De-dollarisation gains traction among Brics (www.khaleejtimes.com)
from cyu@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 14:42
https://sh.itjust.works/post/18599856

#world

threaded - newest

Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 15:06 next collapse

I feel like this not being the case would be a headline, but the fact of it is, or should be, patently unsurprising

Chainweasel@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 15:22 collapse

I mean, isn’t De-dollarization the entire point of creating a new currency as an alternative to the US dollar?

frezik@midwest.social on 01 May 13:32 collapse

This would be about trade. Your country can make whatever currency it likes, but when you go to buy goods overseas, you tend to have to pay in USD. Not always, but it’s the default.

BRICS don’t like this, for obvious reasons, but they lack alternatives. They can try shifting to the Chinese Yuan, but that only moves the problem for everyone who isn’t China. They can try to make their own currency union, but they aren’t even as politically united as the EU, and the Euro has issues keeping everyone moving the same direction.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 16:52 next collapse

I don’t get it. They’re still using all of their local currencies? Why not band together and do a united currency like the Euro or the CFA Franc?

partial_accumen@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 18:10 next collapse

Why not band together and do a united currency like the Euro or the CFA Franc?

Because that requires a unified monetary policy. The BRICs countries don’t actually have that much in common, meaning they need to treat their domestic monetary policies to be most advantageous internally. Having one currency wouldn’t allow that. What it really boils down to is how a country included would be able to spend its own money and how much debt it would be allowed to carry.

Heni_meat_smasher_69@ani.social on 30 Apr 20:12 next collapse

Maybe because they don’t want to be scammed?

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 20:13 collapse

In what way is the Euro a scam?

Heni_meat_smasher_69@ani.social on 30 Apr 23:08 collapse

When they implemented it, it was a scam because of round up. Happened across every country in Europe

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 23:14 collapse

What are you even talking about?

Heni_meat_smasher_69@ani.social on 01 May 13:18 collapse

I’m not even going to reply because either you are too young, American, ignorant, or all of above

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 01 May 13:20 collapse

That’s not an explanation.

Heni_meat_smasher_69@ani.social on 01 May 13:34 collapse

Yeah, basically not worth my time sorry. If you want to know, you can search the internet

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 01 May 13:36 next collapse

If it’s not worth your time to explain something that, based on the downvotes, clearly no one understands, then it was probably not worth your time to say it in the first place.

Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world on 02 May 19:58 collapse

I did and couldn’t find anything about it being a scam.

Merchants after converting could decide how to round their prices. They chose to round up because it was an easy excuse to raise prices. That’s not a scam. That’s business being business.

olympicyes@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 22:02 next collapse

The article said 95% of the trade will be denominated in Chinese Yuan for trade primarily between China and Russia. Russia really cannot use dollars right now because of sanctions, so we will see what their appetite is to hold large sums of Chinese currency as reserves.

SeaJ@lemm.ee on 01 May 03:40 collapse

Because that would fail very quickly. The CFA franc works because France dominated their exports. The euro took a long fucking time to make work and took a lot of planning and market integration. Even then it has some struggles.

brICs has very little market integration. While many of them do a good chunk of trade with China, it’s often not very even. Essentially it would be China dictating monetary policy which also ties itself to US monetary policy via a floating peg. There is also no freedom of movement between most of them. Without that, countries can very easily fall into a liquidity trap and be forced to deflate because of capital flight. As bad as the PIIGS financial crises were, they would have been significantly worse without people being able to move away from the countries.

taanegl@lemmy.world on 30 Apr 17:05 next collapse

As per the deal, 95 per cent of the $260 billion worth of trade will be settled in yuan.

It’s like an economic visual of Putin’s balls in Xi Jinpeng’s grip. The other 5%? A blend of rubles and euros.

In essence, BRICS is trying to make the yuan a world reserve currency. That’s how they’re going to “sanction proof” them selves, by leaning on Chinese economy, and tbh, since a crapton of manufacturing and fabrication already happens in China, it does make a lot of sense.

Perhaps we’ll see the return of cold war era economic policies as a result. You can almost hear the liberals (neo or classical, take your pick - they both suck) begrudgingly press the button marked “Protectionism”.

In any case, welcome to the CwaaS, or “Cold war as a Service”. Smack SWIFT and BRICS together, see what happens.

Buelldozer@lemmy.today on 30 Apr 19:11 collapse

since a crapton of manufacturing and fabrication already happens in China, it does make a lot of sense.

Western manufacturing and fabrication is already pulling out of China; this action will accelerate that trend. It’s also a poor bet due to China’s slow motion demographic collapse.

Frankly this could be implemented tomorrow and by the end of 2034 it would be dead; torn apart by internal conflict and China’s gradual economic decline.

rxbudian@lemmy.ca on 30 Apr 22:39 collapse

If you want to see power struggle, just keep an eye on that group. India and China are rivals. They will try to undermine each other’s ability to gain more power.

SeaJ@lemm.ee on 01 May 02:31 collapse

It’s not even a cohesive group. It was some dude at Goldman Sachs seeing a few countries grow quickly and even then it was more like brIC since Brazil and Russia saw growth only from resource extraction. South Africa decided they wanted to be part of the show despite shit growth and it became BRICS. They don’t do that much trade with each other and now outside of China, their growth is shit. If they want to become more economically integrated, go for it.