shininghero@pawb.social
on 22 Jul 13:29
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Amazing idea, but if the wiring in that second picture is anywhere near commonplace, you’re going to want to put a bit more budget into power grid maintenance. That rats nest of cabling is bad enough from a low voltage IT perspective, I can only how terrifying that would be for HV engineers.
Charging the battery for a moped is not nearly as demanding as charging the battery for a car.
I’m not entirely sure, but I believe that Vietnam is one of those countries where most people get around on a moped, and also one of those countries that has already been shifting towards electrifying their moped fleet. If that modal share doesn’t change they might not need major infrastructural investment in order to strengthen the grid.
Edit: Battery swapping stations are also quite common for mopeds in countries like Taiwan. Those can be trickle charged rather than fast-charged.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online
on 22 Jul 15:04
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it is that kind of country, this is going to rapidly change the country for the better when the barn goes into effect.
The exhaust and noise of engines is pretty rough in cities and towns there, which is common in Asia.
but for a lot of countries I visited, after they transitioned to electric mopeds, it’s so much more pleasant to walk around, shop, and live.
What? You didn’t add 73,250 different disclaimers and qualifiers to your internet comment to make sure that your opinion includes all possible sets it applies to and none of the ones it doesn’t? How problematic of you.
edit: to the person who had a problem with this, you are part of the problem.
Is your commute>60 miles? If so, then you’re only using the scooter to get to the train station. If not, there’s VN scooters for <2K that can do that in an hour, and chinese scooters that are even faster.
My commute includes interstate travel, unless I want to make my commute even longer. Escooters and Ebikes are non-starters. Not even taking into account the assortment of tools I have to carry with me for service calls.
All I'm getting at is the comment that I originally replied to "Ebikes and electric scooters should be the transportation" simply isn't compatible with a whole lot of people's situations, not just mine.
It’s far less horrible than it looks, a lot of it is slack for repairs and re-routing. You see this across much of the world where they can’t afford utility boxes under every post.
This is a policy which will hit the poor first and hardest. That’s contrary to all realistic and beneficial climate action. How about banning cruise ships docking at ports in the country?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
on 22 Jul 19:21
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I don’t know enough about Vietnam to speak to the transportation options there but in most parts of the world there are good low-carbon alternatives now. E-bicycles in particular are an affordable transit revolution that should be affordable to anyone who can afford a motorbike.
People who burn fossil fuels are not the poorest of the poor. The real poor are the ones who will suffer and die if we don’t get off of fossil fuels immediately.
I would personally go a lot further than this narrow policy but given the current emergency I can’t really be critical of any move in the right direction.
I think you have no idea how polluting motorbikes are in the 3rd world. And if any are still 2 stroke, yikes. As with any electric vehicles, there is a up front cost but the lower maintenance, longevity, and electricity instead of gas is much cheaper. And we’re talking scooters, the price Delta is a lot lower than for cars.
I promise the vast majority of citizens will actually benefit from the lowered cost of powering motorbikes and scooters.
HootinNHollerin@slrpnk.net
on 22 Jul 18:54
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When I lived there 6-7 years ago many people didn’t even stop at red lights. It wasn’t uncommon to see someone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet. It will be a while before any policy is actually followed
It wasn’t uncommon to see someone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet
So you’re saying that people there are actually trying and making an effort to do the right thing instead of getting all bent out of shape that head protection makes them “less masculine”? I say the country has more hope than the US for lasting, effective change in policy and lifestyle.
HootinNHollerin@slrpnk.net
on 22 Jul 23:40
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Didn’t take long for someone to make this about the US lol
Haha, not sure which part of Vietnam you visited, but I’ve been traveling to Vietnam on and off for at least 30 years. Even back then, I never saw anyone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet — most people simply didn’t wear any helmet at all.
HootinNHollerin@slrpnk.net
on 23 Jul 11:28
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For the pots, all over Ho chi Minh to not get a ticket when word is out at the police are ticketing for no helmet. Which is why i say it will be a while before any policy like this is actually followed, just like the red lights which are still not followed.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jul 03:01
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Amazing idea, but if the wiring in that second picture is anywhere near commonplace, you’re going to want to put a bit more budget into power grid maintenance. That rats nest of cabling is bad enough from a low voltage IT perspective, I can only how terrifying that would be for HV engineers.
Charging the battery for a moped is not nearly as demanding as charging the battery for a car.
I’m not entirely sure, but I believe that Vietnam is one of those countries where most people get around on a moped, and also one of those countries that has already been shifting towards electrifying their moped fleet. If that modal share doesn’t change they might not need major infrastructural investment in order to strengthen the grid.
Edit: Battery swapping stations are also quite common for mopeds in countries like Taiwan. Those can be trickle charged rather than fast-charged.
it is that kind of country, this is going to rapidly change the country for the better when the barn goes into effect.
The exhaust and noise of engines is pretty rough in cities and towns there, which is common in Asia.
but for a lot of countries I visited, after they transitioned to electric mopeds, it’s so much more pleasant to walk around, shop, and live.
It really is incredible how much less power you need for lower weight. Ebikes and electric scooters should be the transportation.
Neither an ebike nor an electric scooter would get me to work.
Hey look it’s the “it doesn’t work in 1000% of cases” guy.
What? You didn’t add 73,250 different disclaimers and qualifiers to your internet comment to make sure that your opinion includes all possible sets it applies to and none of the ones it doesn’t? How problematic of you.
edit: to the person who had a problem with this, you are part of the problem.
Is your commute>60 miles? If so, then you’re only using the scooter to get to the train station. If not, there’s VN scooters for <2K that can do that in an hour, and chinese scooters that are even faster.
My commute includes interstate travel, unless I want to make my commute even longer. Escooters and Ebikes are non-starters. Not even taking into account the assortment of tools I have to carry with me for service calls.
All I'm getting at is the comment that I originally replied to "Ebikes and electric scooters should be the transportation" simply isn't compatible with a whole lot of people's situations, not just mine.
Maybe change your situation.
After a week in Vietnam, you wont be able to look at anyone who says they need a pickup truck to carry tools without thinking “skill issue”.
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That rats nest is absolutely the default there, everywhere.
That rats nest is the default everywhere in SE asia.
The cables are well insulated, and it’s usually only the last 50m or so run like that.
It’s far less horrible than it looks, a lot of it is slack for repairs and re-routing. You see this across much of the world where they can’t afford utility boxes under every post.
That seems a bit harsh
So is burning fossil fuels during a climate apocalypse. Gotta make some tough choices.
This is a policy which will hit the poor first and hardest. That’s contrary to all realistic and beneficial climate action. How about banning cruise ships docking at ports in the country?
I don’t know enough about Vietnam to speak to the transportation options there but in most parts of the world there are good low-carbon alternatives now. E-bicycles in particular are an affordable transit revolution that should be affordable to anyone who can afford a motorbike.
People who burn fossil fuels are not the poorest of the poor. The real poor are the ones who will suffer and die if we don’t get off of fossil fuels immediately.
I would personally go a lot further than this narrow policy but given the current emergency I can’t really be critical of any move in the right direction.
I think you have no idea how polluting motorbikes are in the 3rd world. And if any are still 2 stroke, yikes. As with any electric vehicles, there is a up front cost but the lower maintenance, longevity, and electricity instead of gas is much cheaper. And we’re talking scooters, the price Delta is a lot lower than for cars.
The poor are the ones who have to breathe the largest amount of the most densely polluted air.
They plan to buy half a million electrics for impoverished areas. Which isn’t nearly enough, but it’s a start.
btw, this is what Hanoi regularly looks like during winter.
That’s definitely a big step. I’ve seen swappable battery packs from China that could make it pretty realistic too if they’re actually subsidizing it.
This is only in centers of some cities. Total ban is planned for 2045 which is 10 years later then in EU.
Yeah I guess in really dense spots you can just park and walk.
I promise the vast majority of citizens will actually benefit from the lowered cost of powering motorbikes and scooters.
When I lived there 6-7 years ago many people didn’t even stop at red lights. It wasn’t uncommon to see someone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet. It will be a while before any policy is actually followed
Hmm if I was poor and couldn’t get a helmet, yea I’d use a cooking pot.
I dont think time is the critical factor, but will.
If they really want to roll this out then they will.
Even if there’s no pressure on commuters, rental places and companies will do it, then at least the market and infrastructure for them is improving.
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So you’re saying that people there are actually trying and making an effort to do the right thing instead of getting all bent out of shape that head protection makes them “less masculine”? I say the country has more hope than the US for lasting, effective change in policy and lifestyle.
Didn’t take long for someone to make this about the US lol
Comparing Vietnam to the US is a pretty low bar. You’re not wrong but it just seems like a pretty strange comparison
The internet has broadly become a really contentious shitty place where nobody can stand not being “right” about something.
Haha, not sure which part of Vietnam you visited, but I’ve been traveling to Vietnam on and off for at least 30 years. Even back then, I never saw anyone wearing a cooking pot as a helmet — most people simply didn’t wear any helmet at all.
For the pots, all over Ho chi Minh to not get a ticket when word is out at the police are ticketing for no helmet. Which is why i say it will be a while before any policy like this is actually followed, just like the red lights which are still not followed.
Sounds like a pipe dream.