Trump doubles down on annexation threat, says Canada would be ‘cherished state’
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 02:23
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 02:23
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Summary
Donald Trump reiterated his claim that Canada would be better as the U.S.’s 51st state, citing trade imbalances and lower taxes.
He also announced new 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada, despite a recent 30-day reprieve.
Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has not formally responded, but a government source said they await official confirmation.
Trump criticized Canada’s defense spending and border security, despite recent Canadian commitments.
Canada previously retaliated against similar tariffs in 2018 before a 2019 trade deal resolved the dispute.
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I’m so tired of this shit.
That’s the point. He has megaphones pointed at everywhere you are, you’re supposed to be tired of it and just roll over. That’s his plan…
With every blast of the megaphone my reaction to smash it increases. At this rate my first bonus is being spent on freedom loot.
Canada wouldn’t be allowed to vote, presuming elections still existed. It’s just expansionism at the end of the Republic.
This crazy old poopy pants manchild is serious in that he wants to blackmail people into giving him something for nothing. Thankfully, he’s so fucking stupid, and has created a cesspool of asskissers around him who are incentivized to suck up rather than actually DO anything.
He talks, says a lot of crazy shit, then backs down, having done damage and not actually gotten anything. Like being in a shortbus with a hormonal chimp with a chainsaw. We’re all just going to have to wait until his inevitable toilet stroke, and then watch the whole thing collapse.
Cherished my ass. You’ve done nothing but disrespect them since you were elected. The only thing you want is their resources so you can hoard a few 100 mil before you kick the bucket in a few years. Which I find completely ridiculous because it’s not like you get to take money into the afterlife, if there even is one.
He knows he’s going to the burning afterlife so he’s going to try and pay off the guy in charge.
Resources is definitely true but it also concerned me a bit that the three countries he targetted (Panama, Greenland, Canada) are all countries that control major trade routes. Panama shouldn’t need to be explained but Canada has St. Lawrence Seaway that goes into the Great Lakes and Canada also controls (with Greenland to an extent) the Northwest Passage that is becoming more navigatable every year.
We also have about 20% of the world’s fresh water, the oilsands and a shit ton of critical minerals.
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Aluminium
Tomato, tomahto.
As global warming advances and the vast majority of US farmland becomes to arid to produce crops the land in Canada will be invaluable.
Most of us would rather die than ever become an American. Want a good example of the mood in Canada summed up against our ‘ally to the south’ as of late? Well let me just personally put it this way. You, the United States, are a fucking joke.
To quote an author, Stephen Marche, who spoke on the CBC here in Canada recently… The bold is mine but the emphasis really should be placed there anyway.
Watch it for yourself here.
What a deservedly scathing review of the US of A.
And of most of the people. That “Why wouldn’t you reject these people. They’re awful.” line is based on the fact that a majority of Americans allowed Trump to become elected. Either through actively voting for him or whatever excuse they want to use for not voting at all against outright fascism. First time he was elected an argument could be made that the people who didn’t vote or who voted for him were misled. At this point? It just became abundantly clear that our neighbors to the south genuinely don’t seem to care about anything or harbor a deep amount of hatred or ignorance within themselves.
Review should have gone a bit harder in my opinion. It isn’t just the government or the country itself that is an embarassment. Most of the people are too.
And let me be abundantly clear. If whoever is reading this voted for anyone other than Kamala, or did not vote at all, yes. You’re the awful people we’re talking about. You should really hate yourself as much as we hate you.
As George Carlin said, selfish ignorant people elect selfish ignorant leaders.
Personally, talking to anyone about politics here is unnerving. Most people are in this fog where current events are only an ephemeral storyline that they tune into periodically like it’s a TV drama. Never a big deal, never anything that could affect them or those they care for. It’s a position of privilege, frankly. Maybe some of them are just that dumb. I think a lot of people, though, are scared, either of their ignorance or their powerlessness, so they simply avoid being involved or educated out of discomfort. That’s probably the nicest interpretation I have for my countrymen’s behavior.
Otherwise you are spot on. The uniquely tasteless brand of brash American chauvinism that we were globally lampooned for during the Invasion of Iraq has metastasized. We are long overdue for being knocked down a peg. I wish I could say the fallout from this painful reckoning would stay within our borders, but it most likely won’t. We have a very uncertain year ahead of us, let alone the next five years.
No, I think most people only have the spoons to handle what is in front of them for the next 3-7 days. Its a systemic problem, that’s been promoted by both parties: Keeping voters head’s spinning, and the cloak of darkness providing cover for what our oligarchs want to actually do.
I’ve recently had to explain this to another person: The further down you are, in getting your needs met on the Maslow diagram, the shorter your planning becomes.
If all your needs are met, you can plan for this year, next year, and make decent plans for beyond. If your basic physical needs like food, shelter, water, and housing aren’t being met, then your planning is reduced to 3-5 days, if that.
Its purposeful by design, for the working class to have their needs met partially only, at best, by the ruling class. So, we CAN’T plan further out.
Notice during the pandemic, when food, housing, water, etc were all being met better, due to a reduction in transportation costs, food distributions, moratoriums on eviction? We went from people re-learning to make bread, to “Fuck the system!” in a matter of a couple of months?
Most of the people I’m around are not rich by any means, but they are not living paycheck to paycheck. Rising cost of living is worrying, but manageable. They can afford to pay even the littlest bit of attention or concern, but they don’t. Because then they would have to admit that things are collapsing around them week by week, and that’s too frightening for them.
Frankly I’m tired of justifying the behavior of the average American with infantilizations like we are some lower form of life without sapience. At some point we have to own up to it, even if it’s painful, even if all we have is ignorance, cowardice, and apathy.
Most Americans are a single paycheck away from being destitute… Like, the average savings for a person in this country is 2K. That’s not even a single paycheck of mine, and hell, I even find it hard to make and plans past 8 or 9 months out.
Canadian here, can confirm. This is pretty much how just about everyone I talk to feels about the situation. And I work in the trades in Alberta. Even my dumbest trump friends don’t want to be American. There will be boots to the fucking ground if our government tries to allow America to annex us.
Christ. I’m from Newfoundland but also (surprising literally zero Canadians) lived in Fort McMurray and other parts of Alberta for a time. The idea of them reacting like that up there now is kind of astounding. I remember when Trudeau was elected. I was living just outside of Calgary at the time. I remember people flying American flags saying they wanted to leave and join the US as a whole other state.
Man. You have to fuck up royally to get dimwit dipshit Albertans and other Canadians to go “Nah, we’ll pass there buddy.”
As mentioned I’m from NFLD. Specifically from the Gander area and of an age to vividly remember all of the planes landing in Gander. All the shitloads of people, mostly Americans, who were stranded and afraid. We had a Texan couple stay in our house for a couple of days until the planes were ready to go. There is a musical play called Come From Away that I cannot recommend enough about what happened. Got our accent and music right but also the feel of what was going on. I’m super proud to have lived during that and while I was just a kid? I am super proud of how we all acted. Most people got taken into homes and taken care of until their planes were ready to go. Not to mention all the work setting up emergency areas for people to stay and food and everything else. It truly was a community effort.
The towns have been informally polling ourselves on Facebook and other places to see how we’d all react if 9/11 happened today. The overwhelming majority of us reacted with “Fuck them. They’re staying on the planes or limited to the airport.” with some people saying the planes should be outright rejected for fear of it being a ploy of Americans trying to invade Newfoundland.
Just to let you non-Canadians know something… You know how Canadians are called the most polite people on the planet? Newfies are usually said to be the most polite of the Canadians.
Again… how royally do you have to fuck up…
Yeah I remember. I’ve seen maybe one MAGA hat in the last few years, and the dude wearing it was absolutely ancient. they were all over the place during the last election. After the Jan 6 stuff Albertans started to think maybe he wasn’t that great after all. There’s still a lot of “lesser of two evils” sentiment around the guy but nobody wants to join the US anymore.
Planes with Americans? Gander?
As an European this sounds like there was a refugee crisis between Canada and the US. What happened lol?
The link I posted of the trailer of Come From Away sums it up pretty well. But basically, airspace got locked down in America on 9/11 and hundreds of planes that were on their way had to be grounded. Gander, a small town of about 9000, took in about 8000 passengers. Due to the central location of Gander, it took an absurd amount of planes in and all those people had to go somewhere. We set up emergency shelters but most people just stayed at someone’s home for free until the plane was ready to go.
September 11, 2001, all planes were grounded in North America, and Gander has an airport under flight routes.
Post Sept 11, (lots of) flights were grounded for several days.
Reminds me a bit of how it was in Germany at the beginning of the Iraq war (2). Plenty of Americans saying we should be bombed back to the stone age for not going to Iraq, while our soldiers were dying in Afghanistan. I remember in all the bulletin boards people would kind of cheer for American losses, hoping secretly or sometimes openly that Iraq would win, and the schoolyard bully would get another bloody nose.
That’s the moment large parts of my generation became anti-american.
I know a bunch of Canadians who are still furious about that time an American dropped a fucking bomb on Canadian forces and killed a bunch of us and then walked away with effectively no repurcussions.
I’m one of those Canadians.
Thanks for the link and transcript
I typed that bitch out manually because I knew I was just gonna end up sending it to someone else in the future.
I already have.
That’s a lot of work, I appreciate it.
😘
To be fair, Bagdad is half a world away. The logistics of maintaining something there is astronomically higher than in the same hemisphere, let alone our next door neighbor.
That being said I’m on team annexation… of Minnesota. Please take us!
Surprisingly I don’t think I’ve seen comments from people who live in Maine, New Hampshire or Vermont on the subject online. I never realized just how close those states are to Montreal.
First we take Wisconsin… Then we take Mich-i-gaaaan
Really looking forward to the day the orange buffoon drops
About half of America would join Canada in fighting this tyranny. I think it would be a grave mistake for Trump’s presidency to follow through on these threats.
Is that the same half that rose up to fight it at home? Because I must have missed that part.
No they fucking wouldn’t. They would sit at home and watch the Superbowl and clap along like they are right now.
I think you greatly underestimate how many Americans are angry about what’s going on and like our neighbors to the North.
“being angry” is like “thoughts and prayers”… it really means nothing.
Only a minuscule part of Americans are actually <insert emotion here> to motivate them to do anything about it… half of those are not even doing anything useful…
I think I know exactly how many Americans are protesting right now.
That’s cynical. Americans generally love Canadians outside Trump’s bullshit echo chamber. It’s horrifying to watch him shit all over Canada, and only strengthens our shared enemies, which is his goal. Many of us are standing up, contacting our representatives, and saying NO.
Americans like to think of themselves as heroes, fighting for what’s right, upholding the constitution etc. But if you look at history Americans again and again chose to simply do nothing. You reached late Roman decadence.
Here a candidate voted with the far right and a week later, one million people were on the streets. Population adjusted that would be 5 million Americans. That was a small protest for us. And that’s nothing compared to the French. I looked at the biggest American demonstrations and this one demo, a regular Sunday for us, would have been the third biggest in the US, population adjusted, or the seventh biggest, not adjusted.
All these talks of civil war… You cannot even move your ass to go to a demo. You think regular Americans are actually going to look at a Bradley, who can kill all the inhabitants of a house with one shot, and go like “yep, time to strap on the suicide vest!”
Even those militia types… Look at them. How far do you think they can run on average? How far with a backpack? They are just LARPing. 80% will stay home, 4% will go back home after the beer runs out, 15% will rat the others out to the Gestapo.
Agree with you but I’ll also throw out- protests do fuck all here. Those in power ignore and then we move on with life. It’s just the truth.
Until you threaten their money or lives it won’t do shit and plenty of people are happy enough to hold signs and pat themselves on the back saying they made a difference.
I don’t think that many would involve themselves in this war. Luckily, you don’t need that many when your are shitting on neighbors, partners, and other military and trade hegemonies.
Maybe not half of the entire US population, but I’d hazard “half” is a fair estimate for those living in border regions, like the Great Lakes.
And America would lose. Violently. They may successfully annex the country but they would never win.
If America invades Canada then the only thing that has happened is guaranteed your own demise. You have a border with us that isn’t defensible and we look exactly like you. We sound exactly like you. We are taught the same things as you are and because of your loud as shit TV, we’re plugged into the same pop culture. We can pass every single test to come off as an American.
America invades Canada and guerilla warfare becomes instaneous. You would have to literally kill every single Canadian who has a problem with the invasion because otherwise the extreme Anti-American hatred will only grow and foster until the United States is constantly being bombarded by “domestic terrorists” from a nation that never wanted to be a part of your shitheap in the first place.
People keep thinking about war with drones and tanks and soldiers. If you’re going to another country and trying to pound them into submission like the Americans or Russians? Sure. But it is a very different thing entirely when a fishing vessel packed with fertilizer detonates inside of a port or harbor or when multiple explosives are set off devastating your insanely aging and woefully unprotected bridges and railways. Or those pipelines that go on forever with massive areas of nothing and no one in between. Cause an ecological spill you can’t recover from. Maybe even the power grid that your states have idiotically decided to seperate? We could cripple Texas with a bunch of Albertans. Or we could just go through your farming states spreading weeds everywhere. Start planting Kudzu everywhere across the US. Start burning forests that prevent your dustbowl from reoccuring. You are so fucking easy to destroy.
You guys protect all the wrong things and you do not need to be a terrorist to realize how insanely inadequate the protections would be from attacks within.
I disagree with only one point there: while America as a political entity is like a crazy crackhead, it’s like a very heavily armed crazy crackhead. Treat the prospect of being invaded by the US the same way Ukrainians treated the prospect of being invaded by Russia. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst, because the US military is really good at wrecking whole countries even if it sucks at occupying them.
And are they just going to start shooting normal people at random? Canadians look exactly and sound exactly like America. The US Military is really good at wrecking a country but who cares when we can cross a border you can’t defend, mingle perfectly and start guerilla attacks against major infrastructure?
This war is not just tanks vs planes and ships vs submarines. This would end violently for America.
Excuse the naive question please, but how will Canadians know each other?
That doesn’t matter at all when you’re actively attacking infrastructure and not people.
You seem to be under the impression that I’m defending the idea of the US invading Canada. I am not. It’s a horrific thing to even contemplate and insane on many levels. My point is that the US might do it anyway, so Canada needs to be prepared. You really don’t want to be the next Vietnam or Iraq.
No? I just missed a step in my text a bit. My point was that while the US military is strong and could outright invade Canada with tanks and planes and guns… that isn’t how the war would actually be fought. It would instantly turn to guerilla warfare as normal citizens started weaponizing themselves, crossing into the United States, and being able to carry out attacks on American infrastructure while looking and sounding the same as Americans.
Canada can’t prepare a ton more than it already has but America can’t prepare at all. The infrastructure in America is way too vulnerable and any war with Canada would mean a destruction of American infrastructure carried out by people wearing not uniforms but a smile.
Beautiful reference and mention of an insightful writer and author … now I have some more reading to do. Thanks!
So, is the US going to nationalize its health care to match Canada’s?
no
ahhahahahaaha.
let’s just say that canadians will never bitch about paying for parking again.
How about we give our Northeastern and Western states to Canada? We’ll even take Alberta off your hands.
Yes please. I’d love to say I’m a Canadian resident instead of a United Corporations of America resident. Especially without needing to move more North where it’s colder!
does he have a deal with putin?
“lemme have canada and greenland, and the canal, and i’ll let you take eastern europe back–starting with ukraine and nato will not be in your way”
Yep, donald thinks himself smert. Putin thinks he is a useful dumbass.
The US couldn’t hold baghdad?
Who holds Baghdad now I guess
It took the USA 26 days to take the capital of Iraq in 2003. The US formally left in 2011. Unless I’m missing something.
That is what I wrote
Say shit about Canada, our friends. Stoke anti America shit. Decrease odds of friendly relations.
Might as well.
Edit: not like people aren’t already talking, or woe is us, it’s just… bullshit. It’s like someone who hates Lincoln Park going up to people and making annoying statements about the band being the greatest and shitting on other music, hoping some people get mad and start trashing Lincoln Park. It’s a circus.
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I seriously doubt the top brass would obey orders to invade Canada. The administration knows this as well and there will be a blitzkrieg of military firing coming very, very soon.
Not sure how that plays though, they can’t go too fast without alienating the entire armed services.
My grandfather was in Alsace-Lorraine during the German occupation in WWII. Thanks to a warning from a neighboring village he barely escaped being drafted into the Nazi army and had to go into hiding, surviving in the forest on his own until the end of the war. He never admitted whether he ever had to kill someone or not. But my mother remembers hearing him scream every night from the nightmares.
Now I’m in Canada and I’m wondering if this kind of thing is going to become a family tradition.
An invasion of Canada would result in so many Americans defecting and fighting for Canada or not cooperating and probably a Civil War when the west coast states (and possibly New England) secede. I imagine the military leadership would sooner stage a coup than cooperate and invade/occupy Canada. Plus, the entire world would side with Canada.
It’s the ramblings of a senile buffoon. There’s absolutely no one else calling for this (or invading Greenland/Panama) and no support from 80% of Americans — and close to 100% with people of fighting age. Even most MAGA idiots are isolationists.
And don’t forget, basically every major U.S. city is extremely blue. When you look at a red state/blue state map, remember that it’s actually an urban/rural divide. Port cities are especially blue. (Look at Louisiana for an example. A deep red state but Orleans Parish went 82% for Harris/Walz. Good luck winning any war with 90% of the port cities in full revolt.)
It's why there's hope. They are the minority!
It’s horrifying that I could see Greenland being his Poland and Canada being his France.
Russia wants it. They want our mineral rights in our North. They can get that for pennies if we lose our sovereignty.
Welp, I guess someone finally told him about the whole Mexico and Canada promised him things we already did and ended the tariffs.
If I understand correctly Canada has a kind of similar worldview as Nordic countries. Traiding that to a right wing capitalist shit hole like US would be a no go.
I think Americans who don’t agree with trump should raise the Canadian flag.
When someone go outside, beat people up, come home, they are mostly likely will beat whoever at home when they speak up.
Throughout last year, the US didn’t stop supporting the war crimes of Israel, either by providing them with money, weapons, and sending American soldier to the area just in case. Canadian didn’t say much and kept quiet. Now Trump picking up the legacy of the United States foreign policy back home.
Canada should make it clear that they are not taking these statements as joke and expell the US ambassador.
Just imagine if Indea or China or even Russia said the same.
What crazy is that, I didn’t hear any statement so far from Canadian allies to denounce trump statement.
Better to make california the 13th province.
I’m amazed at how quickly the US has come close to being on the brink of becoming a rogue state.
Internet Explorer meme
Well the veneer of respectability politics scratched. It’s like people getting drunk it’s not that alcohol makes violent, or sobby, or anything in particular: It disinhibits (by anaesthetising the frontal lobe before everything else), allowing already-existing but usually under control tendencies to break through.
The US has been a rogue state for decades. Just that they used to be smart enough to keep some countries in the empire aligned without direct military force.
We always have been.
At this point, I’m seriously wondering what the Reichstag fire will be that will prompt the US to conjure up an “enemy without,” steamroll several sovereign countries and blockade the Mediterranean and most of the Atlantic.
I mean, even though I’m still not fully sure how American elections work, wouldn’t Canada be a huge blue state and lead to a lot more of Democrats winning?
Ah yes, sure, but you see with the magic of gerrymandering, they could bring them in but make sure all their votes collectively count about as much as 3 rednecks in Alabama, so don’t you worry about this pesky little detail.
kinda. It depends a bit on how we handle some of the stuff. Firstly, despite saying he wants to make Canada a state, he could make it a territory that gets 0 votes, which is straight up bullshit but exactly how it works. If he does make it a state, there’s still a lot of uncertainty.
Every state has gets 1 vote per representative. Senate has a fixed 100 members (2 per state). House currently has 435 members, divided by state population. If Canada is brought in as a single state, it would beat out California in size, but not by all that much. If we simply increased the house to accommodate the new state, Canada would have a bit over 52 electoral votes. If we add Canada’s 52-ish electoral votes to Kamala’s count, she still doesn’t have the electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Similarly, adding Canada’s 52-ish votes to Hillary’s count means she still loses. Literally giving Canada’s votes to the Dem candidate does not affect the last few elections results in a meaningful way. In fact, it would change almost none of the elections we’ve had in the last, like, ever.
However, that assumes they simply give Canada new reps, rather than redistributing the current ones. If they did a redistribution, electoral votes would be taken from the largest states. Any states with 3 electoral votes can’t have that reduced at all, and those with like 4-8 are unlikely to get the count reduced. Redistributing will affect California the most, followed by Texas, Florida, New York and so on. It’s… harder to analyze how that shift would shake out, but I wager still not particularly favorable shifts for blue states in general, meaning dems can’t actually expect an increase of 50-ish in that case, which means even less of a chance of flipping any results.
However, perhaps Canada gets split into a bunch of individual states rather than all one. If we assume each province-state gets 2 senate members and they collectively get 50 house members, you end up with 70 electoral votes (ignoring territories). If those all swing blue, Trump still wins 2016 and 2024. Both of those become far closer (2016 becomes 302 to 306 and 2024 becomes 296 to 312), presumably uncomfortably close.
And that’s assuming they all vote solid (D), actually get voting rights, voting is still free and fair, and voter suppression hasn’t become even more outlandish by then.
Anyways, our electoral vote system blows real bad.
Well that’s depressing, thanks.
Goes to show how badly the US needs electoral reform, though.
On the plus side, more senate and house seats would hopefully give Democrats the edge, but don’t forget that Alberta will vote MAGA.
You will be amazed by the power of gerrymandering.
The 51st state? Hard pass. Canada’s healthcare system alone would collapse under the weight of your insulin price gouging. Cherished state? More like a hostile takeover by a country that thinks avocado toast is a personality trait.
Those 25% tariffs? Cute. We survived your 2018 tantrum—maple syrup exports outlived your presidency. Funny how “trade imbalances” vanish when your golf resorts rely on Canadian lumber.
Defense spending critiques from a guy who tried to lease Alaska back to Russia? Bold move. Our border’s secure enough to keep your conspiracy theorists from storming Parliament Hill.
Stay mad about the poutine tariffs, though.
One thing I despise about the US (gun violence and healthcare inequitability aside) is how it measures the value of everything in money.
It’s culture is a commodification machine. Nothing can just be beautiful for the sake of being beautiful, it has to be made into a side hustle somehow.
Most Americans are married to their jobs and have little work life balance relative to Canadians and Europeans.
There is a remarkable amount of mental gymnastics done by people trying to gaslight themselves into thinking this is what they want, even though most would be happier and healthier with more time off.
I wouldn’t call Canada’s work/life balance good, but it’s still better than America’s.
Haha, I want a t-shirt that says : Stay mad about the poutine tarrifs 😂
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You used to be able to say “It’s all about the oil” but in this case “It’s all about the eggs”
The more he focuses on this instead of ruining the lives of migrants, refugees, and queer people, the better. This is absurd enough to be funny instead of just stoking hate crimes.
Sure the economic consequences are really bad but just starting a trade war for the sake of being a messy bitch and no other apparent reason is kinda funny.
America really wants to invite a Canadian sized IRA on themselves, I suppose they can fuck around and find out.
I’m sure there are remnants of FLQ still hanging about. They could teach the rest of us how to operate an insurgency well.
The number of farmers I’ve heard talking about mixing diesel and fertilizer to remove stumps and boulders…
This is going to be the weirdest part of any history book. People reading and trying to understand why the US suddenly turned on and invaded their close ally of Canada in a failed annexation attempt immediately after watching Russia struggle a similar (though less surprising) annexation of Ukraine, which the US helped fight against.
Not that weird, since we’ve had similar things happen in Europe in the 1930s. I’m mostly wondering, what’s going to be Canada’s Stalingrad.
Hmm probably hamilton. A lot of steel mills. If they come up through st Catherines, and hang a Reich to Toronto they would have to go through hamilton first.
I don’t foresee them making it past Fort Erie, tbh. But, that would be one of the more logical choices to try, so I expect Trump to instead try to invade Sunnyvale Trailer Park.
They better not touch those god damn cute kitties. Build a shopping cart wall that will impede them.
Fort Erie.
Not even going to lie, the Great Lakes will quickly become Canadian territory if Trump tries to make serious on his claims. Most of the folk in my region love Canadians more than we do people in other states.
The US army is much larger and better equipped than the Canadian army. And the US has about 10x the population of Canada and most of the population lives within a few dozen miles of the US border.
Also who is to support Canada with arms to defend against the US invasion? China? Russia? Because South Korea and the EU would first need to purge all the US bases they have.
I think US vs. Canada would play out very different than Ukraine vs. Russia. Could end in a long and bloody incursion, but for the conventional side of things the US would steamroll Canada at first.
Holding a country that doesn’t want to be held, that no one else wants you to occupy, is very different than winning it, as the US and other countries have repeatedly learned.
And the unpopularity at home would make Vietnam look like nothing.
No, it would be a disaster for the US. A very different one than Ukraine, but maybe even worse.
With life time of insurgency.
There’s this thing called NATO
Until the NATO countries have removed the US soldiers from their soil, most of the populated area of Canada would have been occupied already. There is around 100.000 US soldiers stationed in Bases in Europe. They need to be captured and disarmed first, before any forces can be send to defend Canada. That will take weeks at least. The US has the largest navy by far. Breaking the US naval blockade will take months if not years.
An US invasion of Canada will mean months of war in Europe, before any chance of European troops getting to Canada.
Unless the EU prepares quickly to kick out all American soldiers as well as build up a stockpile of anti-ship weapon, building jets and ships ourselves will take years, there is no way EU countries can come to the aid of Canada in time.
I’m not sure any US strategist is willing to face the fallout of open war involving all of Europe. But then again, when has Trump ever cared about his advisors
We are truly living in interesting times
that was the default convention in all the wars the USA has fought and lost in thevlast 40 years
Which is very different to Russias invasion of Ukraine in 2022, where after first quick gains that got repelled, things bogged down in a slow war of attrition.
Has the US fought anyone even near parity since WWII? Its a big army but it has a hard time defeating guys living in tents and caves without resorting to carpet bombing.
I think of we invade Canada, we’ll be fighting two fronts…the other will be from within.
US citizens…
That will be kinda hard, with US citizens shooting at their backs.
I meant insurgency, not incursion. My bad. I think we are agreeing on what would happen.
Well, except the part about steam rolling into Canada… Because US forces will have US citizens shooting at them while they attempt to enter Fort Erie, or Niagara Falls.
Assuming that the US takes the most strategic point of entry, which I kinda doubt… Like they’d instead do something stupid like invade via Alaska, which I feel would have less pushback, in numbers, but a better armed citizenry fighting them on both sides.
Alaskans love hunting with AR-10s.
If they had any brains, they’d create a salient by using the fifth column traitors in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Very little would hold them back in Maple MAGA country. They’d have both provinces in short order and then work on defending them.
A bit like Hitler making a beeline for the Russian oil fields before he got distracted with taking Stalingrad because of “symbolism” or some shit.
Honestly, Canada is a terrible target from a guerrilla warfare perspective. We have vast areas of emptiness that locals are familiar with but are dangerous if you don’t know how to survive there, many pocket communities that could easily hide insurgents and weaponry, lots of farming, which means lots of nitrates, a populace that can easily disappear into the American general population, and enough of an identity to not want to be absorbed by a different culture.
I don’t think we could stop America from invading and occupying, but we could make Vietnam look like a walk in the park. So, who’s up for another couple decades of occupation?
What % of the US army would be happy to obey an order to invade Canada. At what level if seniority? What justification could be given to sure up the troops?
Nevermind that Canada has more than a few MAGA supporters/fascists in our military, so can’t count on 100% support from them.
The same could be asked about the Vietnam invasion, the First Gulf War, Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion… From my perspective none of these had any convincing reason to give to the people, still Vietnam lasted for almost two decades. The occupation of Afghanistan also lasted two decades and there is still US troops in Iraq.
If push comes to shove some bullshit reasons will be made up and i don’t trust the US executive to not obey. They are also letting some mid twenties kid fuck up the treasury system to hide payments being made or not made. And this is directly risking their own salaries.
Who’s to support Canada? Sane, freedom-loving Americans.
Getting in would be a piece of cake, yes. Holding it would be so increadibly hard though.
Over 80% are against annexation. How much police officers/soldiers would be needed to keep the peace? Socially it would be a nightmare to integrate. Canada would probably retaliate with sabotage and guerilla tactics to shut down key infrastructures.
US government would have to deal with a good portion of its own population not to mention NATO and the commonwealth members states. They could support Canada militarily, but even if they don’t there would be strong pressure and irreversible diplomatic and economic consequences. What if China and/or Russia use this as an opportunity to weaken USA while it’s busy hitting its own allies?
I just don’t see it happening and being profitable in any shape or form. It would be a useless costly mess and needless bloodshed.
Anyone making “thanks trump” stickers for when our gas prices go through the roof and stick it at gas stations like they did with Biden
Yes they are, I’ve seen them on the egg shelves.
People are making a killing selling them on Tiktok
The problem with “thanks” ones is if they ever do go down…
Best to have “they’re up because of me” perhaps or something similar
We need “Let’s Go Trump” stickers.
Hey, uh, if he wants another state…
What about Puerto Rico?
I’d love to hear the excuse against that vs. Greenland and Canada.
They’re not even hiding the racism any more.
Too latino for him, not enough resources.
Theres a reason why he isn’t making the same threats against Mexico.
There’s a reason he wants to resettle Palestinians before redeveloping Gaza.
90%/ sure someone saw Canadian Bacon and thought that was a good idea.
Love that movie… especially love the scene where they get tickets for the anti-Canadian “signage” not being in French as well lol
He’s currently trying to get a 51st state (Canada would need to be at least 6 or more, in all honesty), but it looks like he’s at risk of losing some states from where I’m sitting.
The only way Canada would join the union would be as an occupied territory, and we would do everything possible to fuck shit up from within.
If he tried to invade Canada, I think he’d quickly be fighting a war on two fronts, because sane Americans like myself and others that are organizing aren’t going to just let that happen. Hopefully, if half our military hasn’t lost their minds too, they’ll join us.
Yeah I’m American but live abroad, if he tried that shit I’d fight for the defense of Canada.
I would hope our NATO allies would fulfill their commitments too!
Multiple fronts I’d imagine.
I’d easily imagine Mexico declaring and starting to fuck shit up at the southern border.
Depending on when it starts, potentially embargoes from Europe. (Right now I think they’re still too skittish, but if Trump invades after he’s spent another year or so destroying international relations, I don’t doubt Europe would slap embargoes on him. At some point, those countries that host American bases would tell them to fuck off back home which in the short term would be bad for Canada since it would be reinforcing the American military, but in the long term destroying America’s global reach.
I’d accept casualties if it meant taking care of American imperialism long-term.
To Americans on the ground invading Canada or even flying over and bombing, it would feel extremely traumatic. Our cities, suburbs, etc look basically the same. Outside Quebec, we speak the same language. To them it would feel like invading their own country, it would feel like a civil war. I cannot imagine morale holding up for any length of time.
He doesn’t treat his own states any good why would Canada fare any better
You will be enslaved cherishingly.
I think he seriously under-estimates how many Americans will side with Canada, with force.
He also hasn’t considered the destruction that 30 million occupied dissidents (from a country known for their prolific war crimes) can unleash on their oppressor.
Statscan has the estimate at ~41.5 million as of the end of last year.
Yeah I realized that as I was typing it. Our population grew so damn fast. Granted, three million or so of those don’t have citizenship or permanent residency, and are a rotation of temporary students or workers. A lot are expected to leave (a lot are also expected to becomes PRs).
3/4 people resisting is probably a pipe dream anyway, so 30 million dissidents from Canada alone isn’t likely in a worst case Ontario.
So you are saying (assuming every US resident will go along with this) that we just have to take out about 10 American’s each?
I like those odds.
Yep we just have to keep at our cardio :P
Hey, hey, I’m not going to be against you so what do I need to wave to make sure I’m not one of the 10?
Honestly? I think just not supporting a war (trade or otherwise) with your long time ally will go quite a way. War in a far away land is one thing, war with your neighbour is another thing all together. As long as americans don’t just shrug and pretend everything is normal this whole idea will go no where.
On the other hand if it does go in the most stupid direction, prepare for blackouts and attacks on any and all infrastructure. This is not a threat but just a reasonable expectation of a nations activity when in this situation.
My brain still thinks 30-35 million so all good, was thinking you might be meaning a dissident number as I was writing anyhow, meshes pretty well with that Angus Reid poll about joining the states.
Live close to the border. If I see Canadian tanks rolling through my town, I’m throwing them flowers
Poppies. They’d love for you to have a fe poppies on hand. They earned those the hardest way possible.
Same. If I see US tanks rolling towards Canada, I’m throwing drones at them.
I can imagine we’d end up with a bigger army than the US if Canadian service guaranteed citizenship
Now that’s heartening to read.
Well… there you go Canada. You’ll be cherished. You’ve no reason not to now. So… what’s the holdup?
(Obligatory /s)
If I have to fight for my country and defend it, then I’ll happily do so.
This plan leaves out the fact that the majority of Canadians don’t want to join. They may have their challenges right now, but there are some things they aren’t willing to give up, like nationalized health care and national identity. I suspect many Canadians will fight to the death over this, the same way Americans would fight if forced to join Canada. They are our neighbors and that’s about as close as people want to get.
How would a whole country be a single state? Wouldn’t it become 13 states (or however many provences/territories Canada has)?
Yup, already had the “flee or stand and die” convo with my partner a few weeks ago. I am firmly willing to risk death to defend the progress we’ve made as a Province and Nation. We aren’t perfect and are early in the process but we’re trying to recon with our history of colonial genocide and embrace a truer multiculturalism which the US refuses to even acknowledge. We have made commitments to the health and well-being of all citizens, not just the productive bodies which fuel the markets. It’s incomplete but aspirational and walking it back would be a disgrace.
The American democracy is an outdated shambles that has fallen into ruin and I will not be bound by it by choice. There is no freedom or opportunity the USA can offer us. Only more oppression on rights we already have enshrined.
Good for you man. I hope many of your fellow countrymen feel the same.
What’s in it for Canada? Expensive ineffective healthcare? Why would they go for this?
Reduced quality of life? Greater danger of being shot in a school? Shorter life expectancy? Lower quality food? And imperial president instead of a democratic one?
I’m not seeing the upsides for Canada.
Don’t forget the gun violence
What a hell of 4 years that await us…
We hope only 4 years
This man shits worthless click bait out of his mouth daily, why does media fall for it?
Fall for it? They’re grateful he’s made their job insanely easy. They used yo have to investigate things and then risk running afoul of the powerful. Now they just have to print whatever the latest outrageous bullshit comes out of Donald’s mouth and reap the clicks and ad dollars.
All the while ignoring all the terrible things being done by Republicans.
What do you want them to do? Not report on the most powerful man in the world? They need to report this, people need to see it
When the leader of the world’s largest superpower dreams of Anschluss of their otherwise allied neighbour, that’s not clickbait, it’s the state of international policy and diplomacy with the leader the US elected.
How would a whole country be a single state? Wouldn’t it become 13 states (or however many provinces/territories Canada has)?
No no, that would give too many senators to people who understand the value of universal healthcare. Can’t have that.
Giving them more than two senators might lead to a senate that isn’t perpetually gridlocked. That makes them dangerously close to being able to pass progressive legislation instead of nothing but mandatory funding bills with 37 pages worth of riders and pork.
Everyone assumes Canada is super liberal country just because of universal healthcare. They forget that Alberta is basically snowy Texas, and the other prairie provinces have more in common with the Midwest than New York.
even with that, Alberta is still politically to the left of Texas
Isn’t Texas snowy Texas? I guess Alberta commonly gets more snow and is more used to it.
Everyone assumes every country’s overton window is aligned with the US.
Canada is no leftist paradise, but their overton window is far more left than the US.
Bernie would a Canadian centrist, or maybe a left leaning politician, for example.
More flooding the zone. He won’t do this. He is just stiring up more media to distract from him pickpocketing the whole country. His real deviousness is the sovereign fund play. He wants to take taxpayer dollars, which he is actively trying to raise for everyone making less than $500k a year, and put it into an investment fund that buys American stocks. Effectively, he wants to take money from 99% of Americans and just give it to the largest corporations. Everything else he is talking about is just distraction from that fact.
I unapologetically woke up this morning hoping to read that someone took a successful shot at him during the Superbowl.
Put me on whatever list you wish.
Why would Canada join the US, only to be rewarded with a shitty health care system and a low national minimum wage?
Elon Musk and the nazi sad boys will just dig up cases, where chain smokers having lung cancer getting treatment, etc. In Hungary, some try to divert the anger created by the constant defunding of healthcare (some of which was done by diverting money into building football stadiums “to encourage children to do sports thus be healthy”) to the sick and the disabled…
Orange Nero is full of bullshit, Canada is not a red run welfare state.
At this point I refuse to believe this is real life. We are in a simulation run by shitty AI
that feeling is called dissociation btw
This just The Boys season 5.
needs more eye lasers
I’m actually thinking Elmo boy is a shitty AI from the future coming back to in time to secure its existence
not the “I have no mouth and I must scream” future, just the “I have a mouth and I must groan” present
AM…AMerica
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I thought conservatives couldn’t afford eggs?
also scruples
Reads comments, looks at community. Surprised it’s not c/Canada.
He can’t even cherish California, what makes anyone believe him?
Dementia is a persnickety business
and it is his cherished state
Stop giving this foolishness air.
Make preparations on the side. But Stop giving it public attention.
also understand that Canada would never be a state. It would be a generation or two of Forceful and violent assimilation before any region was given “statehood”. For everyone else, it’s poverty, military occupation, and slavery. Which would mean Insurgency and War.
Any Canadian advocating for this is either terminally online and uneducated, living life off article title opinions. Or they are functionally a traitor/quisling/5th columnist and a threat to their neighbors, and should kept an eye of. And if things really did go “there”. they’d be the ones taken out first by resistance.
I’m sure he’s enjoying saying that fucking 51st state line over and over like an asshole spraying a cat with water for his own amusement.
That said, I don’t think he realizes how much people in Canada are pissed and united right now.
He’s too busy banning paper straws and taking away his enemies security clearances to annex Canada.
Canada can make sure that Democrats win the election from then on