Trump is living in a Russian-made 'disinformation space,' says Ukraine's Zelenskyy
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 12:45
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 12:45
https://lemmy.world/post/25783401
Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Donald Trump of living in a “Russian-made disinformation space” due to his administration’s talks with Kremlin officials.
He urged Trump’s team to be “more truthful” after Trump blamed Kyiv for the war and downplayed U.S. aid contributions.
Zelenskyy’s remarks came as U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg visited Kyiv amid shifting U.S. policy on Russia. Meanwhile, European leaders, feeling sidelined by U.S.-Russia talks, held emergency meetings.
Zelenskyy canceled a Saudi Arabia trip in protest.
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Zelenskyy is completely right on here.
He isn’t, he is still polite to give Donnie a benefit of a doubt, like he is speaking like that because he’s got malinformed. No, Trump uses his position to exchange Ukraine and the security of Europe for whatever he was promised or he himself promised beforehand for his success in pres campaign previosly, so he just closes his debts. Zelensky couldn’t say that to Trump all other countries and his own nation are paper tokens he uses to play monopoly with his friends. Ukrainian defence depend too deeply on what Biden’s given them before so as a diplomat he doesn’t want to cross out the US even though he knows that with Trump they’d hardly get anything. And it’s not about the US specifically, it’s a standard that keeps every other donor comfortable to donate arms and money, setting the climate in which no random and immidiate decisions pass, unlike what Trump does.
Yah, Zelensky has blood on his hands. He’s responsible for a large majority of Ukrainian deaths, as Putin is responsible for Russian deaths. It’s Zelensky that has decided it’s ‘fight till death or NATO saves us’ while refusing to find other solutions. I feel nauseous when people call him a hero. He’s a power hungry ‘nice guy’ who is more interested in fame and wealth than saving Ukrainian lives.
Right… remind me who started this “3 day special military operation”? It was Zelenskyy right? Oh wait no it wasn’t. They only other solution was let russia take over all of Ukraine. Why are you defending putin? All those dead Ukrainians are his fault.
Pay no mind to the obvious troll/Russian boy/Republican (I mean who can tell the difference these days)
I’m an American woman. Love bigots getting it wrong
Then why are you posting on here and not in the kitchen?
Wow, that was really good. So original. I’m sure your dad is really proud of you for that one.
Really? You had someone blaming Ukraine for Ukraine war and the best you could come up with was misoginy? You really got all the way down to their level there.
lol you have my old user name from a different platform. I didn’t blame it on Ukraine. If my mother abuses me and I become an abuser, is it my fault? Technically no? Is it my responsibility, yes. He didn’t ‘start a war’ but for Ukrainians, he’s the one responsible for resolving the issue.
Thats the joke
Gonna mess our mind?
Russian bot
The new npc insult.
Says the llm.
Is American supposed to mean anything when the Republicans are indoctrinated into Russian disinformation and salivating over a Putin 2.0?
American might as well mean Russian shill, and is being a woman supposed to mean anything? What does you gender have to do with your political affiliations.
How much time do you spend online a day?
Since you want to attack me instead of investigate, I’ll tell you why I mentioned gender. Sexiest commenters assumed I was a man so I corrected them to break a bias that only men would say what I say.
You mentioned it because they were rightly calling out your obvious bias and misrepresentation. And that was tiniest smallest shred of anything you could push back on. No more no less. And to this point you have still not defended your possession in any way shape or form. Simply playing off imagined sexism and bigotry pretending to be the victim. Just like you’re pretending that Ukrainian isn’t.
You also claim to be mansplaining things and use bitch freely as a pejorative to describe other posters views.
And 63 comments, some of them quite long-winded. You joined less than a day ago.
My suspicion is that you are a bot, in spite of your claim that Lemmy is too young to have bots. The folks that have been here a while know that is certainly not the case.
So what is it, you are a chat GPT model that has been told to pretend it’s a conservative woman working for the department of defense or the department of energy?
One day old account with only negative point comments relating to Trump and Ukraine
lol I commented in two posts and joined today. Am I supposed to not comment until you think my account is worthy?
With “Ops” in the name, no less.
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No, he’s not. He’s an actor playing a role so he can continue to grow his net worth by the millions.
your whole account is taking L’s. Go back to reddit!
Is it? I don’t see
I know, that’s the unfortunate part.
I think you are confusing Zelensky with Putin? The later’s enigmatic but substantial personal wealth is well reported.
The republican traitor filth must be held to account.
Grow up. It’s not red vs blue. It’s billionaires vs peasants.
The irony of this comment.
What is the irony?
That you cheerlead worst of the wealthy. And then disingenuously say that like it wipes away everything else you’ve done. People can clearly see you’re disingenuous.
Do I? Can you show me where I ‘cheerleaded the wealthy?’
Genuinely, I’m waiting. I assume you are bigoted and you are assuming my opinions, or that you have misconstrued my words with your own bias into something I never said. Ppl bitch not my 2 day old account but then say I’ve been on here long enough to ‘cheerlead the wealthy.’ Can’t be both.
Trump and Musk literally got regular phone mentoring on how to do what they’re doing (shape and install an official Oligarchy). You don’t need to create an information space when the participants are willingly taking direct lessons and coaching from Putin.
Russia got Ukraine’s territories, USA wants to obtain something from Ukraine resources too to protect them. UE should ask for something too from Ukraine to protect them from both USA and Russia. Or at least pretend to do it so that the two bad guys think we’re bad guys too.
I don’t get it. How will they sell to the people this total capitulation? I’m not American. As far as I’m informed people there don’t like and don’t trust Russia and Putin. Won’t they see this deal and be like wtf?
There are people here who will tell you that they would trust the Russian government more than their neighbor, if their neighbor ever suggested that industry should be regulated.
I stopped being nice to those neighbors. Feed your own cats. No I’m not turning the music down. Get fucked traitors.
That conjured a great mental image for me of old man Putin setting out little bowls for neighborhood cats with the faces of Elon and Trump.
I’ve heard it said that Putin is actually the world’s richest man, worth over $1 trillion. I could believe it.
They don’t have their own thoughts anymore; they love trump so much, they’re just going along with whatever he says and he says he likes Russia, so they’ve done a complete about-face on the subject.
It was never really about Russia or Putin, but the ideological divide between capitalism and socialism. And authoritarianism and democracy.
Now, we have an authoritarian president. And apparently a third of the country voted for that so. Yeah that’s where Americans are at sadly.
The word President implies authority. No, Trump is not an authoritarian. Yes, he has displayed authoritarian tendencies. Trump is not Hitler. Take a second to google ‘worlds best leaders’ and you see a lots of people who were never leading entire countries but just led culture, like Ghandi. It’s reasonable to conclude that most humans do not view any political leader as best or the greatest when they hold authority over other people. A leader is only considered good when they don’t have power over the population.
That’s clearly false. He is actively attempting to expand presidential authority at the cost of the Congress, courts and federal agencies. He’s also replacing staff very agressively, installing loyalists whom he expects to do what he says. He has already gradually purged internal opposition within the Republican party, and continues work towards that end.
The essence of authoritarianism is grabbing more power (accompanied by claims of needing it for legitimate purposes) - with dictatorship at the far end.
Just ask ChatGPT, look up the definition of the word, use google AI … put in any effort to verify your assumptions or false information is true. And type behavior like Nixon, yes. He does not fit the definition of an authoritarian.
Here, since you need what the definition is. I’m not sure how you don’t think trump isn’t authoritarian. He’s a fucking wanna be dictator, and he’s consolidating his powers more and more.
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We’re not talking about 2020.
And I would be really surprised if ChatGPT would give you a straight answer on the current administration.
lol although the San Francisco based OpenAI Inc. removed their company policy claiming to be politically unbiased last month, the current AI and crypto czar, Angel investor for Facebook, Uber, and Air BnB, has repeatedly accused OpenAI Inc of being liberal. For the above reasons, it’s most logical to assume ChatGPT will not become TrumpGPT without significant and obvious ‘noise.’
Capitalist competition attacking each other with accusations of being too liberal doesn’t make an organization liberal.
Open AI is branching into military contracting. That should tell you everything you need to know about their political positions and aspirations with the new administration.
Basically anyone who is a fed could have seen from 3 decades away that the gov wants AI for weapons. While Open AI is involved as a government contractor (which introduces new regulations), the Feds have been poaching ‘ML/AI pros from places like Google and meta for the past 5 years. There are a shocking number of ‘super computer’ engineers working at the labs. I disagree that National security is divided among parties. It’s called ‘the mission’ because it’s a big ominous thing beyond laws. I love working with the DOE/DoD because you aren’t allowed to talk about politics at work. Can be fired for it. That’s great! Keeps things way less political.
None of what you said disagrees with my post.
Open AI is courting the current authoritarian administration, they want some of that defense contractor money.
So what if it gives them more rules to follow. We both know those rules will be gone soon. And we both know that the money is worth it to them.
They are not liberal, they are capitalists chasing money. And they will say whatever they need to in order to follow that money. Which means they need to stay on the side of the authoritarian who will actually pay them.
The AI chats don’t seem to give a straight answer on ANY issue. They always give a waffle-y answer that tries to account for ‘both sides’
Well, that’s how unbiased thinking works. Very rarely is there one truly ‘right side’ but most human experiences have sides where both sides have benefits and downfalls. It’s bigots, the hateful and prejudice who think the world is divided into ‘good’ and ‘bad’ people.
Sure, but that makes it unhelpful as a source if it always picks the null hypothesis (for lack of a better way to describe what it’s doing)
Chat gpt it’s not a source lol
It’s a free brain. You can do the research and come back but ChatGPT seems smarter than most people.
It’s a plagiarism machine it doesn’t think. It’s not smart, it’s not a brain. But you’re correct in your statement that it’s “smarter than most people” but that’s not a good thing.
Donald Trump is authoritarian. Rather or not the United States can keep him in check is a different question
And since you were so big on being pedantic, scroll back up and see what I said. I said President Trump is an authoritarian.
He wants to be king, he wants to be like Putin, he admires people like Hitler.
I’m talking about his attitudes and intentions. Not rather or not the US qualifies as an authoritarian regime. We will find out the answer to that question very soon.
He’s a toddler who is going to push the boundaries until they break. And if anyone tells him no, he’s going to throw a fit. What happens after that, will answer the question.
But my initial comment, was about Trump’s character. Not if the union currently qualifies. I think how they start responding to mass protests in the spring will let us know for sure.
I fully expect state violence and suppression will be the response. At which point you can eat all of your words.
From chatGPT: “Donald Trump is often described as having authoritarian tendencies, but whether he can be classified as a “true authoritarian leader” is debated. While he has demonstrated some characteristics that align with authoritarianism—such as a disregard for democratic norms, an emphasis on strong, centralized leadership, and a penchant for undermining checks and balances—he has not fully implemented the institutional changes or widespread repression typically associated with authoritarian regimes.
Key authoritarian tendencies in Trump’s leadership style include:
However, several factors complicate the argument that Trump is a “true” authoritarian:
So, while Trump exhibited several authoritarian behaviors, he did not fully embrace the comprehensive, systematic authoritarian rule seen in other countries or historical figures. Whether this was due to institutional constraints or his own leadership limitations is a subject of ongoing analysis.”
Again, this isn’t 2020. That information is outdated and obviously came from earlier training data. Yet you keep citing it as your source.
The most telling statistic about Russia’s trustworthiness is that every single independent country that shares a border with Russia on the West has mandatory military service and those in the same region without a shared border with Russia don’t.
Don’t like? Disagree. There are Russian people all over America. Don’t trust? Yes, America doesn’t trust Russia and the average American would be slightly nervous in Russia. The rest of the world needs to learn that since America is the most racially diverse country on earth, America as a whole is unable to hate entire ethnic group.
There are surveys done.
Do you genuinely think there is a survey system comprehensive enough to get the opinion of a country with 330 million people that’s reliable enough to depend on? Can you even example how distribute it across all states?
Your are asking ppl in an echo chambers a multi faceted question. If you want a real answer, it will take more work.
And you are not only unhelpful, but also rude. Bye.
Not anymore. Much of America is stuck in an information space that sees Russia/Putin as oppressed by liberal propaganda, like they supposedly are.
Much of America doesn’t care, or will see warped versions of this news.
Look at poll exit interviews of Americans, or more recent focus groups. We don’t “see” the same realities anymore, and it’s getting worse.
Wherever you are, friend, beg your country to block or regulate Twitter/Facebook/Tiktok and point to us as what happens when you don’t.
America is living in a disinformation space. There is a reason Musk bought Twitter, and it’s not because he thought he could make it better for users.
See also: hyperreality
Also the reason why Saudis funded it. They want a piece of the post truth pie. But why did Elon even bother with the Saudi money? Is it as simple as wanting to keep the high score?
He paid $44 billion for twitter (of his and others’ money) but the presidency of the richest country on earth only cost $250 million? It doesn’t add up at all.
He doesn’t have money. He has assets. That means he need’s to take out a loan against his assets. And who would have done such a thing for a money pit that was twitter?
I suspect it was planned out. He “jokingly” says he wanted to buy twitter. Courts say it was a legitimate offer and he has to go through with it. He protested for a moment then says oh well, ya got me. Commence purges that likely had to do with political beliefs, then here we are, buying the president of the USA for 1/176th the price of twitter. I’m just rambling here but where’s the missing piece? Or is it just that cut and dry?
Rambling a bit
Same thought came to mind two days ago. In retrospect, that Twitter purchase appears so excellent as to make the attempted backtracking look contrived and intentional.
But there are other possible explanations. Maybe he jumped the gun before his planning partners had agreed to.
And I’m reminded there doesn’t need to be any conspiracy here because I can’t think of what would have been different if the purchase were announced as a one intended to influence politics.
Wasn’t he pushing the angle that Twitter falsely stated the user base because of the high numbers of bots and therefore falsely stated the business value? I think he was trying to push the sale value down. I could easily be wrong, I didnt follow it closely.
Ppl don’t get it. They yell ‘give all his money to us’ but then the stock market crashes when billions of ‘dollars’ are pulled out of the system. I think he was reported to have sold stocks pre-twitter sales but he didn’t have the cash up front. He probably takes no salary and just pulls from company profits into an estate fund like it’s his bank account so most of his wealth is in his companies. Twitter has turned into the red pill space we would expect of America and not the Saudis prolly because Saudis put in 1/44th of the money it took to buy Twitter. There are millions of other multi millionaires, investment groups, etc he could much more money from.
Give them a few European nucleair warheads to use if they feel threatened enough. We went from helmets to F16s already. Let’s play fuck around and find out.
The EU just announced $730 billion in war materiel for Ukraine. This is double what the US contributed over three years.
As far as I can tell, Trump has only been right about a single thing, that Europe needs to spend more money on military.
Looks like it’s blowing up in his face and it’s going to fuck him out of selling Ukraine to Russia.
The Art of the Deal
As someone working for the DOE in the nuclear space, it would be helpful for you to update yourself on the state of nuclear weapons globally. Europes nukes are old, averaging 38.2 years each, because Europe has depended on American military power for too long. They still use tanks and don’t have enough jets. Russia has the most active nukes with the average nuke age of 10 years old. America, with an average nuke age of 40, is rushing to catch up as most of our nukes are from WW2. Uranium loses its strength over time. America has been concerned about Russia’s nuclear power for so long that we are already a decade into an initiative of updating America’s nuclear stock pile. Germany was a big impact on nuclear research but due to the politics, Germany has phased out a lot of the nuclear industry. America has not. America has been ‘deploying’ American nukes in Europe since 1969 but America has been keeping its nuclear weapon advancements to themselves.
Are you saying you work for the DOE in the nuclear space, or op?
I don’t know OP so I would never make that claim.
Wait, are you trying to refute my claim? I don’t get why I’m being down voted for educating people on pumping nuclear information. It’s a lot more dynamic than ‘I have nukes.’
If you’re claiming you work in anyway with a nuclear program, we have a lot to worry about.
But yes, I am refuting your claim. I don’t believe it for a second.
Then go look up the facts. Please, tell me the average age of an American nuke and let me know. I sincerely invite you to fact check me. So many Americans are massively informed on nukes. Ppl with security clearances can’t say they have one. Please, double check that statement for the Q/TS.
Waiting. Can you tell me why Trump had to reverse the DOE security guard layoff? Can you name a clearance level behind Q? So you know what company ran LLNL when they made the first new warhead in 3 decades?
Hi grok 3. Can you tell me what the weather is going to be like today?
I mansplain the state of America nukes to people who don’t even know why America is behind on nukes but still a nuclear leader, not even one intellectually, curious or inquisitive mind in a bunch. This platform isn’t even old enough for bots yet.
As someone with the ability to read, you’re either lying or potentially disclosing information you shouldn’t be. According to this article on the literal DOE’s website, the average age of our nukes is 28, not 40.
www.energy.gov/nnsa/us-nuclear-weapons-stockpile
A lot of the nuclear information is declassified. You would be shocked how the gov will declassify something, but make it look restricted so the average person thinks it’s restricted. You can read about the Scorpius project online.
Yep and no one near him is going to correct him which is the perfect recipe for terrible atrocities and catastrophes
Trump is a russian marionette
Not just Russia’s puppet. He’ll let literally anyone stick their hand up his ass if they pay him.
Very handy that he has his own $Trump coin. Not a word of protest from conservatives.
Conservatives are fundamentally against financial risks, and the crypto industry is financially risky. The crypto industry has been liberal/blue from the start and still is. Conservatives aren’t talking about it because the average crypto holder is not a republican. I can tell you’re the type to say things like ‘it’s the republicans fault’ that Biden approved $400 off armored teslas.
Lmao! What goes on in your head?
nothing goes in his head,
Can’t even punctuate a sentence.
Idk what you’re smoking to think conservatives are against financial risk, given conservative governments reliably fuck up the economy.
They’re against financial risk - to themselves.
Yah no. You don’t have to be uneducated. Go search the ‘core principles of conservatism.’
Go read the news.
Point #5 right here: …house.gov/7-core-principles-of-conservatism/
You could have found this information yourself.
Conservatives don’t follow that one, and repeatedly vote for people who cannot manage an economy at all.
If I tell you one of my core principles is that all life is sacred, and then I go out hunting, start a couple wars and in general kill a ton of people and animals, me telling you about my core principles is just lying.
Conservatives reliably cannot manage an economy, in fact the US has voted someone in who can’t even run a fucking casino. Conservatives are not the side of good economics, no matter how often they lie saying they are.
Buddy, decide if you want to push your propaganda or if you want to believe in reality. But stop playing this role of denying facts and history to serve your agenda. You could open your eyes and see a self proclaimed conservative president reducing the federal debt because conservatives are fiscally reserved, or you can choose to stay misinformed but you can’t rationalize this ‘conservatives are everything bad in the world so they are both over and under spenders’ mentality.
“Mike Johnson says this” doesn’t make it reality. Or factual.
As for factual:
investopedia.com/democrats-vs-republicans-who-had…
I know you don’t genuinely want to know why conservatives are seen as fiscally conservative (it’s in the name), but I’ll explain. Republicans and conservatives are different things kind of like leftist and liberals are different things. Conservatives are seen as financially conservative they want to encourage family wealth, they want rely on family instead of the gov(can’t afford to lose the family fortune), and they tend towards ‘traditional’ (conservative) jobs/industries like oil and banking (instead of crypto and self driving/EVs, that are more risky for layoffs, closures, crashes and overwork). Republicans are seen as fiscally conservative because they want a smaller government and a smaller government doesn’t need to be funded so much so the taxes don’t need to be raised. The national debt is this black hole of doom that I thought we had all agreed we would just tolerate until the world exploded and I’m personally stunned to see any president try to reduce the national deficit.
You got your link from a Republican’s office.
No no see, they SAID they were more fiscally conservative so it’s 100% true!
/s
They are not reducing the debt because they are fiscally conservative, that’s the sound byte they play for idiot suckers. All they are doing is cutting shit until it fails so they can point to it about how much “government doesn’t work” then they can just turn it into a privatized contract to price gouge the shit out of people for the same service they used to get much much more efficiently and cheaper than when it was part of the government.
The real shinning example here is the Health Insurance industry, which, as shown by basically every country that isn’t a crappy hell hole, runs much better when it’s centralize and universally the same for everyone.
But the US can’t seem to grasp that and instead we get endlessly rising costs because profits profits profits! On top of needing it to be a mechanism to strip elderly people of as much wealth as possible to prevent the unwashed masses from ever actually gaining any sort of generational wealth and power.
So who was buying the trump coin?
Idk you can tell me? Probably young investors who don’t remember a time before crypto. Young ppl have historically been more ‘left liberal.’ Historically, crypto grew in Americas most liberal cities, hence why crypto is historically associated with democrats. Hence why red states like Montana creating crypto friendly legislation seem so ‘progressive.’ No one uses the word progressive to describe republicans.
Okay, so you don’t understand that it was trump’s supporters.
The entirety of your comment history reads like a manifesto written by someone who has taken to many stims.
Sorry, but there is no data on that. I can assume but it’s not a fact so I’m not going to claim I know a fact that I don’t. Thanks for following me though
lol ‘don’t understand.’ Our society Rob, so many people of their own personal authority that everyone is so desperate to grass an opportunity to feel better or higher than someone else. Here you are thinking that I can’t bother to assume the people who are going to financially support a political leader would be the supporters. That level of intelligence would be a mental disability, putting me into protected person’s category and you making fun of it would be you making fun of the disabled. I’m clearly not that mentally disabled so it’s just you grasping at your opportunity to feel better than someone else because you have to spend so much of your life being a cuck to society or the system. We all have to spend our lives being cucks. That’s why Luigi did it. M
Most people in crypto are drawn to it the same way people are to gambling apps. Politics means shit and it’s just full of people chasing after get rich quick scheme and fixating the price and trying to convince people to keep buying so they can offload their bag. Who the hell plays up crypto like it’s some liberal stance when it’s been mainstream for years.
I do agree that politics don’t impact crypto in a huge amount but to call crypto republican is wildly false and ignores all of crypto history.
that is not true one bit, alot of republicans, conservative buy into crypto alot they take alot more risks. someone youtubers bought into cryptos during the SBF crash that someone peddled to them on the channel, and they all love trump, when it crashed they all lost a ton of money 1million+each, none of them were so-called liberals. they take alot more risks than you think. also studies have shown that conservatives fall for scams much easier than democrats. i think you are just pulling things out of your behind.
You don’t think crypto was started in the most liberal city in America, San Francisco? You don’t think a majority of the crypto companies are owned by people from culturally liberal places from culturally liberal schools from elite families? I’m not trying to explain but, conservatives are into banking and insurance. Tech is history risky and a core part of conservatism is avoiding fiscal risk. I don’t know about the Trump coin. I quit Avalanche and went to the DOE in 2021 and avoided the space since.
Lol crypto did not “start” in San Francisco. And if that’s so incredibly wrong, there is no point of even considering anything else you wrote.
Yah it didn’t ‘start’ but again, all the major starting crypto companies are from SF, NY, western Europe; all liberal ‘progressive’ western political Mecca’s. Not from Lebanon, Kansas City, or religiously dominated countries. You again with my old user name.
I mean, if you’re gonna engage in disinformation then at least read the wikipedia page on whatever topic you are targetting so you can come up with something that’s more believable. Disinfo is most effective when it is based on some true information taken out of context.
Oh, I think you’re doing just fine on that front. (And let’s not pretend like “proof” or “evidence” have any relevance when making claims that not only have no basis in reality, like “conservatives don’t talk about crypto”, but obviously seek to supplant it).
But again, you’d be much more effective if you dress up facts rather than fiction. You also need to build up to the absurd, not start with it. You can’t just convince people that reality is actually the opposite of what is perceived. You first need to shake up trust in consensus based reality and basic scientific knowledge, and only then start to gradually inteoduce the spectacle in a piecemeal fashion.
Funny how all the Crypto bros fell in line with Maga when they were so liberal and blue and so many of the Billionaire backers of the repulican party are also into crypto. Also funny how we now have our first Crypto tzar under republican Trump.
Biden asked for companies to make a bid on EV armoured cars, Tesla was the only bidder and it was not concluded when Biden left office.
Most people are cowards. Many live in survival mode. Wealth makes lives so much better that most people have a sell out price. It’s better to expect that others will sell out to wealth than old and altruistic idea that humans ‘shouldn’t’ have a sell out price. It’s personal morals, kind of like only fans. Some people think it’s really bad, some think it’s great. Overall, we allow it to happen because that’s human tendency.
The Crypto Industry is full of Libertarian idiots who are not Liberal/Blue in any way shape of form. Its just another scam tool for assholes to sucker idiots out of money and it’s never ever going to amount to anything more than that.
Yep he’s trying to fool everyone by stopping all aid WITH EXCEPTION ESPECIALLY FOR UKRAINE.
Still sends them weapons.
He unilaterally withdrew from the missile treaties with Russia (immensely aggressive and dangerous) and put missiles in Romania.
It really makes sense doesn’t it?
Your account must be this old --> XX days to roll the Rollercoaster
Stop. this platform hasn’t been around long enough for bots. You’re just being a bully for no reason but to be mean. It’s a waste of your time and energy.
Oh, sorry 18 hs account
Almost as much of a waste of time as creating alt accounts solely to defend Russian geopolitics?
Honestly, what is the point of pretending to be a leftist while defending the Russian oligarchs? I get critical of the American oligarchs, but what is the point of cheerleading an even more hierarchical and violent form of capitalist imperialism?
Look it’s back with another banger!
Did it take you a whole day to come up with this very original beauty?
Jeez are you trying to kill me with cringe and boredom?
You are so wierd
Sure stalker
Why do you keep talking to me?
You can only get more ridiculed and humiliated.
You are a little detached from reality
Germ?
Hello, I am watching your work with great interest. (well until you are inevitably banned)
This is what our so free democratic leaders choose for us.
We’ll decide what ‘news’ to consume and what opinion you can have or express.
And then you have the bots, opreatives or bootlickers encouraging banning to protect the regime echo chamber.
It is surprisingly ‘normal’ here. Even if I got banned from horrible lemm.ee and some of my comments removed (while others made much worse about me and are still there since they The fediverse is still too small so unimportant.
When it explodes like Reddit did it will get their own Jessica Ashoosh and consequent mass (ghost)banning, Eglin airforce base operatives and bots.
Until then you people will have to deal with the truth and listen to opinions they don’t like.
They can always block me or go cry in a corner somewhere.
As long as they’re not extremely boring like most uneducated, unimaginative drones with their: Russian propaganda, Rubels, Xi bucks, 100+ social credits…
I have to block those, there is no satisfaction in ridiculing them since they are too stupid to see how they humiliate themselves.
The rest I enjoy tremendously, watching them seethe when they lose an argument and their little mask falls of revieling that behind the mask of imagined pseudo-moral superiority hides a little nasty fascist doing nothing more than gruntwork for the evil imperialist US regime. That is all. Death to America!!!
I am out now (time for bloody Mary’s)
Wait, lemmy has elections? We have leaders?
Wait, lemmy is “news”?
I mean that is quite the statement, I take offence about the part where you apparently win any argument.
I honestly can’t say if you’re deliberately playing dumb or not, seen the amount of absolute imbeciles and idiotic takes.
“seeing” and “imbecilic” an odd mistake to make if you are not playing dumb.
Theres even people here on lemmy living in that space
Are the old men stuck in a feedback loop?
I often wonder how it goes behind closed doors. Is Zelenskyy all polite or is he more like you’re full of shit and you fucking know it?
Zelensky is a media and communication master.
Hard agree. Trump is a good salesman but his weakness is his refusal to play the media. Zelenskyy is a master at media.
Trump responded by calling Zelensky a “dictator without elections”, and suggested his ratings were low.
(for those curious: the Ukrainian law
constitutionprohibits electing a president during war, it’s especially hard with 20% of the country under hostile control; and regarding Zelensky’s rating, it’s about 57%70%currently)After that, some Republicans with a spine (Mike Pence, Don Bacon, Thom Tillis, Mike Rounds, John Kennedy, et al) also called out Trump to be more truthful.
If Elon is true to his word, he now has to give 100 M to politicians who oppose those Republicans in primaries. Because he threatened to beat anyone who badmouths his boss with his wallet.
i’ll always know him as the “i can’t wait to have your cock in my mouth” guy
A lot of Ukrainians have also fled the country, it makes no sense to organize this before ending the war. Why do we have to have this discussion? They are at war, marshal law is common during times of war to keep your country unified during these periods. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have vast oceans between them and their adversaries to allow for elections of their highest office to continue uninterrupted.
lies
Point them out, specifically.
Get fucked, fascist, they don’t hold elections during martial law, which has been in effect since your fellow fascists invaded.
LOL see, you can’t find it, cause it’s not in their constitution.
And you should treally stop projecting.
The fascists are slightly different red and blue MAGA fascists and racists, continuously attacking, invading and stealing from poor countries and the Banderite ones you support in ex-ukranus.
Looks like you lost in both cases, lol enjoy seething and crying about it.
Your banana republic provides top entertainment to us civilised European countries.
Again, simply fascinating, essentially “no U!” 🤣
Russia doesn’t attack civilians and elections are easy to hold while being invaded. Please, tell us more, comrade!
comrade? really?
Sad cringe americunt loser
Oh ouch, please stop, your clever wit is just too much to take, I fear I just can’t go on living in a world where the likes of you think as you do about me.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Ukraine “The Constitution of Ukraine allows for some specific restrictions on rights and freedoms when the state of martial law is in effect.[10] The Constitution explicitly extends the five-year authority of the Verkhovna Rada (the national parliament of Ukraine) in the state of martial law until the first meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of the next parliamentary term, elected after the cancellation of the state of martial law.[11] Scholars have stated that the Ukrainian constitution does not hold national elections while martial law is in effect.[12] The 2023 Ukrainian parliamentary election were not held and the 2024 Ukrainian presidential election also did not take place on its scheduled date of 31 March 2024.[13][12]”
I am not posting this for @bloomcole, as that guy is a pathetic troll. But posting for others uses of this site.
@bloomcole will thank you anyway since you’ve proven that he is right. Verkhovna Rada (the national parliament of Ukraine) is NOT THE PRESIDENT.
As always, the Banderite coup defenders demonstrably LIE I rest my case loser
@bloomcole will surely thank this info, as stated by @bloomcole himself.
This is just sad
Yes, let’s clear that up - it was a law, not the constitution.
Constitution, article 83(4) - extends the Parliament’s powers until martial law is over. Also allows for the possibility of martial law, says that under martial law, some rights may be restricted.
Ordinary law, “On the Legal Regime of Martial Law” - forbids elections during martial law.
So, holding elections in Ukraine during war is merely illegal. And I repeat - with 20% of the country occupied, and millions in emigration, very hard. If you hold a public meeting with your voters and a ballistic missile arrives, then what?
But since you consider them “banderite coup defenders”, you clearly take your clues from Moscow-based sources - why concern yourself with technicalities in law? The Kremlin does not concern itself with law, international, Ukraininan or Russian for that matter - it does what it wants. And you’re verbally supporting that.
Yes, an Estonian anarchist named “perestroika”. You can read my blog at: perestroika.pw to see if I’m a nazi russophobe.
Can I do a background check in return? :)
Oh, you only registered 3 days ago, likely because you got your previous account banned by pushing Kremlin talking points.
Because this isn’t about fair elections, it’s about getting a puppet government in charge who will just end the war freely by bending over for Russia. As if Putin and Trump actually care about fair elections… absolute clown show.
Right, and the puppet in charge will be rather obvious. The only other candidate that would win in a fair Ukrainian election is even more aggressive about opposing Russia than Zelenskyy, but since this is going to be rigged neither of those will win.
LOL nothing but lies
it has ‘grown’ to 57% and this from their own biased sources
kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-trust-in-zelensky-…
Another lie is that the constitution forbids elections:
verfassungsblog.de/ukraines-constitution-in-warti…
And really, it’s not hard to hold an election.
Russia is not israel, they don’t attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.
Perfectly fine to hold elections. The 20% is ethnic Russian and no longer ukraine, they wouldn’t vote for him or the fascist Banderites that attacked them anyway.
Who knows, maybe the Americans can have another Nuland-Pyatt call and choose a president for them.
That worked out fine didn’t it?
wow, yeah enough said, no need discussing anything further with the likes of you
“As of 31 August, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU) had verified that conflict-related violence had killed 11,743 civilians and injured 24,614 in Ukraine since 24 February 2022.
During the reporting period, Russian armed forces continued to target energy infrastructure across Ukraine, affecting essential services and deepening concerns about the plight of the civilian population with winter approaching.”
Honesty seems to be a problematic concept for the people supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine…
Also, I am surprised you even pretend to care about constitutions considering Putin had to rewrite Russias to stay in power past 2024.
Notably, those are the fully documented and verified numbers. The true amount is of course much larger.
Yes, and it’s not including the initial invasion and occupation from 2014-2022. However, these types of people see any kind of logical assumption as outright manipulation and opportunities to validate their “alternative facts”.
Oh yes, only the Rada was mentioned in the constitution. The president was mentioned in an ordinary law. As the blog you linked explains:
Nothing similar is made with respect to the president.There we go, there is NOTHING in the constitution about it.Yes, it’s called the bank account of Russia… that’s the disinformation space he’s in. Just swimming in it. Filthy
Whaaat?
You don’t believe him when he says the North Koreans (who are definitely there 😉) burn off their own faces?
That sounds reasonable right? Definitely not delusional.
Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a poem about cute puppies.
At least you are able to admit it’s your opinion and not a fact.
At least I’m not demonstrably lying like you did about those elections, liar. And that’s a fact.
How fucking stupid are you to think North Korean troops aren’t there?
www.chosun.com/…/2TUJ44HQBVGJNJFEA6XD2A4IPU/
LOL yes we should believe the ukros, the guys who invetened The ghost of Kiev, showed some sillly videos with an asian in a uniform? Sure…
Hey can I interest you in a bridge?
I gotta say, I’m really disappointed in the caliber of troll farms, they’ve gone so far down hill it’s just pathetic. Please try harder next time, we need the entertainment, but when you put in no effort, it just looks sad.
yep, you’re feeble indeed.
Ask mommy if Santaclaus is real.
And check under your bed for imaginary North Koreans. LOL
North Korea not being real is a odd take.
Like they themselves have said they are there. North Korean foreign minister Choe Son-hui at a meeting in russia even made the statement: “her country would powerfully support and assist the Russian army until its victory in Ukraine.”
They just don’t know how to troll I guess, maybe all their news come from fox, or their countries fox equivalent.
Naw, even fox news has better reality comprehension. (low bar I know)
They have military ties, NK’s have been there for decades. Can you not see the distinction between being there and fighting there?
The west also has ‘advisers’ and ‘trainers’ in ex-ukraine.
That is really cheap. and dishonest.
Are you this dense?
I told you they have agreements and weapons contracts.
And you hear this talk every day from US leaders and their vasals.
They are not fighting are they? Well they are but then you call these mercs ‘volunteers’.
Sad, grasping at straws to defend these BS propaganda inventions.
Here’s who makes up you gullible simpletons think.
moonofalabama.org/…/ukraine-hyped-threat-of-north…
Is that the “US” propaganda you are accusing people of spreading? Really, from a place called “moon of alabama”?
Come on now. When the hell did anyone bring up foreign volunteers at all? I mean its just silly to say North Korea is not involved in combat when they themselves and everyone else say they are.
What does this even come close to meaning?
Oh, yeah. Clearly I don’t understand as dumb “American”.
WAAAAIT a moment I am not American at all! What kinda of person assumes every one is from the USA? OH WAIT AMERICANS.
Again with the low effort, are you even trying at this point? Like I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed in you. The best you can come up is some lame adhominem. Please do better next time, OK? I could use a good laugh at your expense.
So do you agree with Trump’s statement that Zelenski started this war, or are you able to correctly identify that that is 100% Kremlin-pushed disinformation?
Say hello to Trump while you’re in that disinformation bubble
If this is whats leaving reddit, id rather not have them.
Can we start calling Trump supporters Commies now, I feel that would make them mad.
They will just tell you Russia isn’t Communists.
The only difference is the guy in charge, flag and name. Still the same people and same methodes
About time someone stood up to the orange bully. Go VZ, go! 🇺🇦
Zelenskyy acting more like the character expected of an American president than the one who got elected to be America’s President.
Lol. no. Trump is living in Trump made disinformation space.
It’s the same false reality bubble that got Putin to think he could take Ukraine in 3 days, Same one that made Britain dipshits think Brexit was going to be a golden age and it was the opposite, and now Trump and his republican dumbfucks are under the same illusion that rewinding the clock to the late 1800s and trying to force this country to be a christian kingdom of conformity and idiocy will be a good thing long term and not spell the end of this place allowing China to finalize their technological power takeover and become the new pinnacle of influence on the planet. Wouldn’t be surprised if all of these very priceless high level intel all roots from China.
Why China? Why not the billionaires in each of their own countries? The “Dark Gothic MAGA” doc is not just eye opening to what could be going on in the US, but for other countries under influence by a wealthy elite as well. I think China are able to quash these shadow movements since they maintain a large controller of their industrial sectors while also operating in the shadows. Because they have this control, I can see why we use them as a scapegoat. However, the ones with the most influence, the most accessibility, and the most to gain in the short term are the heads of industry. With the technological advancements of recent decades, those heads of industry can be found to be influencing the very means by which the people and therefore world leaders make decisions
Why is the draft Dodger trying to start a war.
Easy, he won’t have to fight in it, and he figures he could make a shitload of money!