently I was mistaken.
Bummer…
But then what do the owners get?
/s
Tbf, while the system exists as it does, not tipping the workers only hurts the workers you supposedly support, their employers don’t care because they got theirs already and there’s a revolving door of people who need work bad enough when the worker gets fed up.
If you actually wanted to help those workers you’d have to entirely not support businesses that use the tipping model by “not going there” and only go to ones that don’t. Or you could go, but while there try and unionize servers, I suppose. But then when the workers strike for the thing you want you’ll still have to not cross the picket line so it’s the same in the end just more effective.
I practice what I preach btw, I only go to restaurants that don’t run off tips for the most part, and I tip when I do happen end up at one of those places. Sometimes I’ll tip even at places that don’t really “run off tips” but I want to help out a bit, like my local taco truck, I love them so much and don’t mind throwing them an extra $2 to show my appreciation, they’re not rich people it’s just a family trying to get by, with great prices no less.
To summarize: I don’t pass out info on unionizing, but I do support non-tipping businesses on average and still don’t fuck the workers over in a misguided attempt to hurt their boss when I do end up at a tipping place.
Tipping does not lead to better service. Arguably worse, They want you out asap to get the next tipper in the seat.
Also, can’t see why someone should pay a waiter more for bringing 5 steaks an 5 champagnes instead of 5 burgers and 5 soda’s. Kind of the same job and effort.
Spoken like someone who’s never experienced a French waiter.
French waiters are honest, which I prefer.
Some of the best service I received was in Hong Kong, it was efficient and moderately rude
Maybe better is not the right term but tipping definitely results in politer and usually faster service, there is no point in pretending it doesn’t have an impact.
And I’m against tipping culture, I’m just not in denial that it has an impact.
Best service I received was in Japan without tipping
if I remember well, in Japan tipping is easily seen as an insult
It absolutely is an insult. They see it as “you don’t think i work for someone who pays me enough, but I do.”
You people are so obsessed with attention and false happiness. The server doesn’t care about you they have to beg and grind to get to minimum wage. It’s one step above indentured servitude.
Lol, you don’t know shit about me.
I definitely think we should pay a living wage to everyone and I’m working to pass that in my city & county, but that’s doesn’t mean I’m in denial about the faux friendliness that results from tipping culture or that the staff are more attentive (it’s much less common for staff to ask if you want more drinks without you having to get their attention in countries without tips than those with)
Do you tip before you get your meal? If not then they are just working to get you through faster, because a standard 15% every 30 min is better than hoping for 20% for a longer customer.
Unless it’s by raising their prices by 15-20% and paying their employees a living wage, it ain’t gonna work. Tipping is moronic.
That’s essentially what they’re doing, but with a surcharge rather than just raising their menu because we love adding on tax and fees here in the US
It’s not my fucking job to make sure your workers are paid appropriately. I came here for a fucking steak and some freedom fries. I paid for my fucking food and I just want to eat it in peace. Stop turning your problems into my problems.
But here’s the thing, it ain’t the owners’ problem either. They’re winning. The whole reason they do this is to externalize labor costs and do ad hoc market segmentation, except it’s based on customers kinda being dicks. When you don’t tip in the US, you have sided with the owners and have said to the server, “you are worth minimum wage.”
Agitate the rest of the day. Tip at mealtime.
Wrong
The owners are the bad actors here. They enjoy increased margins in an environment where additional salary top ups are somehow the customer’s problem.
Pay your waitstaff you cheap fucks
That US tipping culture doesn’t make any sense. Tipping should be optional when customers think they got wonderful service. In other words, it is up to the customer to decide and not part of the “menu”, neither should it be an expected component of the employment package, it should be a bonus not given by the employer.
Tip is a con
In what way tipping makes my stay better? American are so far up their ass they made tipping their culture. If you just include it into the price and then pay the waiter/waitress like human being then there won’t be any confusion.
Maybe this is the event that can spark change. If people aren’t tipping, so servers quit their jobs to go work somewhere with better base pay, owners will be left taking the hit.
I’m sure they’ll find some way to make the workers suffer instead, but this could be what’s needed to get rid of corporate “tip culture”.