from babysandpiper@sopuli.xyz to world@lemmy.world on 13 Jul 10:17
https://sopuli.xyz/post/30329034
YouGov survey suggests majority support idea of Britain returning to bloc – but not on same terms it once enjoyed
A decade after MPs voted to hold the referendum that led to Britain leaving the European Union, a poll has found majorities in the bloc’s four largest member states would support the UK rejoining – but not on the same terms it had before.
The YouGov survey of six western European countries, including the UK, also confirms that a clear majority of British voters now back the country rejoining the bloc – but only if it can keep the opt-outs it previously enjoyed.
Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the same conditions it enjoyed when it left, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
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Well yeah. I support them joining. But…
The idiots left of their own volition. No more handouts and special privileges. Join as any other nation and follow the same fucking rules. You left on a high horse and came crawling back. You could not appreciate your special deal so you are not worthy of getting another one. Just like any other nation now.
Comment of the day. Here here!
I’m a Brit and I endorse this message. I want us back in, I want us to accept the Euro and Schengen Area, I want us to have to do as we’re told once we’re in. We need knocking down another peg or two
Agree although, presumably joining the Schengen and the euro would make it harder for the oligarchy to keep using London City as a money laundering and tax haven funnelling device. I suspect there would be strong pushback on that!
Could you also start to make edible food ? /s
No deal
As a uk resident i agree, but dont forget the vote eas win by only 2% and a lot of us didnt want to leave
I know. I was baffled that they actually went for it with such a split vote.
Many people that voted for it were sold on the lie that the money saved would go towards the NHS but that never happened because it was never actually about helping the British people.
Politicians lying?.?🧐🧐
I am baffled truly.
Especially conservative politicians… The undisputed kings of evidence based policy.
Instead of a funded NHS people got austerity.
Wasn’t the money saved a negative number? And that then went to NHS? Technically true!
I don’t understand how any country can leave such a decision to a simple majority vote. For me either joinning or leaving should pend on a 2/3 voting.
Now there’s an excellent question.
Because they thought not much people would vote for it and it certainly would not get a majority. The aim was for a sizable minority to use for political manoeuvering. Actual winning and having plans for that was inconceivable. But they’ve seriously misread the people’s sentiment.
They’ve seriously misread how much stupid people can be.
Cameron the chancer. He gambled, we lost.
Totally agree but the leader at the time made the rule and he was incompetent
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I totally get that, and that a lot of them are dead now because of COVID and age. Still, it's not the citizens that have privileges, it's the country, and the majority decided out.
Y'all being on equal footing with other new members shouldn't be seen as punishment, it would be incredibly unfair to other new members if y'all got privileges when joining back. Those other countries also have people that wants to join as much as yours did that didn't want to leave.
I mean bus Boris shenanigans convinced dumb people… Where’s the fricking money for NHS, Boris?
Yep. Rejoin and the British Pound dies. No special deals this time.
Not like there are other countries that still have not switched to the euro even though they are obligated to.
they didn’t leave
New ones have to to become full members though?
We'll only rejoin if it makes the rich people who live here a lot of money, and that would have to be as soon as possible after that happens.
Otherwise, picture a child sitting, pouting and petulant, arms folded tight, on a stool in a corner saying "no!"
There's a vague possibility of long-term gains turning their heads as well, but the armchair physicist and psychologist in me thinks that the gain would need to be proportional to the square of time in order get through their greedy little brains.
I would support them joining. But of course no fucking tantrums will be tolerated. You will abide by the same rules as everyone else.
Yup, adopting the Euro as currency would be my first condition. They threw a lot of privilege and bargaining power away out of pride, so that pride should be injured as much as possible (but without emiserating the common people).
I was very strongly against us leaving, and I would love the UK to rejoin, but give up the pound? That is absolutely not happening.
They can just play dumb and do as Sweden is doing. The result? Not joining the euro
They you can stay where you're at.
There is literally zero chance of the British accepting the Euro. It has disaster baked into it.
The Maastricht treaty defined that you lose the right to 1. run budsget deficits in periods of economic contraction. 2. Set interest rates. 3. Devalu your currency when necessary.
Greece got to borrow at rates Germany enjoy - for a while. Germany gets a hugely devalued currency which actually allows it to be a great exporter (well that and the US post WW2 investment).
This inequality in peripheral countries absolutely drives the rise of the far right.
Other than that |the British people don’t want to be in the EU. Being forced into it will put Reform UK into power. They are as Russia aligned as Trump.
So your point is that regardless of the euro thing the Brits don't want back? Then why are there so many polls with majority wanting in, and so many talks about it? It's all media manipulation?
How would the EU/UK combat disinformation though? It’s way too easy to blame any change in social conditions on the EU.
UK is a shithole country
They are the Americans of Europe.
The shithole that outlawed peaceful protest and considers supporting Palestine a terroristic threat? Nothankyou
We need them in the fucking fold. They have nukes, they still wield tremendous power. Isolating them will only make them more radicalized.
With them in the EU we at least have some control and influence over their fucking slipping.
When a family member goes off the rails, you don’t abandon them, you try to bring them back to sanity.
You give them too much credit. Without US making their decisions for them they can’t do anything. Inside or outside the EU, they’re a liability
Yeah, they can come back. As peers
Peers?
Hehe, yes…
The UK didn’t have a referendum to join the EU originally so I really don’t get why they had one to decide if they should leave. That referendum was bought and manipulated by the Russians I’m sure.
I would love the UK to rejoin the EU. They will probably want to keep the pound which will most likely be the main sticking point, but everything else including being part of the Schengen region should be non negotiable.
Edit - I know most poeople will not be able to cope with this reading of the EU and will not change their mind in any way. When presented with a fact that does not match the reality one has (co-)constructed one has to reject the fact, because one cannot reject reality. So I am happy to agree to disagree, I won’t reply further in this thread, I will just block. And you can downvote this, but you can’t downvote reality away. If only you could, eh!?
The UK political classes ignoring the brexit vote, and rejoining the EU gets Reform UK into power. Who will leave the EU, and are as aligned with Russia as Trump is.
The likes of the bbc framed the brexit debate as a choice between ‘liberalism’ and something xenophobic, which is not why the vast majority of people wanted out of the EU, and omitted the stories of the majority who had very good reason to be unhappy with the EU.
The EU is pro corporatism, anti diversity (why have one set of rules for all of Europe, written by corporate lobbyists in Brussels? What is right for the majority of UK citizens, is not right for the Irish, What is right for Germans is not right for Greeks. etc etc etc. Europe has a wonderfully diverse culture, one set of homogenised rules written by corporate lobbbyists is not right and never will be. Brexit is about the right to self-determinism and autonomy.
The EU was an American idea. They wanted a bulwark against the Soviet Union in Europe. We are in a very different world now.
If the EU wants a Russia aligned nuclear power on their Western side within a decade they push for the UK to rejoin. Th EU ere disgusting in their dealing with the UK post brexit. To expect or demand further concession shows just how hopelessly mislead EU citizens are.
Fuck off with this misinformation.
If the EU was as conformist / homo-cultural as you suggest, the cultural identity of constituent states would have long since disappeared.
Go tell someone in Florence or Sicily that, because they have been in EU since 1950, they are no longer Italian (or that they are somehow now culturally equivalent to a Dubliner). See how that works out for you.
As I said. This individual simply cannot tolerate a different reading of the pro-corporate, anti-diversity EU so they immediately resort to vulgar insult.
Believe it or not it suits me personally, on the most cynical level - free movement etc - to be in the EU. It just happens that I grew up with people who have been hammered by EU membership, and who voted heavily against it. I abstained because I won’t vote against the interests of the people I grew up with.
What I said about reform is absolutely on the cards anyway, forcing a rejoining of the EU on people who voted against it greatly hastens their rise. This is something I don’t want to see. EU citizens don’t seem able to bend, and when you don’t bend you break.
Anyway. Block it is.
“If you disagree, you’re just unable to cope with reality”
Opinion discarded automatically!
Essentially, it’s “proof by existential intimidation” :D
User part4 tagged as a racist bigot.
Oh I tagged him as ignoramus gigantica.
Facts are based on reality, you cannot reject facts without rejecting reality. The stupidity of the above is mind blowing. 🤣🤣🤣
This belongs in the reddit subreddit Iam14andThisIsDeep
I mean, Sweden is also forced to join the Eurozone, but they keep postponing it thanks to a loophole. The UK could just pretend to accept it and then do as Sweden is doing (for the time being).
Sure, but as an equal member, without special treatment, which won’t please current UK.
Haha, yeah but no Pounds. All Euros.
And Schengen please. No more border checks going to/from London.
Oh no those would be terrible! /s
Tell that to Germany pls. Our useless fucks in government decided it would be great to have border controls again.
I’m here for rEUnion
I too want them back, BUT not with the shit they are doing rn and with their special Deals
The UK made their bed, now lie in it. Former empire of old that has never done reparations. Now sucking up to Trump. Nice one Brits. 🙄
Give back the north of Ireland, let Schotland become independant and join the EU. Problem solved.