TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca
on 15 Jun 20:51
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Holy shit that must’ve been absolutely horrifying.
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
on 15 Jun 23:33
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Someone linked a video. The person looks like they believed they were safe. Hopefully they never realized and died immediately.
USSEthernet@startrek.website
on 16 Jun 01:43
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Another article that I read said that when they got down to her the nurse that treated her said she was still alive with a low heartbeat and slow breathing…
That doesn’t mean conscious. I’d imagine maybe a confused moment of “shouldn’t that pull me up about now?” except the impact and loss of consciousness prior to the complete thought.
I did a 100ft free fall into a net once. When the adrenaline is going, you have plenty of time to think about it. Mathematically, I know the drop took about 2.5 seconds, but it felt like a full two minutes. My perception of it was 30 seconds of “Wow, this view is really nice” and 90 seconds of “What the fuck? Where’s the net? Why am I still falling? What the fuck?!”
So, yeah, she probably had plenty of time to panic.
Hopefully they never even knew. Just assumed the catch would come until it suddenly didn’t and they never noticed.
USSEthernet@startrek.website
on 16 Jun 01:43
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Another article that I read said that when they got down to her the nurse that treated her said she was still alive with a low heartbeat and slow breathing…
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 15 Jun 20:54
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Wtf kind of place would do that
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 21:16
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WTF kind of person would decide to go rope jumping without asking whether or not a rope should be attached to them?
Seriously! I get if you are a rookie bungee jumper and don’t know how to properly strap the harness to your body. But I can’t imagine a person not noticing that there is no rope/bungee attached to them before being picked up and thrown airplane-style by two people. I even get that there are two people working the thing and both expecting the other to have checked the rope. But how can the lady not know that a rope wasn’t connected to her?
In this instance the instructors pick you up, run you to the edge, and throw you off. Because, allegedly, many people wouldn’t jump out far enough on their own.
Imo the problem is going to a place where this is required in the first place, but it’s not the victim’s fault they trusted the people running it to attach the safety equipment properly. The people running it do ostensibly have a vested interest in not killing their clientele.
The cord probably attaches to the back of the harness, so it would have been difficult for her to see that it wasn’t attached.
Yeah I’m not going to blame the victim here either. With two people on the job both of them should have been doing safety checks. Not just “assuming the other guy did it.”
I’m too scared of equipment failure to jump and would be paranoid enough to make sure I feel the right of the rope.
Mind you I’ve hung 3 stories up with proper gear down a building in my blue collar work days. We had two separate safety lines and OSHA. Still never again.
I accidentally saw the video. Because of the type of jump, they don't trust people to get far enough away from the bridge on their own, so they pick the person up, hold them at shoulder height, trot forward a couple of paces, and throw the person off. And they did that, they just ... left the bungee rope on the ground to their left and threw her off the bridge. No one even said anything until just after she'd been thrown :(
Instead of being a matter of “trust”, the article states she asked for it.
The young woman, who aspired to become a physical education teacher, had asked to be launched from the bridge airplane-style, with two instructors hoisting her above their shoulders as she spread out her arms.
Rather than the cord being “left” on the ground, the article states
The instructors are wearing harnesses that appear to be attached to a security rope.
To the contrary that no one said anything until after, the article states
an onlooker screams at the instructors to attach her to a cord.
Edited to add, if someone wants to explain to me what social faux pas I have committed I’d appreciate it, because I’m out of the loop here.
I didn’t write the article, I’m just commenting on what it says.
I did not know that she asked for it; I was working off several comments like this:
That type of "jump" uses a swinging action rather than elastic rope to break your fall but is still heavily dependent on the idiots working the attraction to tie it to you.
Done correctly, you need to be carrying forward momentum so they toss you rather than trust you to jump outwards enough.
It was invented by rock climbers. Different from bungee.
While I'm going off just the way things sound (because I don't speak Portuguese) that video does not appear to have anyone particularly concerned until just after she was thrown [I admit I stopped watching just after they threw her off, when the camera focused on the rope on the ground and it was apparent what had happened).
I'm not sure how the fact that the instructors are wearing harnesses is relevant? The woman's harness/rope/whatever was still clearly not connected to her, and is still on the ground in the video.
I have not seen the video. I am just remarking on what the article says compared to your comment. Perhaps the rope in the video that you see is the one attached to the instructors mentioned in the article. Or, the article is wrong. Again, just remarking on differences between your account and the article’s reporting.
I’m not particularly interested in watching a video of a woman being thrown to her death.
I just read the article, then read the comments, and noticed differences. I thought it was worth mentioning cause I found that they kinda directly conflicted. I don’t really know where the hostility is coming from here.
Edited to add, if someone wants to explain to me what social faux pas I have committed I’d appreciate it, because I’m out of the loop here.
Legianus@programming.dev
on 16 Jun 04:23
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I would say it is less a social faux pas and more so a case of not applying scientific method/using the internet wrong.
You have an article of some sort, you also have a video that shows the ocurrance from three different viewpoints (I.e. recordings of ppl.).
However, you didn’t verify the article, blindly trusted it, and used it right away to criticise somebody else’s statements.
You don’t have to watch the video if you don’t want, but then you shouldn’t either make statements you cannot be entirely sure of.
This also does not only apply to this case, but generally. Everyone can write a book, Wikipedia article, article, etc. Best case is either checking the base source or multiple sources to see if they agree or something that has been reviewed by multiple ppl./experts. Otherwise, never trust it fully. Also don’t trust any LLM unless you do the same. Latter is a side note.
Edit: also, I am not saying you are entirely wrong with your statements, as I cannot verify them myself; I don’t speak Portuguese. Alas, most of the people think you are (also by itself not entirely reliable) and it does indeed from the video seem like both the article and you are wrong.
I didn’t blindly trust the article or intend to criticize anyone. I read an article, then the comments of that article, and saw things that conflicted. I thought those things were pretty key details to the story of how things unfolded, so I thought they were worth bringing up for discussion.
How can I do that in the future without coming across as criticizing?
For this case specifically? I would have not commented without watching the video as well. And, again, if you don’t want to, completely fine, but then you are missing vital information in this case. Not having done so, and only having relied on the article as your only source, does mean you did 100% and thus blindly trust it, though, by definition.
That aside, pointing out differences is, generally, fine as you did it - I think. Also remember that on the internet sometimes you get downvoted randomly and even for saying true things. Has happend to me, believe me.
Edit: in my opinion it is always best to take everything, also people tell you with a grain of salt. Especially if you hear contrary information. Don’t go, “I read it like this in an article and they said this, they must be wrong”, but approach it more like “oh, maybe I haven’t got the full picture or I am wrong, or they are wrong, but I don’t know yet.”
I really wish you would not keep saying I blindly trusted the article. In another comment chain I flat out said the article may be wrong. The point of me bringing up the differences was to discuss them. It’s very frustrating to be told what I do and do not believe.
Anyway, the downvotes aren’t the part that bothered me as I know they generally get piled on. I was more bothered by the strange aggression I perceived.
Thank you for taking the time to try and explain at least.
I am not telling you what to believe and that was not my intention, if that seemed to be the case then I am sorry. Although, regardless of what you believe, it seemed like you 100 % believed the article and argued for it (and against other commenters). Your approach was too direct then I guess, I also misunderstood your intention.
In comments/writing it is/can be really hard to be nuanced. As seen from our above misunderstanding even. I guess starting of your comment with something alike “The article seems to contradict your statement in these points… What do you make of this?” Would have made your openness to discuss clear right away. Otherwise it came of as directly opposing.
I will take your word from it and continue to refrain from watching a video of a woman being plunged to her death. Nothing about that sounds like worth watching, the article alone was hard enough to read.
Regarding the social faux pas, the tone of your comment could be taken as condescending. The formal phrasing and use of quotation marks.
That, combined with the fact that you were apparently wrong according to the video (I don’t know, I’m not watching it either), seems to have turned the crowd against you.
Thanks for trying to explain but I’m still confused tbh. I wasn’t making claims of what did or didn’t happen, I was making claims of what the article said. Which was true. So I don’t know how I can be said to be wrong. But I recognize this is probably a me thing, given the downvotes.
LePoisson@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 16:12
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Edited to add, if someone wants to explain to me what social faux pas I have committed I’d appreciate it, because I’m out of the loop here.
Eh, I wouldn’t worry about your imaginary internet points and the opinions of lemmy users that much.
Probably just haters gonna hate and I’d have to watch the video to see if you’re right/wrong, I don’t think it matters though so I’m not going to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not worried about the downvotes, I’m more caught out by the aggression I perceived. The downvotes just make me feel as though others consider the aggression warranted, and I don’t understand why.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 16:34
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…the…the woman’s rope is left on the ground. The one who fell. Her rope. What the holy shit do the instructor ropes have to do with anything?
The commenter said that the video shows the woman’s rope on the ground. The article makes no mention of that, but does mention a rope visible that is attached to the instructors.
I have not seen the video. The commenter or the article could be wrong, but it was a difference that felt worth mentioning for discussion.
Damn, that 2nd point of view sounds like the woman filming makes some remark but doesn’t shout out. It’s like a few people noticed the problem but nobody wants to be the one to call out. This is the kind of stupid shit I’d do in a dream.
According to the YouTube captions, the person in the first clip says, “Gente! Gente, acorda a corda, velho!”, which is, “Guys! Guys, wake up the rope, man!”
The person in the second clip says, “Ai, meu Deus do ćeu!”, which is apparently just, “Oh my God” – going by tone, I wouldn’t say the second person had noticed the issue, but it sounded like the first one did and was in disbelief.
There seems to be a miss translation on the first saying.
What she says translate to " Hey!! Hey!! (Watch out) the rope, mate".
“Acorda” translates tô “wakeup”.
“A corda” translates to someone pointing to the substantive “hope”.
But they both sound the same without a context.
Furthermore, she indeed seems to realize that something was working at that moment.
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Holy shit that must’ve been absolutely horrifying.
Someone linked a video. The person looks like they believed they were safe. Hopefully they never realized and died immediately.
Another article that I read said that when they got down to her the nurse that treated her said she was still alive with a low heartbeat and slow breathing…
That doesn’t mean conscious. I’d imagine maybe a confused moment of “shouldn’t that pull me up about now?” except the impact and loss of consciousness prior to the complete thought.
I did a 100ft free fall into a net once. When the adrenaline is going, you have plenty of time to think about it. Mathematically, I know the drop took about 2.5 seconds, but it felt like a full two minutes. My perception of it was 30 seconds of “Wow, this view is really nice” and 90 seconds of “What the fuck? Where’s the net? Why am I still falling? What the fuck?!”
So, yeah, she probably had plenty of time to panic.
Hopefully they never even knew. Just assumed the catch would come until it suddenly didn’t and they never noticed.
Another article that I read said that when they got down to her the nurse that treated her said she was still alive with a low heartbeat and slow breathing…
You said.
Wtf kind of place would do that
WTF kind of person would decide to go rope jumping without asking whether or not a rope should be attached to them?
Seriously! I get if you are a rookie bungee jumper and don’t know how to properly strap the harness to your body. But I can’t imagine a person not noticing that there is no rope/bungee attached to them before being picked up and thrown airplane-style by two people. I even get that there are two people working the thing and both expecting the other to have checked the rope. But how can the lady not know that a rope wasn’t connected to her?
In this instance the instructors pick you up, run you to the edge, and throw you off. Because, allegedly, many people wouldn’t jump out far enough on their own.
Imo the problem is going to a place where this is required in the first place, but it’s not the victim’s fault they trusted the people running it to attach the safety equipment properly. The people running it do ostensibly have a vested interest in not killing their clientele.
The cord probably attaches to the back of the harness, so it would have been difficult for her to see that it wasn’t attached.
Yeah I’m not going to blame the victim here either. With two people on the job both of them should have been doing safety checks. Not just “assuming the other guy did it.”
I’m too scared of equipment failure to jump and would be paranoid enough to make sure I feel the right of the rope.
Mind you I’ve hung 3 stories up with proper gear down a building in my blue collar work days. We had two separate safety lines and OSHA. Still never again.
I accidentally saw the video. Because of the type of jump, they don't trust people to get far enough away from the bridge on their own, so they pick the person up, hold them at shoulder height, trot forward a couple of paces, and throw the person off. And they did that, they just ... left the bungee rope on the ground to their left and threw her off the bridge. No one even said anything until just after she'd been thrown :(
The article contests some of your details.
Instead of being a matter of “trust”, the article states she asked for it.
Rather than the cord being “left” on the ground, the article states
To the contrary that no one said anything until after, the article states
Edited to add, if someone wants to explain to me what social faux pas I have committed I’d appreciate it, because I’m out of the loop here.
I didn’t write the article, I’m just commenting on what it says.
I did not know that she asked for it; I was working off several comments like this:
While I'm going off just the way things sound (because I don't speak Portuguese) that video does not appear to have anyone particularly concerned until just after she was thrown [I admit I stopped watching just after they threw her off, when the camera focused on the rope on the ground and it was apparent what had happened).
I'm not sure how the fact that the instructors are wearing harnesses is relevant? The woman's harness/rope/whatever was still clearly not connected to her, and is still on the ground in the video.
I have not seen the video. I am just remarking on what the article says compared to your comment. Perhaps the rope in the video that you see is the one attached to the instructors mentioned in the article. Or, the article is wrong. Again, just remarking on differences between your account and the article’s reporting.
The rope in the video (available in the comment link above) is very clearly not linked to one of the instructors.
I watched the video.
Whoever is reporting that is wrong, and you’re wrong in turn for repeating it.
Go on. Watch the video. See how wrong you are.
I’m not particularly interested in watching a video of a woman being thrown to her death.
I just read the article, then read the comments, and noticed differences. I thought it was worth mentioning cause I found that they kinda directly conflicted. I don’t really know where the hostility is coming from here.
Edited to add, if someone wants to explain to me what social faux pas I have committed I’d appreciate it, because I’m out of the loop here.
I would say it is less a social faux pas and more so a case of not applying scientific method/using the internet wrong.
You have an article of some sort, you also have a video that shows the ocurrance from three different viewpoints (I.e. recordings of ppl.).
However, you didn’t verify the article, blindly trusted it, and used it right away to criticise somebody else’s statements.
You don’t have to watch the video if you don’t want, but then you shouldn’t either make statements you cannot be entirely sure of.
This also does not only apply to this case, but generally. Everyone can write a book, Wikipedia article, article, etc. Best case is either checking the base source or multiple sources to see if they agree or something that has been reviewed by multiple ppl./experts. Otherwise, never trust it fully. Also don’t trust any LLM unless you do the same. Latter is a side note.
Edit: also, I am not saying you are entirely wrong with your statements, as I cannot verify them myself; I don’t speak Portuguese. Alas, most of the people think you are (also by itself not entirely reliable) and it does indeed from the video seem like both the article and you are wrong.
I didn’t blindly trust the article or intend to criticize anyone. I read an article, then the comments of that article, and saw things that conflicted. I thought those things were pretty key details to the story of how things unfolded, so I thought they were worth bringing up for discussion.
How can I do that in the future without coming across as criticizing?
For this case specifically? I would have not commented without watching the video as well. And, again, if you don’t want to, completely fine, but then you are missing vital information in this case. Not having done so, and only having relied on the article as your only source, does mean you did 100% and thus blindly trust it, though, by definition.
That aside, pointing out differences is, generally, fine as you did it - I think. Also remember that on the internet sometimes you get downvoted randomly and even for saying true things. Has happend to me, believe me.
Edit: in my opinion it is always best to take everything, also people tell you with a grain of salt. Especially if you hear contrary information. Don’t go, “I read it like this in an article and they said this, they must be wrong”, but approach it more like “oh, maybe I haven’t got the full picture or I am wrong, or they are wrong, but I don’t know yet.”
I really wish you would not keep saying I blindly trusted the article. In another comment chain I flat out said the article may be wrong. The point of me bringing up the differences was to discuss them. It’s very frustrating to be told what I do and do not believe.
Anyway, the downvotes aren’t the part that bothered me as I know they generally get piled on. I was more bothered by the strange aggression I perceived.
Thank you for taking the time to try and explain at least.
I am not telling you what to believe and that was not my intention, if that seemed to be the case then I am sorry. Although, regardless of what you believe, it seemed like you 100 % believed the article and argued for it (and against other commenters). Your approach was too direct then I guess, I also misunderstood your intention.
In comments/writing it is/can be really hard to be nuanced. As seen from our above misunderstanding even. I guess starting of your comment with something alike “The article seems to contradict your statement in these points… What do you make of this?” Would have made your openness to discuss clear right away. Otherwise it came of as directly opposing.
It’s really not that difficult a watch. Not as bad as the ones where the person is walking on the edge of a skyscraper and slips.
I will take your word from it and continue to refrain from watching a video of a woman being plunged to her death. Nothing about that sounds like worth watching, the article alone was hard enough to read.
Regarding the social faux pas, the tone of your comment could be taken as condescending. The formal phrasing and use of quotation marks.
That, combined with the fact that you were apparently wrong according to the video (I don’t know, I’m not watching it either), seems to have turned the crowd against you.
Thanks for trying to explain but I’m still confused tbh. I wasn’t making claims of what did or didn’t happen, I was making claims of what the article said. Which was true. So I don’t know how I can be said to be wrong. But I recognize this is probably a me thing, given the downvotes.
It’s not unreasonable for someone to assume you are making claims about what happened via citing the article.
It’s not that. It’s just a basic lack of reading comprehension on your part.
What did I not comprehend?
Eh, I wouldn’t worry about your imaginary internet points and the opinions of lemmy users that much.
Probably just haters gonna hate and I’d have to watch the video to see if you’re right/wrong, I don’t think it matters though so I’m not going to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not worried about the downvotes, I’m more caught out by the aggression I perceived. The downvotes just make me feel as though others consider the aggression warranted, and I don’t understand why.
…the…the woman’s rope is left on the ground. The one who fell. Her rope. What the holy shit do the instructor ropes have to do with anything?
The commenter said that the video shows the woman’s rope on the ground. The article makes no mention of that, but does mention a rope visible that is attached to the instructors.
I have not seen the video. The commenter or the article could be wrong, but it was a difference that felt worth mentioning for discussion.
An unlicensed place
This is not a good place for job inertia, clearly.
The article says none of them remembers or can say who was responsible. All 3 are arrested on manslaughter charges.
The explanation reeks of bored, routine job inertia. That’s horrifying.
I came across this on youtube
www.youtube.com/shorts/kQaXGHWfzA0
wtaf
CW: It’s a video of the incident.
Not graphic but still…
“1, 2, thrYEET”
…
“Wait a sec…”
That was mundanely horrific.
By that I mean it was mundane until the realization of what was wrong.
Everybody was calm. Everybody was having a good time. Everybody was doing their role.
That is, until the realization occurs.
Someone missed a step. Someone didn’t do a final safety check. Three people just threw a woman off a cliff.
And the rope was still coiled on the ground.
That’s gonna haunt me. I really wish I didn’t watch that.
Damn, that 2nd point of view sounds like the woman filming makes some remark but doesn’t shout out. It’s like a few people noticed the problem but nobody wants to be the one to call out. This is the kind of stupid shit I’d do in a dream.
According to the YouTube captions, the person in the first clip says, “Gente! Gente,
acordaa corda, velho!”, which is, “Guys! Guys,wake upthe rope, man!”The person in the second clip says, “Ai, meu Deus do ćeu!”, which is apparently just, “Oh my God” – going by tone, I wouldn’t say the second person had noticed the issue, but it sounded like the first one did and was in disbelief.
There seems to be a miss translation on the first saying. What she says translate to " Hey!! Hey!! (Watch out) the rope, mate". “Acorda” translates tô “wakeup”. “A corda” translates to someone pointing to the substantive “hope”. But they both sound the same without a context.
Furthermore, she indeed seems to realize that something was working at that moment.
Thanks! I did wonder whether it might be a noun that was a cognate of “cord” (as in rope, cable, string), but I don’t speak a word of Portuguese.
Did you mean “rope”?
Holy fuck, incompetent pieces of shits!!!
#MiNahDoDis
Ooh!!! Me next! Pick me!
Come on, man. Decorum.
Maybe it’s time humans stop doing pointless dangerous shit.
So resign themselves to being productive drones?
No need to be productive, just recognize that jumping off a bridge to get an adrenaline high isn’t that different from snorting ketamine
Ah yes. The only other alternative to not doing extremely dangerous things is to be a drone.
Bungee jumping is not dangerous, though.
This isn’t bungie jumping. This is someone tied to a rope and swinging off an abandoned bridge.
It is if some cunt forgets to attach you…like here.
Like drinking from plastic bottles that kills more people than Bungie jumping?
Yes to both.
drinking water is not pointless.
Oh my god! That’s horrifying.
The video was pretty disturbing. So many people standing around yet no one noticed till right after she was thrown