from HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 24 Apr 13:32
https://sh.itjust.works/post/59057719
Ukraine’s defence ministry has fired a top commander after photos emerged of a group of emaciated soldiers who have been left on the frontline for months without proper food and water.
The scandal erupted after the wife of one of the soldiers, Anastasiia Silchuk, posted the images on social media. The four men appeared to be pale and visibly malnourished, with prominent ribcages and thin arms.
The soldiers had spent eight months defending a shrinking bulge of territory on the left bank of the Oskil River, near the north-eastern Ukrainian city of Kupiansk, their relatives said. Supplies of food and medicines could only be flown in by drone.
“When the lads arrived at the frontlines, they weighed over 80–90kg. But now they weigh around 50kg,” Silchuk posted. After one delivery, she said, no more food turned up for 10 days. The soldiers were forced to drink rainwater and melt snow to survive.
“The longest they went without food was 17 days. They weren’t listened to on the radio, or perhaps no one wanted to listen to them. My husband shouted and begged, saying there was no food and water,” she said, adding that the problem was bigger than just one case.
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It’s only going to get worse. It’s estimated Ukraine will fall by 2028.
That’s far away for what was supposed happen within 3 days, 4 years ago.
Russia came up with 3 days, and you can’t trust them
By whom? I feel like it’s impossible to get any info on this war that isn’t propaganda by either side.
The Ukrainian side has generally more realistic information because their side is able to be fact checked by the rest of the world for a lot of it.
The Russian side is significantly more heavily controlled from a media perspective.
Most accurate information typically comes from independent analysts pouring over all the data and coming up with a “this is the most realistic guess”
From what I read, Russia is gaining ground so slowly it would take decades just to take over the areas they claimed, with extremely heavy losses. Both sides can’t achieve a strategic push because of the drone hellscape in the vast grey zone.
And it’s unclear on both sides how long they can sustain the political will to fight.
So barring some new development, it’s a stalemate that eats 40000 people per month.
Is that about right?
Saving for “and Russia could get its ass handed to it handily at any point if any nation had the willpower to step in and stand with Ukraine”
Not quite "any nation;" it'd take a significant bloc within the EU for it to really sting.
In short, yes. I’d say Russia probably has the edge since Ukraine’s manpower issues are much worse, but it’s hard to say.
On the other hand the Ukrainians have started successfully using drones for ground assaults so they might be able to overcome or at least alleviate their manpower shortage that way.
It is a stalemate that Russia could end in days by withdrawing from Ukrainian territory. Ukraine can only end it by dissolving or winning.
Thank you товарищ, 500 Rubles have been deposited in your account.
Wrong currency, i only want to be paid in yuan.
And who are those estimates from? The same people who estimated they’d defeat Ukraine in three days?
No, NATO who is planning to defend poland.
I’m sure their words havent been twisted at all here
Abort! You’ve been compromised!
And I heard you were a little bit years ago and will be a little bit in 2028 when the Ruasian rape machine offs itself.
I’m not Russian bro
Bro like I never said you were. I said you were a little bitch and Russia will fall. Both can be true. But now I believe you are Russian.
And even if you aren’t a true Russian. You might as well be one cause you obviously love the taste of poorly made leather boots.
Bro.
Russia is already at polands door. Just keep your head in the sand i guess.
Worse for Putin
Russia is going to bankrupt themselves with this war for sure
Now that Hungary is finally free from putins cock puppet and the EU loan is released, hopefully this sort of situation can be avoided.
I’m not super well versed on all of this in Ukraine, is there a reason this suggests that this was unavoidable before?
It waswas definitely avoidable but the situation for many soldiers in forward positions is tense at the best of times.
I am no expert on this but I believe the additional funds will not improve the situation for the grunts in the trenches significantly because the issue is not a lack of materials. Instead it’s the ubiquity of cheap kamikaze and spotter drones that makes logistics so difficult because any sizeable movement attracts an immediate response.
I think instead the funds will to a significant portion be spent on purchasing material that are actually in short supply like missile interceptors to bolster defense against Russian air threats beyond drones.
Right, do you have any sources on that I can check out?
My main source of information on the Ukraine conflict is Perun, an Aussie working in or at least adjacent to the military industrial complex. He has a playlist of presentations (he basically delivers narrated PowerPoint presentations instead of “traditional” videos) on Ukraine.
I see, checked them out a bit. Kind of frustrating that it appears as though this is just someone who has worked in defense contracting and the sources they list are just typically news sites (which indicates to me they don’t have access to or do not use whatever scholarly access they would have if they have a degree related to this). So, they seem like more of a reporter who is aggregating news coverage with some public documentation.
I’m sure their videos can be informative, but I’m more curious about how this is argued and measured as many experts in these fields are pretty incapable of articulating how systemic, material, and social conditions facilitate instances like this and how reflective they are of individuals’ decisions or systemic dysfunction.
Perun approaches the topic from an economical and strategic viewpoint. And yes, he uses mostly open source information because it would be very unwise for his career to use any form of insider information he might possess. Though if you have a look around the channel you can also find some interviews with experts in specific fields. And also yes, if you are more interested in the day-to-day situation on the ground I’d recommend checking out other channels as well. It’s his stated goal to provide a top down view.
Oh, what I was talking about would still be a top down analysis, just one that is more informed and nuanced to create better explanations. Economic and political lenses exclusively tend to be distortive and only useful for people who subscribe to their preexisting explanations for things (and it doesn’t seem like this person is qualified to produce those beyond their individual experiences).
While we could start a whole philosophical debate about whether or not anyone can provide anything but their individual experience of things, I doubt someone unqualified would have been invited as observer to NATO wargames.
We couldn’t, because this is an internet comment thread and you don’t seem to understand how these topics intersect. Also, yes, someone who is invited to some NATO workshop is not likely to be qualified to answer my questions by merit of it being a workshop for experts in the exact thing I am saying is not sufficient to.
Are the investments for long term drone improvements coming from Ukraine’s budget or NATO procurement?
Avoided? All the EU loan will do is prolong this situation. Ukraine has absolutely no chance of winning that should be crystal clear after the previous hundred billion. More Ukrainians will be thrown into the meat grinder to meat the exact same fate as this man just to weaken Russia. Of which the oil is being unsanctioned so that both sides now have more money to throw conscripts into the meatgrinder. What a fantastic resolution.
What’s your solution then? Force Ukraine to surrender, so Russia can starve Ukrainians without them being able to shoot back?
Just stop giving Ukraine money so they have to come to an agreement. You’re talking as if the average Ukrainian concript wants to get sent to the frontline to die for a pointless war which will result in Ukraine losing anyway when Europe loses interest.
Unlike actual resistance fighters, Ukrainians don’t want to participate in the war.
An “agreement” under duress that includes territorial concessions. And the inhabitants of those territories will then promptly be genocided.
And then Russia will attack again when they’ve rearmed, to do the same to the rest of Ukraine.
Amazing solution.
There is such a thing as security guarantees.
Which are completely useless when Russia frames territorial gains as a great victory and uses that as a propaganda tool to propel its minions into power in guarantor countries, like AfD, Reform, RN
Ukraine had guarantees before they were invaded
They had worthless security guarantees which were not enforceable.
The only way to enforce a guarantee is with guns you dipshit
Guns Ukraine didn’t get once already.
This you?
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Guarantees from russia? The only guarantee would be to dissolve russia once and for all.
Europe losing interest has been a talking point since 2022 but it has never actually happened.
It certainly is a pointles war, but not becuase of Ukraine. As long as Ukraine as a country wants to keep fighting, I see no reason not the help them defend them selves.
Ukraine as a country doesn’t want to keep fighting at all. There’s a reason Zelensky is not allowing elections. Ukrainians are as happy to go into the meat grinder as the average Russian.
Europe promised to give Ukraine what they needed to win and then gave Ukraine their old equipment to just barely keep hanging on while Europe bought new military gear. Not the mention the age demographics aren’t looking too hot. Manpower isn’t infinite.
These are Russian lies.
If they have enough soldiers, then why was this platoon malnourished and forgotten? Why are all of Ukraine’s big “wins” in the media all done by use of drone? Where are these magical, Ukrainian Super Soldiers to retake ground against Russia?
Because shit happens, and some commanders still have this “USSR” logic.
You think war is just black and white and easy?
FFS even the USA, the strongest military in the world has a food issue occuring right now on the USS Abraham Lincoln.
War isn’t a video game.
Even Western media is reporting on it these days get with the times.
Every day without Russian boots on the neck of Europeans is a good day.
Fight till the last Ukrainian!
No, it’s sick how Ukraine has beared the brunt of Russia’s aggression since 2014. We should have NATO troops in Ukraine.
You can sign up today as a volunteer in the Ukrainian army to defend Ukraine against Russia. Why are you posting on Lemmy? Go risk your life for what you believe Ukrainians should be forced to risk their lives for.
I already personally donate to the Ukrainian army, and my friends and I organize coordinated help for Ukraine.
I am not militarily trained, so I wouldn’t be much help as a volunteer.
But you’re right, Europeans should show more solidarity and support Ukraine more.
Don’t worry the Ukrainian conscripts who are thrown into a van and dumped at the frontlines aren’t militarily trained either. You can get military training in Ukraine, just join the legion.
Or are you saying that you aren’t willing to risk your life for the thing you demand others risk their lives for?
Useful idiot.
No u
This is not a problem of funds. It’s been a choice made by the higher ups in the Ukrainian military. there have been countless times where it became evident that Ukrainian soldiers are being surrounded and the choices were either to retract them. or keep them in their position without food or ammunition until they get annihilated. And they choice was always to let them be encircled and let them fight to the last one. It’s been seen in Avdivka and many other cities
You mean this isn’t a kupiansk problem but it is generalized all along the ukrainian frontline?
Yeah. It started a long time before Kupiansk. especially when russia’s advances pickup steam 2024-2025. this year russia is struggling to advance. and even struggling to surround Kostiantinivka which is a key battle ground city. The situation is very confusing as to why the the frontline is frozen. Russia is either panicking or blindly following on plan’s made years in advance.
The Frontline is frozen because of drones and russia has no idea what it’s doing. It’s why they’ve been using meat ways for years.
I sincerely doubt it. The EU has consistently dropped the ball on this, with or without Orban.
Good luck to the soldiers who decided to go public with their situation. I hope they get rotated out and get some extremely deserved rest, if they get lucky then until war is over.
As for the brigade commander, unless he can show the court spectacular excuses, I sincerely hope he likes it in jail, because without a spectacular excuse, that’s where things are heading for him.
One does not leave units to die, but recalls them. If one cannot recall an unit, one does not lie about it, and supplies them with all available means of staying alive and getting out.
These guys just can’t catch a break.
Having a tendency to always read sentences in halves. I went straight into clicking the article, I was shocked at how very little remains on the bones of those men at was very disgusted at how Russia is torturing its prisoners.
I started reading the article from the bottom. and that testimony of the woman who said that since the news went public, her husband wrote wrote to her reassuring her that they have started receiving more food, this confused me cause since when did Ukrainian prisoners in Russia get to write back to their families.
I went up the article, and that’s when I truly was shocked to discover that these men were not uks prisoners in Russia but Ukrainian combatants in the front line who haven’t eaten for 17 days. I can’t even imagine going for 5 days without food let alone 17 days. and that this is all done to them by their own commanders forcing them to defend slivers of land with zero regard to their condition. contrast that with the hundred of thousands of young Ukrainian men who fled the country because they had the means to bribe to escape. I don’t blame those who are doing their best to dodge the draft in such an unfair regime.
There’s more to the story than that if you read more of it. Russia was intercepting their methods to feed the men. They are also trying to be very cautious of giving away position
Which is not to excuse the situation, but nothing is straight bad and straight good. War is shit. And furthermore I wouldn’t call this a ‘fix’.
The men are still uncertain that their food line will not jsut get interrupted by Russia again. So even they are aware this isn’t a ‘fix’.
It’s just PR.
The fix would be if the war ended. And even then it’s a very very Far cry from all the damage that has already been done to call that a fix.
I wonder why Ukraine can’t easily get supplies to the frontline.
Could there possibly be a larger imperialist neighbour trying to kill them???
No! It’s the people who don’t want their country invaded who are wrong!
Really? Ukrainian army is so unbelievably corrupt, as long as you can’t cough up +2000€ to bribe the officer you will just get sent to the slaughterhouse to get murdered bybsome drone, all for nothing.
Ukraine is seeing record numbers of desertion for a good reason, pretty much every house is probably hiding someone at this point. But I guess we’re all supposed to cheer and clap like a bunch of hungry seals.
I think you accidentially wrote Ukraine when bringing up this point about Russia?
At the same time Ukrainian uh, recruiters, are running people over and throwing them off of roofs, and even pressuring other countries to repatriate their citizens abroad… all to send them to starve and die on the front. Not looking too good.
Yeah the Russians give out steak dinners every night?! Have you seen this, have you heard about this?
What does that have to do with this? I definitely don’t support press-ganging people into war no matter what, particularly just to send them into something as hopeless and catastrophic as this.
Many people suffer from (good vs evil) for them Ukraine is good and Russia is evil. Then they have a hard time believing the good guys can do anything wrong.
This is mostly clear when we see how it took Eroupe about 2 years of genocide to somewhat realize Israel is the bad guy, but then they got stuck because it is also clear USA is a bad guy.
If you step out of this narrow point of view, you can clearly see that, Ukraine has always been intended to be a buffer zone, the one who benefit from that are mostly military complex and contractors. They don’t care about human at all. That’s why these news are expected.
I understand. It’s very difficult for people to accept.
Yeah exactly which is why Russia doesn’t do that. I agree with you!
I don’t understand what you are even trying to say here. Do you mean that Russia also is kidnapping people off the streets and sending them against their will to starve on the front lines? Because I would also be against that, but it wouldn’t make it OK for Ukraine to do either. Let them fight who want to fight.
I’m saying they don’t do that! I’m being serious.