Israel will appear at the Hague to contest South Africa's genocide accusations
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from girlfreddy@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 2024 14:54
https://lemmy.ca/post/12504945
from girlfreddy@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 2024 14:54
https://lemmy.ca/post/12504945
South Africa on Friday launched a case for the ICJ stating that Israel was in breach of its obligations under the Genocide Convention and calling for a halt to its military operations in Gaza.
“The State of Israel will appear before the International Court of Justice at The Hague to dispel South Africa’s absurd blood libel,” spokesman Eylon Levy told an online briefing.
“We assure South Africa’s leaders, history will judge you, and it will judge you without mercy,” he added.
Levy said that Hamas bore full moral responsibility for the war and was “waging from inside and underneath hospitals, schools, mosques, homes and UN facilities”.
He added that South Africa was complicit in Hamas’ crimes against Israelis, without elaborating.
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Oh the irony
They intend on writing history, it’s meant to be a threat.
Every accusation is an admission.
If you don’t support Genocide against the Palestinians you’re basically Hamas already.
“He added that South Africa was complicit in Hamas’ crimes against Israelis, without elaborating.”
Idiot. Without elaborating.
On the plus side, Netanyahu 's government still doesn’t understand that this stopped working a while ago
They don’t believe the accusations they’re making, they’re just counting on 80 year old world leaders like Biden still falling for it.
Sadly, it seems to be working.
Now it’s on citizens to try and hold their elected officials accountable.
Unfortunately Americans don’t get much say in it due to the two party system. Regardless of who wins, the winner is going to support Israels genocide.
Which is going to depress turnout, and that helps Republicans become presidents more than anything else.
Biden would rather support genocide than prevent trump from taking office.
So it stopped working a while ago but sadly it seems to be working?
And it’s up to people to vote, but voting doesn’t work because two party system.
An unrelated paper, but this can still be used to estimate how old are world leaders now: <img alt="world leaders’ age chart" src="https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/bc6eb4b2-91a3-495e-a1d0-8d2baa42e48c.png">
So this statement may be correct, e.g. if we draw a line at 60 and all the leaders that are older fall for it while all the younger don’t, it will be more than half of the leaders that fall for it.
But really, I’d rather see the median age of state governments of countries, because nothing is usually decided by a leader alone.
Just needs some tiny electoral reforms and then it’ll stop working
“no u” -Israel
Same as Trump. Or debates on Fox News. Classic angry right-wing yelling lol.
The more Israel speaks, the deeper the hole gets.
“…but they’re God’s chosen people! surely they would never…”
Jews maybe. But if Israelies specifically are Gods chosen people then god fucked up.
“they’re coming right for us, Ned!”
-Israel, probably
Wow, something to be said for someone with such a hateful response to an accusation, almost as if they’re trying to prevent discussion by labelling any potential questioning of tactics as racist to be “judged harshly by the world”. Gaslighting and projecting on full display here.
The tactics lose power when you see and understand them. Spread knowledge.
Not almost. Netanyahu has spent the last two decades getting a definition of Anti-Semitism that includes criticism of the government of Israel put in place all over the world. He’s been depressingly successful. There’s artists and academics losing government funding just for criticizing the Israeli government in social media.
Zionists are the new Nazis.
They don’t argue in good-faith and they know it.
When South Africa accuses you of genocide, you know you fucked up.
How come?
He means Apartheid
That one went so far that south Africa is the only country to voluntarily unilateraly give up its nuclear arsenal when a minority risked getting to power
Who were the minority?
Yeah, it’s actually backwards. The minority was in power and was at risk of losing it.
Oh no the white Afrikaaners did lose power. The ANC came to power in 1994. The other commentators post doesn’t make sense for that reason.
You’re right that I inverted it numerically
Though, that’s a communication thing. White people are a minority worldwide but never referred to as such. I used the standard way to refer to the different races even though that is statistically incorrect in the hope of it being more directly obvious what I meant
The marginalised and persecuted majority*
Though I’m fucking glad they disarmed, I wouldn’t trust the ANC to find it’s way out of a glass room covered with doors, never mind look after nukes. It’s bad enough the state power utility has a nuclear reactor.
What I don’t get is, from all the countries that could have done this (i.e. accuse Israel of genocide in The Hague), why South Africa? Am I out of the loop? Is there a reason they came forward?
Like, I see the irony with genocide and apartheid and so on, I just wonder why South Africa even cares this much about Gaza/Israel (I mean we all do, but no one did what they did, not even Turkey).
A. The ANC really needs some good press.
B. They’re fairly independent in the global stage but lean towards Russia/China/India. So they may be doing this partially to egg the US’ face.
C. They have personal experience with Apartheid.
Caught me genociding on Camera. “Wasn’t me”
This guy’s response is antisemitism buzzword bingo.
Like, seriously, blood libel?
I haven’t read the legal documents, but I’m going to go out on a limb and assume they don’t mention Israel poisoning Palestinian genes with interbreeding.
I chuckled but blood libel has a specific meaning. Throughout history there was a nasty lie that kept getting brought back. It accused Jews of commiting blood sacrifices of Christians. Most recently by Nazis.
So he is putting any accusation of war crimes on the same level as Nazi propaganda about Jews.
If in the next few weeks you hear of an agreement between Germany and Israel to allow the IDF use of an airforce base within reach of The Hague, it will have to do with this.
absolutely wild timeline.
Israel to The Hague: “Nuh-uh.”
South Africa used to be an apartheid state so if they're callling you out...
It’s on its way back to it. youtu.be/Iiny1GrfhYM?si=JfrWKyZBT5fUneA2
A shitty government is not necessarily an Apartheid government. Now if you want to make the case that they simply transitioned to an oligarchy…
Maybe, I imagine it will head that direction only if the EFF dethrone the ANC. They’re radicals and are openly racist.
EFF shouldn’t make racist statements.
Tell me you’re a terrorist without telling me you’re a terrorist.
Starting the defense with a menace … anyway, let’s see who is judged by history first
The good thing about the history judgement is, it doesn’t matter much how they dance around laws technicalities and definitions of words.
If this fails to have any effect, I wonder how many more local wars will be started soon on the ground of international law becoming some kind of joke as of lately
Isn’t that how WW2 started? Germany basically broke the Versailles Treaty and kept getting away with it so just kept going.
Warfare’s back in style, just in time for the climate to really start straining resources.
Israel is going to blame the US for enabling them
Presumably the US will agree, given that’s the line they take with Israel historically.
*in The Hague
It’s likely shortened from “At The Hague court”, so it works.
The ANC government are a bunch of corrupt tools who choose things when it fits them. They don’t like the west but like the western lifestyles with looted money.
It seems strange that they side with Russia invading Ukraine but choose to show support for Palestine in a “similar” situation. I am also not sold that the ANC don’t have deeper ties with terrorist organisations such as Hamas.
Meen while they spend all this effort on other countries issues when South Africa has one of the highest murder rates in the world. I think last year was like 29 000. Would love it if they could spend this amount of effort to sort out their own house.
Source: I am South African.
Israel should answer for any crimes certainly.
How about we get Hamas to answer some questions about Oct 7 in the Hague too?
Sure. If any are left alive after the IDF demolishes Gaza to the ground.
Ah downvotes for wanting both sides to be accountable. Good to see predictable integrity from the pro Hamas crowd
I honestly can’t say I’ve seen any pro Hamas crowd on lemmy. Anti Israel, but that’s not the same thing.
Wish I could say the same thing 😞
I’m highly doubtful they would send an official representative to the Hague Court. Even sending somebody to say you’re wrong, implicitly acknowledges the court has jurisdiction over you.