Blindly, through a bathroom door. Reading about that fucked me up.

Right, but before he became a murderer he was an inspiration to many people.

The news of his trial hit many people like a punch in the gut. How could such an inspirational person commit such a horrible crime? It was one of the worst feelings of betrayal experienced by the public.

Seriously. Imagine thinking that someone would put themselves through that kinda endocrine disruption, societal scrutiny/isolation, just for a trophy. I’m assuming from context clues homie said something along the lines of “what about dudes that transition so they get a competitive edge?”

Jesus Christ don’t put words in my mouth! See what I wrote, I never said it was the main reason they transitioned. I don’t even get how would you relate my comment to bathroom pervs.

Any arguments related to sports performance, which was my main point?

At the time when Oscar Pistorious was competing, there was an actual conversation around the fear that people would get their legs amputated so they could get prosthetics like he had if it would gain them a competitive advantage. No one actually knew if his prosthetic legs gave a real advantage because there was no way to do a comparison without having a real athlete go through the amputations.

If you look into the scene around body building and the extreme lengths people go to with steroids, extreme diets, dehydration and more, it doesn’t seem all that implausible that some people would transition in order to gain a competitive advantage. Heck, some people deliberately get their legs broken in order to stretch out the bones just so they can be taller (no competitive reason). That’s an extremely painful process undergone for less extreme reasons.

Thanks for your prompt but superficial comment! I’ll give it the proper consideration!

Any data you can throw at me before hurling insults? I find it hard to believe that their performance is on par with their female peers, specially in contact sports.

Been wondering about this! Sure age of transition doesn’t play a factor, even after 2 years? I can’t see how a teen transitioning isn’t different from an older man transitioning.

I don’t think men need a protected category for most sports, so having both would just be duplication.

It would be dominated by men.

Men’s IS the open category

I get the giggles watching Anatoly prank videos. He plays a nerdy, Eastern European janitor, pushing a mop around the gym. He regularly astounds the much larger guys by effortlessly lifting their weights.

One of his gags is casually handing the monster weightlifters his 32kg mop. They instantly drop it, “Is there problem? See! Is normal mop.” Picks it up one handed, zero strain.

This one is great! Girls are trying not to straight make fun of him talking about ab training. “Show us yours.” Aight. (Can’t find the better version where you can see his abs, but he’s a monster.)

Whatever his training regime, it’s obvious he has muscle density bordering on superhuman. Talk about advantage!

Or look at Michael Phelps. Dude smokes and is basically Aquaman. I forget what’s unusual about his body, but he’s a rare one.

Who said it would be entirely men? Chess had this format forever and any woman that had the ability to compete in the top level open tournaments was competing in them.

You didn’t answer the question. And it’s a valid question to my mind. See my reply to the above.

You may have misunderstood the point of my rhetorical question. I will elaborate.

What about people who are born with XX chromosomes, and all the associated lady bits, who happen to be especially strong? Or tall? Or flexible? Or any other kind of physical difference that would give them an advantage in their chosen sport?

Wouldn't those people have exactly the same kind of "unfair advantage"?

"Oh, wait, that's not what we mean," the Olympics organizers might say. "We are only concerned with one kind of innate physical difference, and not any others."

In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.

I see … Although they are not called that, are they. So now you’re accusing the organizers of basic incompetence or dishonesty. Which is it? … And if either of those is accurate, it raises other questions, too.

Don’t (most) transmen inject/otherwise take testosterone? That would be doping if a cis man did it. So I do think there’s an argument there (not really any better than the argument against transwomen in women’s sports, in both cases imo hormone levels just need to be monitored and you can have pretty much equal competition).

I also think at the top level it’s not entirely invalid to say you don’t want people with heavily modified bodies competing. Anything that isn’t either the global top level or professional I find it completely ridiculous though, the level is just so wildly variant that any tiny advantage potentially gained from that is negligible anyway.

But also everything I know about the science behind it tells me trans athletes are completely fine (in trans womens case after some minimum time or HRT) because as it turns out hormones kinda determine everything about your body.

I’m saying trans women are women. They might be born with xy chromosomes most of the time, or they might be born with a functioning penis and testes most of the time, but they are still women.

It’s why we say “assigned male at birth” instead of “born male”.

Edit: I’ll clarify this even further by reminding everyone that being trans is not a choice, and most – if not all – of the current science shows that being trans is the result of fetal developmental changes of the brain in the womb.

Dont try and speak logically about this

if they got surgery to reduce their size would you be okay with it?

Tall people were born tall.

The tallest baby ever born was 28 inches tall. That’s 2’4”.

I’m not tall, but I’m taller than that.

I put it to you that babies are born short and grow over time.

I’m not sure but I will comment anyway.

I believe each sport’s federation has rules they decide themselves and those are normally used but sometimes the Olympic Committee will ban a federation because of corruption or some mismanagement and take over organization of those specific events. They did it with boxing in the previous Olympics for example. When they do it they have to decide which rules will apply and looks like now they decided the default rules for all sports that fall under their jurisdiction. Last time with boxing they decided to use the same rules that were used 4 years earlier which meant some previously banned athletes where allowed to compete and a lot of participants complained.

Careful, your prejudice might be showing. It’d be awfully embarassing for people to find out how terribly simplistic the paradigms are with which you’re evaluating worthiness of your peers.