The ‘naive cynicism’ of Russell Brand’s hasty defenders (www.spectator.co.uk)
from BobTheBoozer@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 19 Sep 2023 06:58
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DarienGS@lemmy.world on 19 Sep 2023 07:12 next collapse

This is the sanest Spectator article I’ve ever read.

jet@hackertalks.com on 19 Sep 2023 08:12 next collapse
  1. Accuse a person with no police involvement
  2. Accused person states their innocence
  3. Media storm breathless that accused person claims to be innocent.
  4. Accused persons fans and supporters, call for more data, call for a criminal investigation to clear this up.
  5. Media storm breathless that people who support the accused would want a proper investigation.
  6. Companies affiliated with accused person, drop accused person for fear of bad publicity.
  7. Accused person supporters now outraged that the accused is being punished extrajudicially
  8. Accusers supporters outraged that people are outraged that somebody’s being punished extra judicially
  9. Optional - criminal investigation starts …

At every step along the way there’s great drama, and opportunity for media coverage, to get clicks. Was this a coordinated media attack? Absolutely. The newspaper and the television show came out on the same day at about the same time referencing each other. That’s coordination.

Are the accusations without merit? We don’t know, we need the criminal investigation to happen in order for us to know.

jet@hackertalks.com on 19 Sep 2023 08:22 next collapse

From my personal perspective, he probably did it. But I just get triggered by news articles being flummixed the people are reacting to news articles.

The outrage drama cycle is exactly what they’re trying to create. Them getting outraged at people acting out at their outrage is outrageous

darth_helmet@sh.itjust.works on 19 Sep 2023 22:54 collapse

If you aren’t the alleged victim, or personally know the alleged victim, kindly shut the fuck up as you have no idea beyond your personal biases.

jet@hackertalks.com on 20 Sep 2023 11:12 collapse

Gatekeeping opinions is not the way to build a open discourse.

darth_helmet@sh.itjust.works on 20 Sep 2023 17:19 next collapse

And popping off ignorant opinions is how we get to mob justice

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 24 Sep 2023 16:43 collapse

And making sweeping generalizations about virtual scenarios is how thoughts get terminated.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 24 Sep 2023 16:40 collapse

And writing stories about the uninformed opinions of anonymous strangers on the internet isn’t journalism.

collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de on 19 Sep 2023 10:51 next collapse

At least the 70s show guy is out of the news cycle.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 24 Sep 2023 16:43 collapse

Imagine thinking celebrities behaving badly was news.

ThePantser@lemmy.world on 19 Sep 2023 12:17 next collapse

I feel the same way about the coach at MSU (Michigan State University) they said they are firing him before he can even defend himself. And it was a phone call, dude lost his job over a phone call that she could have just ended and blocked him.

dangblingus@lemmy.world on 19 Sep 2023 14:00 next collapse

That’s a lot of words to say “I don’t believe people who call the police and file police reports”. Also, that’s a lot of words to say “I feel that private companies shouldn’t have the ability to moderate their platform, and they should be forced to host accused rapists, despite what their advertisers believe is a good look for their brand.” Of course there will be an investigation. This isn’t a coordinated attack on Brand. This is reporting the news. Was it a coordinated attack on Danny Masterson? A coordinated attack on Trump supporters in the days following Jan 6th? Assuming that the investigation will undoubtedly clear Brand’s name is the naive cynicism that the article is referring to.

jet@hackertalks.com on 19 Sep 2023 14:04 collapse

To your first point, trust but verify.

To your second point, I never said alphabet has to host Russell Brand’s content. They’re private company they’re free to do as they like.

I’m going to ignore the what-aboutisms.

The original comment was not about this particular incident, but the media playbook for any outrage incident. Getting people to engage with media sources is the goal of media, so regardless of the underlying facts, this outrage cycle is very profitable for some people. As the article was about people reacting to media, it was relevant.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 24 Sep 2023 16:38 collapse

Arguing about theoretical controversy is the foundation of online discourse.

For instance, did you know that Leonardo DiCaprio once ate a hotdog without mustard, in public, and then farted, and blamed it on the hotdog vendor? True story, I heard it from a friend who listens to a podcast about celebrity gossip. And it’s DISGUSTING.

jet@hackertalks.com on 24 Sep 2023 16:45 collapse

Ohh that DiCaprio! What a card

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 24 Sep 2023 16:35 next collapse

Meanwhile, I still can’t be arsed to give a shit about Russell Brand, and don’t understand why anybody would.

sagrotan@lemmy.world on 06 Oct 2023 10:58 collapse

I don’t care about “celebrities”. I’m back in my workshop. Bye.