Seoul demands North Korean troops leave Russia immediately (www.bbc.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:42
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South Korea has summoned the Russian ambassador, seeking the “immediate withdrawal” of North Korean troops which it says are being trained to fight in Ukraine.

About 1,500 North Korean soldiers, including those from the special forces, have already arrived in Russia, according to Seoul’s spy agency.

In a meeting with the ambassador Georgiy Zinoviev, South Korea’s vice-foreign minister Kim Hong-kyun denounced the move and warned that Seoul will “respond with all measures available”.

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MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:43 next collapse
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BombOmOm@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:46 next collapse

SK has mostly kept from supplying Ukraine. Closest they have gotten is selling shells to the US to open up more US shells to go to Ukraine. I could see SK changing their stance about supplying Ukraine over this.

Carrolade@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:49 next collapse

Seoul will “respond with all measures available”.

Perhaps the law that forbids arms exports to warfighting countries could be re-examined? Wouldn’t even need to toss the whole thing, a new law could probably be passed to create an exception.

I’m sure some of S Korea’s gigantic reserves of 155mm would make a very significant difference.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 20:09 next collapse

Or, a few battalions of those shiny K2 Black Panthers, which Poland signed a deal for an absolute shitload of a couple years back. This’d be outstanding battlefield testing for them, tbh.

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 12:39 collapse

And the US would quickly ensure Israel got its due

Carrolade@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 12:47 collapse

I don’t think the US can force S Korea to support Israel outside of conspiracy theory puppet-countries land.

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 18:44 collapse

The US forced the prohibition of marijuana and the ousting of an Australian PM.

It might be conspiracy but the US is currently arming a genocidal regime and aiding their land grab, so lets say they have form for both making pther countries do their bidding and supporting cunts in the name of democracy.

Carrolade@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 19:24 collapse

Source on the Australia stuff? That’s new to me.

Arming genocidal regimes is nothing new, the Leahy Law was created in the first place because these things were problems. Ultimately though, without that influence over Netanyahu, the Palestinians would be worse off, not better.

Netanyahu doesn’t need big bombs to starve a captive population, no matter how much people like to fantasize about Israel magically letting them all go as soon as arms are embargoed.

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 20:12 collapse

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He threatens the US military for overstepping and operating in Australia so they have him removed.

Now this next part I have several problems with so you may need to clarify.

Are you saying Palestinians are better off because of Netanyahu? And before you answer I will point you to the death toll, their ever decreasing land and the multiple bombings of refuge camps, hospital and schools. Not to mention the use of palestinians as shields, the raping and the IDF gang like presence, the lock down hours and prevention of anything approaching a two state solution.

He might not need big bombs, but that doesn’t mean you should defend the provision of such. Taking away a suicidal persons guns wont stop them killing themselves, but it removes an option and makes it a little more difficult.

Carrolade@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 20:49 collapse

Hm, that is interesting. Definitely does fit with American Cold War activities, so I’m inclined to believe it.

No, the Palestinians are certainly not being helped in any way by Netanyahu. He and his right wing cronies want them all gone, I’m fairly sure. Despite that goal, however, most of the 2 million+ residents of Gaza remain alive. That would probably not be the case at this point, without western leverage being exerted on Netanyahu to restrain him.

It would actually be easier for him to kill them all if he did not have to maintain alliances. Not harder. If he wants to remain safe vs Hezbollah and Iran, he must preserve most of the Gazan lives, even though he really doesn’t want to.

Nougat@fedia.io on 21 Oct 15:19 next collapse

I would think that fewer DPRK soldiers on the Korean peninsula, and more or them defecting, captured, wounded, or killed in Ukraine would be good for South Korea.

Carmakazi@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 15:36 next collapse

I think DPRK’s hope is that at least some soldiers and officers will return with some modern combat experience, something that their military organization is dreadfully lacking. It could end up being a bigger problem down the road for ROK even if they lose a few thousand bodies.

barsoap@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 23:23 collapse

They can’t really take them back they’ve seen the outside world.

stephen01king@lemmy.zip on 22 Oct 15:34 collapse

All they’re seeing is western Russia and war torn Ukraine. Not really an impressive view, is it?

barsoap@lemm.ee on 22 Oct 17:18 collapse

If you’re from a starving country and have been told all your life that everywhere else is worse, a war zone without famine is bloody impressive.

basmati@lemmus.org on 21 Oct 15:56 collapse

South Korea prides themselves on threatening to destroy the relatively hostage North. The north can’t do anything without the South’s approval, or it gets wiped out.

It’s not about practicality or safety, it’s purely about punishing the north for wanting freedom.

NaibofTabr@infosec.pub on 21 Oct 16:01 next collapse

lolwhat

Nougat@fedia.io on 21 Oct 16:20 next collapse

At first I thought, "There's another to block," but on second hand ... that shit is funny.

Serinus@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 19:41 next collapse

I was surprised he wasn’t from lemmy.ml

Letstakealook@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 19:42 collapse

I already had them tagged as a dumbass, lol. Seems that was an accurate tag.

Nougat@fedia.io on 21 Oct 16:08 next collapse

!Meanwhileongrad

Letstakealook@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 19:40 collapse

That’s not the one modded by the lying, abusive goat fucker is it?

basmati@lemmus.org on 21 Oct 21:56 collapse

It is. Also they’re an out and proud Nazi.

Letstakealook@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 22:15 collapse

Goat fucker might be a piece of shit, but I can’t take your word for it that they’re a nazi, given you were just spouting nonsense.

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Maldreamer@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 20:22 collapse

You must be a troll Lol, if not go easy on that kool aid

solsangraal@lemmy.zip on 21 Oct 20:23 next collapse

why does anyone in existence think that goose-stepping isn’t the dumbest goofiest looking bullshit anyone’s ever done? i say this in a world where dabbing and planking have been things

kerrigan778@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 21:16 next collapse

Basically because Prussia developed it as a way of keeping soldiers in rigidly drilled formation advancing in lines towards defensive positions with muskets, because before rifles were common in military advancing in a tightly coordinated firing line in the face defensive musket fire was a devastatingly effective tactic but which required a lot of training and discipline. The Prussian army became famously successful while using it and it became very in style. As rifles became more common on the battlefield and defensive fire became more accurate it became obsolete as a tactic but it stuck as a ceremonial “impressive” looking thing. Now that everyone who remembers it being a real effective combat tactic is long dead and it’s just associated with Nazis and the Soviet Union… Well… It basically just summons images of authoritarian military parades and people who get hard for that kind of thing are still into it and everyone else thinks it’s stupid as hell.

That said, formal marching is still very much a thing in most if not all militaries, and it does tend to focus on rigidity and body control and very purposeful movements. Marching without bending the knees is a semi easy way of simplifying it so that every soldier seems to be moving the same way, which is often the goal of the effect, otherwise you have to train the exact time and angle which people are bending their knees and correcting for people with different length legs.

tomatolung@sopuli.xyz on 22 Oct 00:45 next collapse

Really great explanation! Thanks!

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 01:28 collapse

Ah Prussia, the root cause of so much military ridiculousness

irreticent@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 21:48 collapse
CptEnder@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 23:36 next collapse

OH SHIT UKRAINIAN K2s??? PLEASE YES PLEEEEEEASE

njm1314@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 00:16 next collapse

I’ve been curious about this, since the United States and South Korea are both still at war with North Korea and the latter is sending troops into Ukraine, doesn’t that mean that it’s an active combat zone for both of us? Seems like all the pretext you would need to move troops into the area.

todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee on 22 Oct 21:05 collapse

The United States is not at war with North Korea…

52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org on 22 Oct 22:08 next collapse
Alteon@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 23:13 collapse

Actively? No. But the war has never technically ended. It was sort of put on pause. With both sides on either side of a line drawn at the 38th parallel with 1.2 metric fuckloads of troops on either side.

Filthmontane@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 22:43 collapse

I’m pretty sure the answer is no.