Essentially always pretend there’s a deadly and infinite laser coming from the muzzle.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 13:45
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Just to add to this, it’s a more helpful way to think about it, because people hear “don’t point it at” and they think of “pointing” as an intentional action, like gesturing or taking aim, instead of thinking about all the small ways that a weapon moves as you reposition it or transition from one grip to another, and so on.
A pretty good analogy. I’ve been taught that the gun is always loaded and ready to go unless it’s fully disassembled. Only exception is when you personally checked that it is not and the gun haven’t left your hands after checking it. And even then you don’t point it to anything you don’t want a hole in.
And the same rule applies no matter the type of gun you’re holding. A bb-gun, .22 or .308, pistol or long barrel or whatever, they are all always loaded.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 18:31
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While this is accurate and true, the laser rule, for the reasons described above, helps people to really visualize the danger created by a weapon as it moves around. Just saying “The gun is always loaded” isn’t enough. Too many people see this as simply a skill challenge, like “Well of course I’m not going to accidentally pull the trigger, I’m too good for that.”
I guess to put it another way, just thinking of the gun as always loaded isn’t enough, because at some point in the process of operating a firearm you inevitably have to do things with it while it’s loaded. So you have to teach people how to safely interact with a loaded firearm. The “always loaded” rule is really just affirming that whatever you would do with a loaded firearm, you do with every firearm.
A slightly different way to think it I guess. I’ve been also learned that intentionally pulling a trigger is not the only way to fire a gun. There’s always a possibilty for the mechanism to trigger if you accidentally bump the gun or drop it or trigger guard can get tangled with something or whatever, so the ‘laser pointer’ part is sort of included in that as you need to be aware at all times where the gun is pointing and how you move around and interact with it.
And it obviously applies to things like chambering a bullet, removing clip from the gun and so on. I’ve personally seen a .22lr pistol to fire when slide was released on reloading, it was a old gun with really dirty mechanism so just the bump from the slide hitting the frame of the gun was enough to trigger it.
But no matter what ever way or analogy you’ve been thaught to work with guns, proper handling does not kill or injure anyone, specially not in your living room.
meco03211@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 14:05
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You forgot about the like half liter of wine he had.
Dude probably never even stepped foot in a gun safety course beyond anything that was the bare minimum to legally get his gun, if there was even any requirements. I don’t know Texas law. Based on what he said to his daughter about sexual assault, he seems like a completely careless shit.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
on 14 Feb 13:13
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Yeah, SHE’S the one with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
bufalo1973@piefed.social
on 14 Feb 13:16
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I get that it was not intentional… but it’s still homicide (I guess; in Spain it’s that way if it was an accident).
TheRealKuni@piefed.social
on 14 Feb 13:21
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If it truly weren’t intentional (which it probably was, a Glock doesn’t just “go off” for no reason, as I understand), it would still be considered “manslaughter” here. He should’ve been indicted. This is insanity.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol
on 14 Feb 14:32
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TheRealKuni@piefed.social
on 14 Feb 14:39
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As someone who absolutely loved Archer, I have to recommend Hit-Monkey.
Now, I know people are sick of Marvel, but Hit-Monkey is BARELY Marvel. Especially season 1.
It’s animated by Floyd County Productions, same people who did Archer, and as for the plot, imagine that Archer were an assassin instead of a spy and that he were voiced by Jason Sudeikis instead of H Jon Benjamin and that he ends up as a ghost mentor for a monkey.
It’s fantastic. I binged the whole thing in two days this past week.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol
on 14 Feb 14:43
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I haven’t heard of this, will definitely check it out!
zikzak025@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 13:25
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That’s normally what the charge of “manslaughter” is supposed to be used for in the courts. Murder would be with intent, manslaughter is any other act with deadly consequence.
Why that didn’t happen in this case is beyond me.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 13:53
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There’s a whole list of charges below murder. Even “criminal negligence” FFS. That he wasn’t charged with something is ridiculous.
There’s absolutely zero chance it wasn’t intentional.
Dude was drunk and angry and shot her, and then immediately afterwards started feeling regret so he did what literally all reich-wingers do and refused to take responsibility for what he did
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 19:27
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It’s impossible for this to be unintentional, or it’s so negligent that there’s no difference. Guns do not just go off, and Glocks require an intentional trigger pull.
This reads like it never even went to trial. The article says a jury “failed to indict” and the man was “never charged”.
I’m assuming it was a grand jury and somehow a bare majority or jurors couldn’t find cause to charge the man (who—at minimum—pointed a gun at his daughter’s chest and pulled the trigger) with any crime whatsoever.
Unironically a foundational tenant of the entire country.
Some of us have just done a better job of moving past it. (Dems enabled Gaza genocide so I’m not talking about Dems, at least not the politicians. I mean some individuals.)
Yes. Totally on her. /s
If she had not been born yet, then things would have been a lot different. ‘dad’ had been on death-row before midnight
meco03211@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 14:04
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Grand jury. What little I’ve read keeps saying they tried for manslaughter. Also from what I’ve read, based on the dad’s own statements he’s clearly guilty of a number of crimes that aren’t manslaughter. So it’s possible there’s some nazi-esque camaraderie here and the prosecutor intentionally flopped to get no charges. I’m not exactly sure how grand juries work on that front. Could they have tried for a lower level charge, then once the rest of the investigation uncovers things they just bump the charge up to the appropriate level of would they need to reconvene a grand jury? Could the grand jury have considered multiple levels of charges?
Grand juries are different than trial juries in Texas. They’re nominated “respectable” members of society that serve terms for multiple months. It’s remnants of Jim Crow that are alive and well, where rich white guys decide who gets prosecuted for what.
And Texas made it even worse a few years back. In 2008, a white guy called 911 because police his neighbor’s house was being robbed. He indicated that the neighbor’s were not home, and also that he was gonna shoot the burglars. The dispatch told him over a dozen times not to interfere, and he repeatedly said he would shoot them. As plainclothes police were arriving on scene, dispatch told him they were arriving, but he went ahead and shot the 2 unarmed burglars in the back while.they were fleeing, killing both. They happened to be unarmed.
The grand jury refused to indict him for a crime, but the familes sued the murderer in civil court and won.
So Texas made a law that if someone is not convicted of a felony for a gun crime they can’t be sued in civil court over it.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 15:43
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So Texas made a law that if someone is not found convicted of a felony for a gun crime they can’t be sued in civil court over it.
They openly allowed armed civilian militias like the “Minutemen” and “United Constitutional Patriots” to detain and hold migrants at gunpoint until CBP arrived.
Hell - in the 80s a militia group calling itself the “Civiliian Military Assistant” was actually making border raids into Mexico to shoot on migrants before they crossed the border.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 16:56
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How much do we want to bet that the law wouldn’t apply if the shooter was black?
I knew that the US justice system was bad, but I at least hoped that some crimes would have to be trialed in court.
Thanks for the explanation.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 17:24
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Grand jury indictments are required for felony charges to make it to trial, including felonies like murder/involuntary manslaughter.
Indictments are a very low bar (probable cause). In this case, it seems clear to me from everyone’s accounts that, at minimum, this was a reckless homicide where the mishandling of a firearm resulted in someone’s death, and therefore probable cause existed to indict, so this is very clearly a poor decision on the jury’s part if the charge was manslaughter. I’m not sure if they tried to seek an indictment for involuntary manslaughter or murder though. Murder is a higher bar.
However this isn’t necessarily a done deal. Double jeopardy does not apply to grand juries’ “no bill” (i.e. the decision not to indict), so the prosecutor can gather more evidence or plan a different approach and try again. If, for example, they attempted to get an indictment for murder and failed, they could try again for manslaughter. This is really only news if the prosecution decides to stop trying to indict.
Hey look how about some sympathy for the gun owner here? He accidentally pointed a loaded weapon at a loved one while having a heated argument, and the gun felt scared and accidentally went off! By accident!
Really, that poor gun owner might be scared to point a loaded weapon at a loved one again! Don’t victim blame the poor owner!
“To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger,” the coroner said. “I find these actions to be reckless.”
Mmhmm.
swicano@programming.dev
on 14 Feb 13:55
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Ahhh, so “Honor killings” are now acceptable in the US.
funkajunk@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 14:03
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Always have been
null@piefed.nullspace.lol
on 14 Feb 14:30
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What’s another one?
datavoid@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 17:47
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BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 18:39
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Most lynching victims were have been (apparently people in the US are still lynching) accused of either murder or rape. So have a look at this NSFL Wikipedia article and look at the accusations en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_lynching_victims_in_th…
In some cases, especially closer to the present, lynchers have been prosecuted and sentenced, but it a lot of situations this wasn’t the case.
Research done by anti-lynching groups of that time period found that the majority of lynching victimes were owed money by white folks, usually as sharecroppers, and expected to be paid said money.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 14 Feb 14:56
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Then he ought to be put down, for his daughter’s honor.
HubertManne@piefed.social
on 14 Feb 14:00
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“Kris reportedly moved to the United States when his daughter was still a child, and had previously been to rehab for alcohol addiction. He allegedly confessed to relapsing on the day of the shooting and drinking roughly two cups of white wine.”
apparently its only bad when they send murders and rapists and they do not support trump or are part of his administration.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Feb 14:21
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“To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger,” the coroner said. “I find these actions to be reckless.”
Whoopsies! I usually make sure not to pull the trigger when casually pointing a loaded gun at a family member’s chest. But that’s just me being overly cautious.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 14 Feb 14:59
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I am baffled at how this doesn’t constitute premeditated murder. They had some argument and then guy’s like “know what? I know what I’m gonna do.” And did it. What freaking horror.
You missed the part where the guy said he didn’t mean to do that and he’s sorry.
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space
on 14 Feb 18:21
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“Jesus says to forgive…”
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 16:02
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I just accidentally beat my daughter to death. The bat just went off on it’s own. I was just showing her the bat then all of a sudden she was bludgeoned to death. I have no idea what happened!
not your fault. she was probably just too observant
theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 18:21
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Well glocks don’t have safeties and require you to pull the trigger to disassemble. Negligent discharges when trying to show them off to people absolutely do happen, and with how you have to hold the gun to take it apart the “don’t point at anything you don’t wish to shoot” rule gets overlooked a lot.
They’re the default “modern” handgun but I’ve always said they are a terrible design.
modernangel@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 14:26
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“Texas fash bootlicker faces no charges for disposing of woke foreigner who happened to be his daughter”
magnetosphere@fedia.io
on 14 Feb 15:48
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My hope is that he will feel tremendous guilt for the rest of his life, and that his rationalizations might fool others, but never him.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Feb 16:52
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Different circumstances obviously, but parallels to Renée Good; women who talk back get shot.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 18:20
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Well, if somebody threatens you, you should probably do something about that. As Megan and Kelly of The Devil Said Jump sings in “make me buy a gun” m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVk4I_htWE
[Chorus]
These motherfuckers are gonna make me buy a gun
I’m done with stressin’
Get my Smith and Wesson, on God
[Verse 1]
They come for my rights
‘Cause they can’t take my light
And they hate me for shining so bright
They come with their anger
But darlin’, they ain’t never met mine
[Verse 2]
They’re sorely mistaken if they thought
I’d lay down and die
Damn cowards had better come right for
The fight of their lives
[Chorus]
‘Cause these motherfuckers are gonna make me buy a gun
Sore losers restarted a fight
That we’ve already won
Alex Pretti bought a gun. They disarmed him and then killed him.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 19:32
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Yes, I once bought a vehicle from a little old lady who never used it. What’s the point in buying something for then to never use it?
Pretti had the background to expect lawful and reasonable behavior from the authorities. What Pretti then experienced was all but that. Now people should know better.
I think Pretti showed us that concealed carry is just a way to get killed. The Panthers had it right - open carry armed patrols.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz
on 14 Feb 17:46
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That’s because MURDER is PRO LIFE!
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 14 Feb 18:15
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Supposedly an accidental shooting according to the article.
But sounds fishy to me, and yes, he should be in prison whether it was accidental or not. It was either a death due to deadly negligence or he’s lying and murdered her, both of which should merit jail time.
Unfortunately guns are extra-legal here. The law or the people in most US cities doesn’t care if the shooting was supposedly accidental.
No, no, you don’t get it - he’s admitted that he was under the influence of alcohol while handling the weapon (which he was showing off to his famously anti-gun daughter in the basement into which she was not allowed prior), so it means he’s off the hook, it was basically an act of God! After all, how can we expect to punish people for what they’re doing while drunk, right?
I’ve been rewatching Bojack Horseman, and there’s an episode where Diane convinces the state to pass common-sense gun legislation by making it “in” for women to carry guns. The eventually leads to the line, “I can’t believe this country hates women more than it loves guns,” to which the character with her replies, “really?”
I think that moment is, unfortunately, rather poignant.
Basically Reagan (when he was governor of California) vs the black Panthers
masta_chief@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Feb 21:20
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Almost, she becomes a fan of guns after trying one and then women across the country all get guns to protect themselves from men. Men freak out and ban all guns in the US. But still one of my favorite lines.
“As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang,” Kris allegedly said. “I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.” WTF!!! It proves he pointed the gun at his daughter, which is a big fucking NO NO! Worse yet, the damn thing was locked and loaded. Fuck him, charge him with murder.
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only corporate media is to blame
Reported.
He was gonna teach her gun safety, with a loaded gun while not respecting trigger discipline or the laser rule?
I’d say that’s “a likely story” but the man’s a Trumper so it’s exactly the kind of stupid I’d expect.
Hadn’t heard “laser rule” before, I assume it’s the same as “don’t point it at anything you care about”.
Yes.
Essentially always pretend there’s a deadly and infinite laser coming from the muzzle.
Just to add to this, it’s a more helpful way to think about it, because people hear “don’t point it at” and they think of “pointing” as an intentional action, like gesturing or taking aim, instead of thinking about all the small ways that a weapon moves as you reposition it or transition from one grip to another, and so on.
Don't treat a gun like Tony Stark treats particle beams from an accelerator.
Yup.
It makes you think about not just where you point it, but everything it might “slice” as you handle it.
Or even how you set it down, or move around one sitting on table.
A pretty good analogy. I’ve been taught that the gun is always loaded and ready to go unless it’s fully disassembled. Only exception is when you personally checked that it is not and the gun haven’t left your hands after checking it. And even then you don’t point it to anything you don’t want a hole in.
And the same rule applies no matter the type of gun you’re holding. A bb-gun, .22 or .308, pistol or long barrel or whatever, they are all always loaded.
While this is accurate and true, the laser rule, for the reasons described above, helps people to really visualize the danger created by a weapon as it moves around. Just saying “The gun is always loaded” isn’t enough. Too many people see this as simply a skill challenge, like “Well of course I’m not going to accidentally pull the trigger, I’m too good for that.”
I guess to put it another way, just thinking of the gun as always loaded isn’t enough, because at some point in the process of operating a firearm you inevitably have to do things with it while it’s loaded. So you have to teach people how to safely interact with a loaded firearm. The “always loaded” rule is really just affirming that whatever you would do with a loaded firearm, you do with every firearm.
A slightly different way to think it I guess. I’ve been also learned that intentionally pulling a trigger is not the only way to fire a gun. There’s always a possibilty for the mechanism to trigger if you accidentally bump the gun or drop it or trigger guard can get tangled with something or whatever, so the ‘laser pointer’ part is sort of included in that as you need to be aware at all times where the gun is pointing and how you move around and interact with it.
And it obviously applies to things like chambering a bullet, removing clip from the gun and so on. I’ve personally seen a .22lr pistol to fire when slide was released on reloading, it was a old gun with really dirty mechanism so just the bump from the slide hitting the frame of the gun was enough to trigger it.
But no matter what ever way or analogy you’ve been thaught to work with guns, proper handling does not kill or injure anyone, specially not in your living room.
You forgot about the like half liter of wine he had.
After drinking, and right before leaving for the airport.
She did teach her gun safety. When not operated safely, guns can kill your daughter.
Yeah, stupid group of people can’t even do the thing they care most about correctly.
Dude probably never even stepped foot in a gun safety course beyond anything that was the bare minimum to legally get his gun, if there was even any requirements. I don’t know Texas law. Based on what he said to his daughter about sexual assault, he seems like a completely careless shit.
Wow, that’s shameful and disgusting.
Yeah, SHE’S the one with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I get that it was not intentional… but it’s still homicide (I guess; in Spain it’s that way if it was an accident).
If it truly weren’t intentional (which it probably was, a Glock doesn’t just “go off” for no reason, as I understand), it would still be considered “manslaughter” here. He should’ve been indicted. This is insanity.
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As someone who absolutely loved Archer, I have to recommend Hit-Monkey.
Now, I know people are sick of Marvel, but Hit-Monkey is BARELY Marvel. Especially season 1.
It’s animated by Floyd County Productions, same people who did Archer, and as for the plot, imagine that Archer were an assassin instead of a spy and that he were voiced by Jason Sudeikis instead of H Jon Benjamin and that he ends up as a ghost mentor for a monkey.
It’s fantastic. I binged the whole thing in two days this past week.
I haven’t heard of this, will definitely check it out!
That’s normally what the charge of “manslaughter” is supposed to be used for in the courts. Murder would be with intent, manslaughter is any other act with deadly consequence.
Why that didn’t happen in this case is beyond me.
There’s a whole list of charges below murder. Even “criminal negligence” FFS. That he wasn’t charged with something is ridiculous.
There’s absolutely zero chance it wasn’t intentional.
Dude was drunk and angry and shot her, and then immediately afterwards started feeling regret so he did what literally all reich-wingers do and refused to take responsibility for what he did
It’s impossible for this to be unintentional, or it’s so negligent that there’s no difference. Guns do not just go off, and Glocks require an intentional trigger pull.
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This reads like it never even went to trial. The article says a jury “failed to indict” and the man was “never charged”.
I’m assuming it was a grand jury and somehow a bare majority or jurors couldn’t find cause to charge the man (who—at minimum—pointed a gun at his daughter’s chest and pulled the trigger) with any crime whatsoever.
Not a single charge or trial?
How?
Texas
Also she was Anti-Trump. And a woman. So it’s okay.
They don’t consider it a crime if they don’t believe the victim is a person.
Unironically a foundational tenant of the entire country.
Some of us have just done a better job of moving past it. (Dems enabled Gaza genocide so I’m not talking about Dems, at least not the politicians. I mean some individuals.)
Yes. Totally on her. /s If she had not been born yet, then things would have been a lot different. ‘dad’ had been on death-row before midnight
Grand jury. What little I’ve read keeps saying they tried for manslaughter. Also from what I’ve read, based on the dad’s own statements he’s clearly guilty of a number of crimes that aren’t manslaughter. So it’s possible there’s some nazi-esque camaraderie here and the prosecutor intentionally flopped to get no charges. I’m not exactly sure how grand juries work on that front. Could they have tried for a lower level charge, then once the rest of the investigation uncovers things they just bump the charge up to the appropriate level of would they need to reconvene a grand jury? Could the grand jury have considered multiple levels of charges?
Grand juries are different than trial juries in Texas. They’re nominated “respectable” members of society that serve terms for multiple months. It’s remnants of Jim Crow that are alive and well, where rich white guys decide who gets prosecuted for what.
And Texas made it even worse a few years back. In 2008, a white guy called 911 because police his neighbor’s house was being robbed. He indicated that the neighbor’s were not home, and also that he was gonna shoot the burglars. The dispatch told him over a dozen times not to interfere, and he repeatedly said he would shoot them. As plainclothes police were arriving on scene, dispatch told him they were arriving, but he went ahead and shot the 2 unarmed burglars in the back while.they were fleeing, killing both. They happened to be unarmed.
The grand jury refused to indict him for a crime, but the familes sued the murderer in civil court and won.
So Texas made a law that if someone is not convicted of a felony for a gun crime they can’t be sued in civil court over it.
This is how you get vigilantes.
That’s the idea.
They openly allowed armed civilian militias like the “Minutemen” and “United Constitutional Patriots” to detain and hold migrants at gunpoint until CBP arrived.
Hell - in the 80s a militia group calling itself the “Civiliian Military Assistant” was actually making border raids into Mexico to shoot on migrants before they crossed the border.
How much do we want to bet that the law wouldn’t apply if the shooter was black?
I knew that the US justice system was bad, but I at least hoped that some crimes would have to be trialed in court.
Thanks for the explanation.
Grand jury indictments are required for felony charges to make it to trial, including felonies like murder/involuntary manslaughter.
Indictments are a very low bar (probable cause). In this case, it seems clear to me from everyone’s accounts that, at minimum, this was a reckless homicide where the mishandling of a firearm resulted in someone’s death, and therefore probable cause existed to indict, so this is very clearly a poor decision on the jury’s part if the charge was manslaughter. I’m not sure if they tried to seek an indictment for involuntary manslaughter or murder though. Murder is a higher bar.
However this isn’t necessarily a done deal. Double jeopardy does not apply to grand juries’ “no bill” (i.e. the decision not to indict), so the prosecutor can gather more evidence or plan a different approach and try again. If, for example, they attempted to get an indictment for murder and failed, they could try again for manslaughter. This is really only news if the prosecution decides to stop trying to indict.
Some states do require a grand jury indictment if its a crime that carries capital punishment. Like murder.
Could be a case where they went for a specific murder charge, but weren’t able to support it.
Or the prosecutor was implicit
Complicit
“If a district attorney wanted, a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.”
I don’t think the district attorney tried to do more than the bare minimum for the indictment. I wonder if they purposely threw the case.
“Justice for Mama Cass!”
Hey look how about some sympathy for the gun owner here? He accidentally pointed a loaded weapon at a loved one while having a heated argument, and the gun felt scared and accidentally went off! By accident!
Really, that poor gun owner might be scared to point a loaded weapon at a loved one again! Don’t victim blame the poor owner!
Mmhmm.
Ahhh, so “Honor killings” are now acceptable in the US.
Always have been
What’s another one?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
Most lynching victims
werehave been (apparently people in the US are still lynching) accused of either murder or rape. So have a look at this NSFL Wikipedia article and look at the accusations en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_lynching_victims_in_th…In some cases, especially closer to the present, lynchers have been prosecuted and sentenced, but it a lot of situations this wasn’t the case.
Research done by anti-lynching groups of that time period found that the majority of lynching victimes were owed money by white folks, usually as sharecroppers, and expected to be paid said money.
Then he ought to be put down, for his daughter’s honor.
“Kris reportedly moved to the United States when his daughter was still a child, and had previously been to rehab for alcohol addiction. He allegedly confessed to relapsing on the day of the shooting and drinking roughly two cups of white wine.”
apparently its only bad when they send murders and rapists and they do not support trump or are part of his administration.
Ah yes, the “good” kind of immigrant…
Er….how? Not even a little charge??
Whoopsies! I usually make sure not to pull the trigger when casually pointing a loaded gun at a family member’s chest. But that’s just me being overly cautious.
I am baffled at how this doesn’t constitute premeditated murder. They had some argument and then guy’s like “know what? I know what I’m gonna do.” And did it. What freaking horror.
You missed the part where the guy said he didn’t mean to do that and he’s sorry.
“Jesus says to forgive…”
I just accidentally beat my daughter to death. The bat just went off on it’s own. I was just showing her the bat then all of a sudden she was bludgeoned to death. I have no idea what happened!
not your fault. she was probably just too observant
Well glocks don’t have safeties and require you to pull the trigger to disassemble. Negligent discharges when trying to show them off to people absolutely do happen, and with how you have to hold the gun to take it apart the “don’t point at anything you don’t wish to shoot” rule gets overlooked a lot.
They’re the default “modern” handgun but I’ve always said they are a terrible design.
“Texas fash bootlicker faces no charges for disposing of woke foreigner who happened to be his daughter”
My hope is that he will feel tremendous guilt for the rest of his life, and that his rationalizations might fool others, but never him.
He’s literally a remorseless psychopath.
He had told her he wouldn’t mind if she was raped, because he had two other daughters.
So no, he’ll feel no guilt for murdering his daughter.
Charming fellow
that I don’t get at all! As soon as I know someone even thinks of raping mine, I know which of my axes will be in my hand
Well he’s an alcoholic so his life was probably already full of regrets and numbing the pain.
Cool. My hope is the boyfriend disagrees with this outcome.
hopefully this piece of shit has a resurgence with his drinking problem that will lead to an ugly demise. fuck you and all your failures Texas
Different circumstances obviously, but parallels to Renée Good; women who talk back get shot.
Well, if somebody threatens you, you should probably do something about that. As Megan and Kelly of The Devil Said Jump sings in “make me buy a gun” m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVk4I_htWE
Alex Pretti bought a gun. They disarmed him and then killed him.
Yes, I once bought a vehicle from a little old lady who never used it. What’s the point in buying something for then to never use it?
Pretti had the background to expect lawful and reasonable behavior from the authorities. What Pretti then experienced was all but that. Now people should know better.
I think Pretti showed us that concealed carry is just a way to get killed. The Panthers had it right - open carry armed patrols.
That’s because MURDER is PRO LIFE!
Supposedly an accidental shooting according to the article.
But sounds fishy to me, and yes, he should be in prison whether it was accidental or not. It was either a death due to deadly negligence or he’s lying and murdered her, both of which should merit jail time.
Unfortunately guns are extra-legal here. The law or the people in most US cities doesn’t care if the shooting was supposedly accidental.
No, no, you don’t get it - he’s admitted that he was under the influence of alcohol while handling the weapon (which he was showing off to his famously anti-gun daughter in the basement into which she was not allowed prior), so it means he’s off the hook, it was basically an act of God! After all, how can we expect to punish people for what they’re doing while drunk, right?
Abort a dead baby? “That’s a life sentence, you filthy murdering bitch!”
Shoot daughter for Donvict Drumpf? “There’s not enough evidence to prove it was murder. We are just going to let him get away with it!”
Guns have more rights than women in this country.
guns don’t kill people, women kill people.
she killed herself by arguing with a man.
/s
#choosethebear
#LowHangingFruitRageBait
#IfThisMakesSomeoneMadTheyShouldn’tBeHere
I’ve been rewatching Bojack Horseman, and there’s an episode where Diane convinces the state to pass common-sense gun legislation by making it “in” for women to carry guns. The eventually leads to the line, “I can’t believe this country hates women more than it loves guns,” to which the character with her replies, “really?”
I think that moment is, unfortunately, rather poignant.
Basically Reagan (when he was governor of California) vs the black Panthers
Almost, she becomes a fan of guns after trying one and then women across the country all get guns to protect themselves from men. Men freak out and ban all guns in the US. But still one of my favorite lines.
The people that were on that jury are human fecal matter.
conservative mischief this.
Okay, but, even ruled an accident, why is this guy not up for manslaughter charges? Do I grossly misunderstand what manslaughter is?
This is definitely some smoking gun tier bullshit, but even given every benefit of the doubt in the world, the negligence has to be criminal.
It’s a small town. He’s probably buddies with all the cops and DAs. That shit is super common.
they really don’t care, man. talk to some boomers sometimes they desperately need to be forced into retirement and group homes.
Texas is a shithole.
Jesus H. Christ, hot damn.
Did you know that the H stands for Harold.
ie. Hark the Harold’s angels sing
I didn’t kill her, the bullet and impact did.
Lawless shithole country.
“As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang,” Kris allegedly said. “I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.” WTF!!! It proves he pointed the gun at his daughter, which is a big fucking NO NO! Worse yet, the damn thing was locked and loaded. Fuck him, charge him with murder.
Exactly this. I was taught not to point a gun at anything I don’t intend to destroy, even if I believe it not to be loaded.
Anything less than that is negligent manslaughter at the least if the gun ‘goes off’ ‘by accident’, because you should never be in that situation.