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https://lemmy.world/post/20508855
In a devastating letter sent to President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris this week, 99 health workers who have volunteered in Gaza amid the genocide wrote that Israel has likely already killed over 118,908 Palestinians in Gaza. This is approximately 5.4 percent of Gaza’s population, meaning Israel has killed 1 of every 20 Palestinians in the Strip in less than a year, according to this estimate.
Not only is this figure horrific, it is also the “most conservative estimate” possible of the true death toll in Gaza, the health workers wrote in an appendix to the letter. The workers calculated this based on estimates from food insecurity researchers on the death toll caused by famine; rough estimates of deaths by disease; and other estimates of deaths that Gaza health officials are unable to count.
The workers, who spent a combined 254 weeks in Gaza, specifically emphasize the impact that Israel’s genocide has had on children. For instance, they point out that, according to officially reported figures, Israel has killed at least 2,100 babies and toddlers since October 7 — a toll that is higher than the combined Israeli death toll from the First Intifada, the Second Intifada and October 7 attack.
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Anyone knows how many Palestinians are left, what their birth rate is and how many decades it will take Israel to complete the genocide at this rate?
It was in the low millions (2.5 iirc). I dont think the birthrate is existent. Women who give birth will probably die of infection due to the lack of non bombed hospitals and non assassinated doctors. Israel has recently further tightened the restrictions on aid deliveries. Once the starvation and lack of water reaches a critical point, the population could actually start collapsing very quickly.
Are you asking why birth rates increase when material conditions worsen?
No, I was asking the questions I asked.
The info about the pre-war birth rate is a bit helpful, though.
I’m wondering how long it will take Israel to eradicate all Palestinians, if they keep going at the current speed, if the world fails to stop them for decades in a worst case scenario. But don’t waste your time on my grim thoughts.
These things aren’t linear, you could try to piece together a projection from the reports on famine. But they deal more with how to prevent and reverse famine, not death projections
refugeesinternational.org/…/untangling-the-realit…
The number of deaths will increase exponentially (because most of it is starvation and there's still almost no aid entering the strip), so a few years if nothing changes.
For future reference to everyone else, this is what we call a bad faith question.
wdym? I didn’t mean any harm. I was just overthinking the worst case, but it turned out too complicated to come to a conclusion.
I’ve heard enough of “High birth rates” and “This sure is a slow genocide”
is it not fast enough for you?
Yeah, it assumes that they won’t accelerate their genocide.
Why is this number so drastically higher than other numbers I’ve seen? I thought it was in the 40 thousands?
(Not like that’s any better. Genocide is genocide. I’m just a bit perturbed by how different the number is then when I last heard.)
UPDATE: Further along in the linked document it clarified…
That figure is an addition to the 42,000 that have died from the violence.
Holy hell… 😭
The collapse of help system. I also think indirect deaths from diseases and famine are not counted by the health ministry
Yeah the 40k have been unchanged for months, which made me wonder what the real number including the witholding of aid is. So yeah… now we know.
it was 40,000 months ago…
It’s not even been 12.
I and a few others have been trying to tell people that Gaza is already in the dying phase. That the UN and IPC have said Northern Gaza is in famine and Southern Gaza is “imminent”. But nobody has wanted to listen. Just recently we found out that USAID made the same assessment and assessed that Israel was restricting calories on purpose. But Blinken and Biden ignored that assessment to effectively clear Israel for military aid.
And this isn’t done yet. When they dig that rubble out they’re going to find more bodies. That’s part of why Israel wants to officially occupy Gaza again. If we ever get a real number that might actually make them a parish state.
There was a Lancet study a while back that said the real number of deaths is likely five times the official number. Now that specific study doesn't have to be 100% correct, but it's a plain fact that the official number is a severe understatement, for two reasons:
First, the official number is the number of dead bodies the Gaza Health Ministry physically counted. It's the number ofphysically confirmed deaths. That's why they could release those lists of dead people, but it also means that anyone whose body wasn't taken to a hospital (say, someone starved in the middle of nowhere or died under rubble) won't be counted. This makes the GHM number the minimum possible number of deaths, not any kind of estimate trying to make up for blind spots.
Second, the Gazan healthcare system collapsed months ago. Most if not all hospitals got Al Shifa'd, and the ones working don't have gas, electricity or any supplies. This is why the number plateaued (plateau'd???) several months ago. There's nobody to count the dead, so because of the system I explained above the number is going up.
So anyway, what you're seeing in the article isn't that. It's an estimate trying to make up for the dead who aren't included in the 40000 the GHM counted. That's the reason it's so high.
Don’t forget that there are many more unaccounted for under the rubble.
This senseless death is so tragic.
Blinken will blindly block the brutal report because bibi.
It looks like Hamas has 40k members, so I guess maybe at least two non-Hamas dead for each Hamas dead.
Is it now a genocide or not?
Yeah the numbers from Gaza Health Ministry (part of of the Hamas government) have a pro-Israeli bias. Yup, that makes perfect sense. The Gaza Health Ministry is trying to cover up a genocide… for… ummmm… reasons.
Face it, the genocide the ghouls were hoping for just didn’t happen. Now the genocide ghouls are just making up numbers. At what point do people start to realize they were fooled by obvious propaganda?
The Gaza Health Ministry is crippled because Israel has bombed the vast majority of the hospitals
Are you saying that a genocide isn’t happening in Gaza right now? Are you saying that Palestinians wanted a genocide to happen to them? Wtf?