This shit happens in russia(former USSR) from WW2 if not earlier. How do you force ordinary people to kill other people? By making them scared of certainly loosing their life.
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
on 24 Feb 17:28
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Don’t think it’s unique to Russia, it’s been pretty common in most armies, even some Anarchistic ones.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world
on 24 Feb 13:35
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I’m really surprised those fuckers don’t get fragged.
The honorable tradition of fragging officers and rebelling as cohesive units certainly needs to develop in Russian society. Its relative absence tells me that anarchist-minded people are abroad or hiding - none of them are in the army.
The army, as things look, is composed of 3 main demographic groups:
a minority of professional soldiers loyal to Putin’s regime (they attack with actual equipment after meat waves have opened a gap in Ukrainian defenses, they also run the high-tech weapons)
simple and stupid blokes, often a bit enthusiastic about Putin’s regime, bribed with money or tricked to enlist
detainees and convicts promised freedom if they join the war, foreigners tricked to enlist, Ukrainians seized from occupied areas
The latter two groups get used as cannon fodder. About 30 000 per month.
All the groups are slowly dwindling in numbers. Loyal goons are increasibly dead, a military career looks less glorious if you hear of everyone who died. Society is running out of the really gullible, and even the really poor often prefer life in poverty to a high probability of death without ever seeing anything different. As for convicts, word has sufficiently spread in prisons that coming back is unlikely, so they’re volunteering less.
On this background, the possibility of a mobilization looms on horizon. But Putin fears giving weapons or ammo to randomly chosen people. They might rebel or his house of propaganda and cards might collapse.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
on 24 Feb 13:51
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Is it still called friendly fire at that point?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Feb 14:40
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Seems Russia’s military is starting to collapse in on itself, they ran through all the gung ho “Happy to be here, sir!” types in the first year of the war. Now they’re just sending chaff to use up ammunition before they send in what’s rest of their more experienced forces, if they still have any that is.
I recommend reading the article. It’s depressing, but clear.
These guys, mostly, were killed for refusing to go on suicide attacks. Some for retreating. Some for refusing other orders. Some, possibly, for simply existing in the wrong place. The unlucky ones, for failed desertion (I hope that lucky ones outnumbered them and deserted successfully).
Women and children, except for those who got caught on the wrong side of the front, fortunately, aren’t the typical casualties in a war with a static front. They get evacuated before the front crawls near. But they do get killed when glide bombs, missiles and drones are targeted at random buildings.
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This shit happens in russia(former USSR) from WW2 if not earlier. How do you force ordinary people to kill other people? By making them scared of certainly loosing their life.
Don’t think it’s unique to Russia, it’s been pretty common in most armies, even some Anarchistic ones.
I’m really surprised those fuckers don’t get fragged.
I bet a lot of them do.
there was a vid where russian soldiers were hacking their commander to death with an axe like it was 1799.
The honorable tradition of fragging officers and rebelling as cohesive units certainly needs to develop in Russian society. Its relative absence tells me that anarchist-minded people are abroad or hiding - none of them are in the army.
The army, as things look, is composed of 3 main demographic groups:
The latter two groups get used as cannon fodder. About 30 000 per month.
All the groups are slowly dwindling in numbers. Loyal goons are increasibly dead, a military career looks less glorious if you hear of everyone who died. Society is running out of the really gullible, and even the really poor often prefer life in poverty to a high probability of death without ever seeing anything different. As for convicts, word has sufficiently spread in prisons that coming back is unlikely, so they’re volunteering less.
On this background, the possibility of a mobilization looms on horizon. But Putin fears giving weapons or ammo to randomly chosen people. They might rebel or his house of propaganda and cards might collapse.
Is it still called friendly fire at that point?
Seems Russia’s military is starting to collapse in on itself, they ran through all the gung ho “Happy to be here, sir!” types in the first year of the war. Now they’re just sending chaff to use up ammunition before they send in what’s rest of their more experienced forces, if they still have any that is.
What were the soldiers executed for? Not raping Ukrainian women and children?
I recommend reading the article. It’s depressing, but clear.
These guys, mostly, were killed for refusing to go on suicide attacks. Some for retreating. Some for refusing other orders. Some, possibly, for simply existing in the wrong place. The unlucky ones, for failed desertion (I hope that lucky ones outnumbered them and deserted successfully).
Women and children, except for those who got caught on the wrong side of the front, fortunately, aren’t the typical casualties in a war with a static front. They get evacuated before the front crawls near. But they do get killed when glide bombs, missiles and drones are targeted at random buildings.