Israel and the US have begun their war on Iran with a “regime change” as the stated goal. If they succeed, Israel cements its expansionist goals and the middle east is fucked. If Iran succeeds, Israel is fucked.
There’s a small chance of a stalemate and both give up and we go back to “normal” after a whole lot of death and destruction.
The entire middle east is going to be affected either way, and to a lesser extent the world as energy distribution from the gulf will be effected.
exaybachae@startrek.website
on 28 Feb 07:16
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Also, Trump gets a massive distraction - which he presently critically needs with his approval ratings at the lowest level in either of his presidencies, and the lowest level for the first 100 days of a presidency in 80 years.
OwOarchist@pawb.social
on 28 Feb 07:32
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Also, don’t forget, the US attempts to cancel elections due to being in the middle of a war, despite extensive historical precedent of still holding elections during wartime.
I think a "stalemate" is more likely than you suspect - the Iranian and Israeli regimes both benefit from having the other one to demonize.
I suppose regime change is the ideal goal, but even just more war to galvanize support around Netanyahu in an election year in Israel is a win for him.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 07:46
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Regime change would probably mean the same thing that happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. The invading countries will leave a power vacuum and some extremist group is going to take advantage. In Iraq they had ISIS which required a whole new invasion to stop and in Afghanistan the Taliban is now stronger than before the US invasion.
With how much bombing the US and Israel are preparing to do, a stalemate won’t come without major destruction in Israel and US bases. I’m not sure that’ll be helpful for Satanyahu’s campaign.
Uhh the middle east has been fucked for centuries. Nothing thats happening will change any of that.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 06:43
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Weren’t a bunch of analysis predicting this? The trump administration had apparently requested that Israel strike first to provide a flimsy excuse for firing their own missiles at Iran when the Ayatollah and his gang inevitably retaliates against Israel.
OwOarchist@pawb.social
on 28 Feb 07:30
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Guys, guys. Chill.
Both of these countries are killing their own civilian population. But now one of them is also killing the other country’s population as well. Probably soon to be joined by the other doing the same in return.
Let me just be the anarchist in the room and say fuck both of these countries. Fuck every country. We shouldn’t have countries. And we especially shouldn’t have countries that kill people, no matter which side of an imaginary line they’re killing people on.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
on 28 Feb 07:54
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One of these countries is defending its civilian population against US bombs, the other is dropping them, don’t both sides this shit because Iran isn’t perfect.
OwOarchist@pawb.social
on 28 Feb 08:11
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I’m not trying to ‘both sides’ this shit as much as I’m trying to ‘no sides’ this shit.
You can’t no sides when you live on the side that’s dropping the bombs. The actions your words encourage within the west are the same that the most bloodthristy warhawks encourage. You are not supporting the Iranian people’s struggle by opposing the state protecting them from your state.
When a zionist says that Hamas doesn’t support gay rights, do you think they are trying to support gay struggles in Palestine? No they’re trying to justify murdering more palestinians, just like anyone who says “Iran also bad” in this thread.
OwOarchist@pawb.social
on 28 Feb 08:27
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The actions your words encourage within the west are the same that the most bloodthristy warhawks encourage.
I don’t think the bloodthirsty warhawks are encouraging the abolishment of all states, especially the ones that kill people. And, yes, especially the one I live in.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip
on 28 Feb 08:53
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You can’t no sides when you live on the side that’s dropping the bombs.
Ahh, good old collective responsibility. Always there when you need it!
That’s not what I’m saying at all, I’m saying to analyze the context of your speech; a US libanarchist opposing Iran isn’t meaningfully different than some bloodthirsty neocon; you’re still supporting the war effort.
Ah, yes. Any good anarchist should support the authoritarian theocratic state that’s being attacked!
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Feb 08:32
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One of these countries is defending its civilian population against US bombs
Is the US dropping bombs on Iranian civilians? Or are you conflating Israel’s actions in Palestine with this?
I’m not going to be upset about the Iranian government getting killed, any more than I would be if Iran launched a counter-attack on Mar-a-Lago and killed Trump, or Netanyahu. In fact, I hope that happens. Fuck ‘em all.
Yes, have you seen literally any time the US has gone to war anywhere in the last 80 years? We can’t even invade Panama or abduct the president of Venezuela without murdering hundreds to thousands of civilians.
Damionsipher@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 07:33
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Israel has murdered at least 21,000 CHILDREN over the past 30 months. To think that they have any moral standing is moronic at best, but more likely pure evil.
Riverside@reddthat.com
on 28 Feb 08:02
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You’re referring to confirmed violent deaths. The number of victims including food deprivation, lack of medicine and sanitation and consequent diseases since Oct 7th is above half a million, about half of them children.
Yes, I’m only referencing deaths attributed to direct military action - or the IDF’s direct murder of children with bullets and bombs. This is not to minimize the horror they have inflicted through genocidal policy.
Yeah, I wasn’t trying to be belligerent or anything, just wanted to bring attention to it. Thanks for your reminder of the violence of the Zionist entity, we will not forget this
Nope, I didn’t take it as belligerence either, just wanted to confirm I agree.
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Feb 08:26
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…and the sky is blue. But how is this propaganda? How is invading another country, propaganda for zionists?
Damionsipher@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 09:19
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Making a statement that minimizes state violence because it’s against a state that undertakes state violence is still minimizing state violence. In this instance it is minimizing the violence of a genocidal state that is far more violent than the state it is attacking for undertaking state violence.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip
on 28 Feb 09:25
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I think they mean that you can’t fully trust the narrative about protests you read in the Western media. There is Israeli and US involvement in those protests trying to instigate regime change.
So the OP above is parroting Israeli/US propaganda by saying the protests are a justification for the latest military action.
So Israel and the United States are going to respond by murdering the rest of them? You do know that they bomb indiscriminately correct? I just don’t understand your argument here. If you’re concerned about civilian deaths how could you be supportive of this. They literally bomb hospitals.
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Feb 08:00
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Cool your tits. I didn’t say any of that.
Riverside@reddthat.com
on 28 Feb 08:02
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Literal “Hamas is hiding in hospitals” levels of hasbara
They fed you propaganda for a few weeks to soften you up for the war that they were always planning. It’s so fucking obvious that the “protests” were just a prelude to these strikes, and you just eat it up because you’ll just believe anything they tell you.
Over 100 officers were also killed by these so-called “protesters” during the riots, doesn’t that strike you as odd?
The “protesters” attacked police and military targets, armed by Mossad and the CIA. In the chaos many innocent people who got drawn into the riots were also killed, and that’s terrible, but the fault lays firmly at the feet of Israel and the US. They tried to instigate a color revolution, and when that failed they used it as justification for war.
And you fell for it like you always do, because you’ll just believe anything they tell you.
username_1@programming.dev
on 28 Feb 07:56
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Revolution includes attacking oppressors. Those “officers” were defending regime. Crazy bloodcraving regime. Russia ally regime. Religion nuts regime.
Israel only gives weapons to people who they believe will be useful. Every single person Israel gives weapons to is someone who will pledge their loyalty to Israel, they’d never give weapons to someone who might turn those weapons back on Israel someday.
Those police and military personnel, for instance, don’t want Iran to fall. They shot the armed rioters because they wanted to defend Iran. Why don’t they count?
youre supposed to notice the 80 million volume , obviously insiders were betting… is this why people add what i’ve always thought were unnecessary red circles and arrows?
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Feb 13:18
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“Your the reason for unnecessary red circles” is actually a devastating insult.
could have got some mad skillz real time Hegseth updates if you hadn’t!
Riverside@reddthat.com
on 28 Feb 07:05
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The Zionist regime’s thirst for blood cannot be quenched… All my support to the people of Iran, I hope this doesn’t turn to disaster for them the same way it happened in Iraq or Afghanistan…
exaybachae@startrek.website
on 28 Feb 07:15
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What is a Zionist and why does one thirst for blood.
There’s plenty of Christian and secular Zionists too it’s really just settler colonialist ideology that uses supremacy and pseudoscience to justify the genocide and annexation of land from the indigenous population
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev
on 28 Feb 09:40
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also there’s plenty of secular antisemitism, usually identifying itself as anti-zionist.
Herzliche Grüße!
Formfiller@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 08:04
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Israel and the associated political ideology of Zionism describes the settler colonialist state that relies on pseudoscience, theology and supremisist ideology to justify the genocide and annexation of indigenous lands.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev
on 28 Feb 09:39
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the only intellectually worthwhile post i read here so far. thanks!
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 13:54
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No.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 28 Feb 11:52
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Only if you believe the Iraq or Afghanistan wars were okay (in which case you'll have to reasonably argue they were worth the millions killed, wounded and displaced in the process).
Well you’re right… seems to be same. Bad guy attacks bad guy saying to free people. A few years later thousands are dead, no one is free but some of the bad guys made good money.
I guess but i don’t have all facts
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
on 28 Feb 12:15
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For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.
tackleberry@thelemmy.club
on 28 Feb 12:19
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US government protects pedophiles. Their soldiers have no option than to comply.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
on 28 Feb 13:27
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Yes, they do. American soldiers MUST disobey illegal orders.
As the other comment says, these aren’t illegal orders. Wrong? Obviously. I don’t think there’s anything that could possibly make this illegal though. The only potential argument is that only congress can declare war, but that’s been pretty much fucked since the end of WWII. It’s illegal for them to tell you to target civilians. It’s legal for them to tell you to invade some foreign nation, for any reason.
The consciences of those honourable men and women serving their old country (the usa) must be taking a severe beating.
perestroika@slrpnk.net
on 28 Feb 12:56
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If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 13:13
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The US and Israel bombed an elementary school and killed 40 Iranian girls are you proud of yourself?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
on 28 Feb 13:29
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It’s their own fault for not being born someplace good. /S
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 17:34
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Iran sells weapons to Russia because the West sanctioned Iran for opposing genocide.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.
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Wow. Didn’t see that coming. Not at all.
he needed a quick distraction from MR “dead” esptein files.
I would not be surprised if my boi Epstein is chilling out somewhere in ISrael
not a distraction, just plain old imperialism.
Iran: hey, isn’t it Saturday today?!
Err, wtf is happening?
Israel and the US have begun their war on Iran with a “regime change” as the stated goal. If they succeed, Israel cements its expansionist goals and the middle east is fucked. If Iran succeeds, Israel is fucked.
There’s a small chance of a stalemate and both give up and we go back to “normal” after a whole lot of death and destruction.
The entire middle east is going to be affected either way, and to a lesser extent the world as energy distribution from the gulf will be effected.
So, who profits from this?
Israel primarily, US second.
Also, Trump gets a massive distraction - which he presently critically needs with his approval ratings at the lowest level in either of his presidencies, and the lowest level for the first 100 days of a presidency in 80 years.
Also, don’t forget, the US attempts to cancel elections due to being in the middle of a war, despite extensive historical precedent of still holding elections during wartime.
I think a "stalemate" is more likely than you suspect - the Iranian and Israeli regimes both benefit from having the other one to demonize.
I suppose regime change is the ideal goal, but even just more war to galvanize support around Netanyahu in an election year in Israel is a win for him.
Regime change would probably mean the same thing that happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. The invading countries will leave a power vacuum and some extremist group is going to take advantage. In Iraq they had ISIS which required a whole new invasion to stop and in Afghanistan the Taliban is now stronger than before the US invasion.
With how much bombing the US and Israel are preparing to do, a stalemate won’t come without major destruction in Israel and US bases. I’m not sure that’ll be helpful for Satanyahu’s campaign.
Uhh the middle east has been fucked for centuries. Nothing thats happening will change any of that.
Weren’t a bunch of analysis predicting this? The trump administration had apparently requested that Israel strike first to provide a flimsy excuse for firing their own missiles at Iran when the Ayatollah and his gang inevitably retaliates against Israel.
Israel has already stated officially that this was a joint attack with the US.
Oh no a country slaughtering civilians is going to get invaded… Anyway.
This is disgusting. The Zionists are bombing Iran and this is your reaction? Why are you running propaganda for the Zionists?
How is this propaganda? The iranian government literally killed thousands of students who were protesting in the streets only a few weeks ago.
Guys, guys. Chill.
Both of these countries are killing their own civilian population. But now one of them is also killing the other country’s population as well. Probably soon to be joined by the other doing the same in return.
Let me just be the anarchist in the room and say fuck both of these countries. Fuck every country. We shouldn’t have countries. And we especially shouldn’t have countries that kill people, no matter which side of an imaginary line they’re killing people on.
One of these countries is defending its civilian population against US bombs, the other is dropping them, don’t both sides this shit because Iran isn’t perfect.
I’m not trying to ‘both sides’ this shit as much as I’m trying to ‘no sides’ this shit.
You can’t no sides when you live on the side that’s dropping the bombs. The actions your words encourage within the west are the same that the most bloodthristy warhawks encourage. You are not supporting the Iranian people’s struggle by opposing the state protecting them from your state.
When a zionist says that Hamas doesn’t support gay rights, do you think they are trying to support gay struggles in Palestine? No they’re trying to justify murdering more palestinians, just like anyone who says “Iran also bad” in this thread.
I don’t think the bloodthirsty warhawks are encouraging the abolishment of all states, especially the ones that kill people. And, yes, especially the one I live in.
Ahh, good old collective responsibility. Always there when you need it!
That’s not what I’m saying at all, I’m saying to analyze the context of your speech; a US
libanarchist opposing Iran isn’t meaningfully different than some bloodthirsty neocon; you’re still supporting the war effort.Ah, yes. Any good anarchist should support the authoritarian theocratic state that’s being attacked!
Is the US dropping bombs on Iranian civilians? Or are you conflating Israel’s actions in Palestine with this?
I’m not going to be upset about the Iranian government getting killed, any more than I would be if Iran launched a counter-attack on Mar-a-Lago and killed Trump, or Netanyahu. In fact, I hope that happens. Fuck ‘em all.
Yes, have you seen literally any time the US has gone to war anywhere in the last 80 years? We can’t even invade Panama or abduct the president of Venezuela without murdering hundreds to thousands of civilians.
Please don’t form your opinion basing on false information.
en.wikipedia.org/…/2026_United_States_interventio…
telesurtv.net/diosdado-cabello-100-fallecidos-agr…
From the article:
This would include soldiers and bodyguards.
Truth.
Israel has murdered at least 21,000 CHILDREN over the past 30 months. To think that they have any moral standing is moronic at best, but more likely pure evil.
You’re referring to confirmed violent deaths. The number of victims including food deprivation, lack of medicine and sanitation and consequent diseases since Oct 7th is above half a million, about half of them children.
Yes, I’m only referencing deaths attributed to direct military action - or the IDF’s direct murder of children with bullets and bombs. This is not to minimize the horror they have inflicted through genocidal policy.
Yeah, I wasn’t trying to be belligerent or anything, just wanted to bring attention to it. Thanks for your reminder of the violence of the Zionist entity, we will not forget this
Nope, I didn’t take it as belligerence either, just wanted to confirm I agree.
…and the sky is blue. But how is this propaganda? How is invading another country, propaganda for zionists?
Making a statement that minimizes state violence because it’s against a state that undertakes state violence is still minimizing state violence. In this instance it is minimizing the violence of a genocidal state that is far more violent than the state it is attacking for undertaking state violence.
I think they mean that you can’t fully trust the narrative about protests you read in the Western media. There is Israeli and US involvement in those protests trying to instigate regime change.
So the OP above is parroting Israeli/US propaganda by saying the protests are a justification for the latest military action.
So Israel and the United States are going to respond by murdering the rest of them? You do know that they bomb indiscriminately correct? I just don’t understand your argument here. If you’re concerned about civilian deaths how could you be supportive of this. They literally bomb hospitals.
Cool your tits. I didn’t say any of that.
Literal “Hamas is hiding in hospitals” levels of hasbara
And your source for that is CIA, right
Well in this case, Casey is literally an LLM bot so it’s probably propaganda. Check their modlog.
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Have you seen Gaza bro?
Atrocity propaganda justifying Zionist invasion. Literal “Hamas hides in hospitals” levels of bullshit.
Hamas had it operational bases under civilian facilities such as hospitals.
Look, this Zionist is still living in 2020, back when people believed this shit!
Zionists are dropping bombs on their population. Iran is defending against Israel and America.
too drunk to think?"
Ever heard of Palestinians? Gaza? No?
You said they are promoting not slaughtering civilians, while they are slaughtering civilians.
Hmmm 🤡
You’ll just believe anything they tell you, huh?
They fed you propaganda for a few weeks to soften you up for the war that they were always planning. It’s so fucking obvious that the “protests” were just a prelude to these strikes, and you just eat it up because you’ll just believe anything they tell you.
Yep. resistusledwarmovement.com/…/full_series_-_iran_h…
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Over 100 officers were also killed by these so-called “protesters” during the riots, doesn’t that strike you as odd?
The “protesters” attacked police and military targets, armed by Mossad and the CIA. In the chaos many innocent people who got drawn into the riots were also killed, and that’s terrible, but the fault lays firmly at the feet of Israel and the US. They tried to instigate a color revolution, and when that failed they used it as justification for war.
And you fell for it like you always do, because you’ll just believe anything they tell you.
Revolution includes attacking oppressors. Those “officers” were defending regime. Crazy bloodcraving regime. Russia ally regime. Religion nuts regime.
There’s nothing revolutionary about acting on behalf of Israel and the US.
Yes-yeah, Iranians are unable to act for themselves, they can only do what Israel/USA tell them.
You’re just ignoring the weapons that the US/Israel provided them, huh?
They sure as shit wouldn’t have attacked police and military institutions without foreign backing.
And would stay slaves as you want them to be, right?
And do you think fucking Israel is a great liberator?
They’d just be US/Israeli slaves, and I promise that will be much worse.
Yeah-yeah, Israel weapons magically turn everyone holding it to Israel slaves.
That’s getting cause-and-effect backwards.
Israel only gives weapons to people who they believe will be useful. Every single person Israel gives weapons to is someone who will pledge their loyalty to Israel, they’d never give weapons to someone who might turn those weapons back on Israel someday.
Yeah you never saw a CIA-backed coup you didn’t like.
I sure have, tons of shit they do is bat shit insane but I’ve never fired on civilians in response.
And if the civilians are armed by a foreign country, with the goal of toppling your government? Should the government just let them win?
Probably, they are the ones who are being governed after all, if it is a stupid ass decision it’s their stupid ass decision to make.
They don’t get to decide for everyone else.
Those police and military personnel, for instance, don’t want Iran to fall. They shot the armed rioters because they wanted to defend Iran. Why don’t they count?
Why won’t anyone think of the oppressors? They gotta feel pretty bad the oppressed wanted their rights…
Violent rioters armed by Israel and the US are also oppressors. They just want to oppress different factions.
resistusledwarmovement.com/…/full_series_-_iran_h…
I hope Iranian civilians stay safe. As for the government? Don’t care.
Because it’s worked out great all the other times the US has done that
Wait, Is Israel being finally invaded?
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/925c38b4-ea89-4c22-8ba0-7b192c6dea5a.png">
You’re looking at the odds after it already happened. It was like 5% yesterday.
How does that work
Republican corruption and crime, mostly.
youre supposed to notice the 80 million volume , obviously insiders were betting… is this why people add what i’ve always thought were unnecessary red circles and arrows?
“Your the reason for unnecessary red circles” is actually a devastating insult.
The USA has followed up now according to Reuters
We were also predicting that israel would use their epstein blackmail to start their forever war. We were right.
Sending all those ships to the Indian Ocean. 🤔💡
Just a lil vacation trip for our poor lil soldiers :3
i mean, they were openly saying they would do this.
chose the wrong day to delete the Signal app
could have got some mad skillz real time Hegseth updates if you hadn’t!
The Zionist regime’s thirst for blood cannot be quenched… All my support to the people of Iran, I hope this doesn’t turn to disaster for them the same way it happened in Iraq or Afghanistan…
What is a Zionist and why does one thirst for blood.
A racist who hides behind their Judaism and think other peoples land is their god given birthright.
There’s plenty of Christian and secular Zionists too it’s really just settler colonialist ideology that uses supremacy and pseudoscience to justify the genocide and annexation of land from the indigenous population
also there’s plenty of secular antisemitism, usually identifying itself as anti-zionist. Herzliche Grüße!
Modern day fascist. This time the “in group” is defined as Jewish Israelis.
Israel and the associated political ideology of Zionism describes the settler colonialist state that relies on pseudoscience, theology and supremisist ideology to justify the genocide and annexation of indigenous lands.
the only intellectually worthwhile post i read here so far. thanks!
Ignorance of Zionism is “the only worthwhile post?”
Ya, that tracks…
Currently in a country with a US base, currently hearing Iran’s missile blasts. Still on Iran’s side
Unfortunately few countries without US bases… I hope you and your loved ones stay safe
You too friend, and I hope things eventually improve without fearful leadership who see the US as the rulers of the world.
Americans think they wont face consequences of their actions, thats why they do this
We need to make them face consequences
GO IRAN!!!
Hope for a rapid victory and a regime change to something not-so-obviously-shit in Iran. I hope they know what they’re doing.
Not very probable I guess.
Given the US had a second carrier group move up, they think it might take a while
Do you think Israel/America are there to help the Iranian people? How’d that work out in Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya?
Americans will say shit like this and then wonder why the world hates them
Yeah I’m sure the regime installed by fucking Israel and the US will be so much better! 🤡
No good outcome is possible from two brutal murdeous authoritarian regimes attacking a third.
Seems like a much better option that all parties involved in a war are brutal, murderous, authoritarian than if one of them wouldn’t be. Like Ukraine.
Utterly ignorant of every previous american attempt at regime change.
I thought this was a pretty good summary of what is happening over there resistusledwarmovement.com/…/full_series_-_iran_h…
this looks pretty biased and doesn’t provide any sources for many claims. I’m not sure it’s a trustworthy assessment.
Other than the historical record of regime change intervention that the us government has been doing for decades?
One can argue that the material seems to be biased when the domain is resistusledwarmovement.com
That Board of Peace is working really well.
Bored*
A second FIFA peace prize should fix the situation.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Orange cunt shaking his shriveled dick covered in shit form his overfilled diaper. Way to go, USA!
That first sentence is a work of art.
When evil fights evil is this… good?
Average Liberal cheering on the genocidal Israeli ethnostate.
what?
You said a silly thing.
You are seeing Israel commit genocide and are already cheering on their next genocide.
Israel and the US bombed a girls school and killed 40 girls are you proud of yourself?
No.
Only if you believe the Iraq or Afghanistan wars were okay (in which case you'll have to reasonably argue they were worth the millions killed, wounded and displaced in the process).
Well you’re right… seems to be same. Bad guy attacks bad guy saying to free people. A few years later thousands are dead, no one is free but some of the bad guys made good money.
I guess but i don’t have all facts
For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.
US government protects pedophiles. Their soldiers have no option than to comply.
Yes, they do. American soldiers MUST disobey illegal orders.
This is not clearly illegal. Disobeying these orders would get you a court martial, and they will say it was legal.
It depends on the orders.
Like when they invaded vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela?
Yeah they’ll totally not follow orders…
As the other comment says, these aren’t illegal orders. Wrong? Obviously. I don’t think there’s anything that could possibly make this illegal though. The only potential argument is that only congress can declare war, but that’s been pretty much fucked since the end of WWII. It’s illegal for them to tell you to target civilians. It’s legal for them to tell you to invade some foreign nation, for any reason.
The land of the free pedophiles.
We need to call this the Pedophile War
Yup. Apparently the Clintons testified in front of Congress yesterday regarding the Epstein files. That’s not high on the list headlines today.
The consciences of those honourable men and women serving their old country (the usa) must be taking a severe beating.
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
The US and Israel bombed an elementary school and killed 40 Iranian girls are you proud of yourself?
It’s their own fault for not being born someplace good. /S
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
Iran sells weapons to Russia because the West sanctioned Iran for opposing genocide.
Sanctions on Iran pre-date the genocide in Gaza by a long time.
I wonder which countries played roles in it becoming like that. This would be what the 4th time Israel and USA have done/attempted regime change?
I know the history. It’s bitter.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.
It’s like the USA is falling in the void.
it’s an abyss thank you very much.
Sorry, it’s like I had to write it down so it started to sink, I guess.
Drill, baby, drill…
And s*** Netanyahu along the way
Cruel dictatorship is good?
why would you shit netanyahu?
Where do we sign up to root for Iran?