It took months since Trump was back to remodling the White House for Trump to call China. That call happened right after China hit the off button on rare earth metals. The ones we need to keep modern society as we know it functional.
Something to keep in mind when Trump starts talking about unlimited weapon stockpiles which need China in order to be made.
And US needing China’s material is only true because the US is at late stage capitalism where we rely on the cheapest country labor for imports.
We’re the 2nd largest producer, and have new projects underway to surpass China… But we have to actually spend the money and time to do so, and most companies would rather not pay US wages.
Wang said China will “never seek hegemony or expansion,” and that it wants to build “an equal and orderly multipolar world.”
Seems to me EU is more aligned with China than USA in this.
USA is a quickly failing world power, and the Iran war has just made it worse. After it was already bad from Trump undermining US economy, NATO, and relations with ALL their allies, except the fascist war criminals in Israel.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca
on 08 Mar 15:33
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Do you take China’s word at face value? What part of China’s past behaviour supports their “equal and orderly, multipolar world?”
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world
on 08 Mar 16:22
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“Damn you imperialists! All unequal treaties are null and void!”
“What about Tibet?”
“Stay out of Chinese internal affairs!”
Casterial@lemmy.world
on 08 Mar 18:16
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I mean Europe started what 2 world wars? Wouldn’t be surprised they’ll support China who’s working on a 3rd. Iran and Venezuela were ways to postpone China’s invasion of the Pacific.
China’s just as bad as the US - they just didn’t have the military to show it and now they do.
I am absolutely against how China behaves towards Taiwan, but China does not see Taiwan as an independent country, but an occupied part of China.
The activities in the China sea may be questionable, but they are locked in by USA supported countries, and they are trying to secure sea routes, not much different from the Belt and Road Initiative a multi trillion dollar investment.
So apart from that which is perfectly understandable from a Chinese perspective, I’m not sure what your point is?
Then compare that to American activities, with wars against multiple countries at a time across the Atlantic ocean! Kidnapping and assassinations of key people in countries they want to control. And threats and bullying even of their allies.
By comparison China is way way more sensible than USA, including on issues I disagree with them on.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca
on 08 Mar 19:24
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The US position has always been indefensible. No arguments there, but the China’s treatment of Taiwan, Tibet or international law like the ICC, South China sea vs. International law of the sea etc… The US and China’s abuse of power are near mirror images. China only has a little catching up to do.
So apart from that which is perfectly understandable from a Chinese perspective.
I’m sorry, you have exceeded your daily allotment of hypocrisy. Please wait 24 hours for renewal.
I absolutely acknowledge that China is far from perfect. But the China involvement in Tibet was originally by request! And China never claimed to support ICC, while USA has always claimed to support international law, but is now actively sabotaging ICC. Yet another example where USA is way worse than China.
The hypocracy is to claim USA is better than China, while USA is committing war crimes and sabotaging countries that were supposed to be allies.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca
on 08 Mar 21:26
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The hypocracy is to claim USA is better than China
Who is saying this?
Edit: Also China’s imperial and colonial conquest of Tibet was by request? I need harder drugs. Can you spare some of what you are on?
China is mostly focused on economic growth, which they don’t need to go to cold war over. Their political ambitions are mostly focused on the nearby regions.
For the US leaders, however, it’s a matter of global political dominance, which they are losing.
To be more precise, both China and the US pursue economic dominance, but they do so through different means. China makes high-risk, high-reward investments, and the US militarily forces the countries under their influence. So, it’s only a “war” for the US, while China is totally fine with multipolar world.
It was somewhat different with USSR, where it was indeed political on both ends.
mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world
on 09 Mar 06:41
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When you blunder your queen and check yourself in the same move and then offer a draw
It took months since Trump was back to remodling the White House for Trump to call China. That call happened right after China hit the off button on rare earth metals. The ones we need to keep modern society as we know it functional.
Something to keep in mind when Trump starts talking about unlimited weapon stockpiles which need China in order to be made.
And US needing China’s material is only true because the US is at late stage capitalism where we rely on the cheapest country labor for imports.
We’re the 2nd largest producer, and have new projects underway to surpass China… But we have to actually spend the money and time to do so, and most companies would rather not pay US wages.
Seems to me EU is more aligned with China than USA in this.
USA is a quickly failing world power, and the Iran war has just made it worse. After it was already bad from Trump undermining US economy, NATO, and relations with ALL their allies, except the fascist war criminals in Israel.
Do you take China’s word at face value? What part of China’s past behaviour supports their “equal and orderly, multipolar world?”
“Damn you imperialists! All unequal treaties are null and void!”
“What about Tibet?”
“Stay out of Chinese internal affairs!”
I mean Europe started what 2 world wars? Wouldn’t be surprised they’ll support China who’s working on a 3rd. Iran and Venezuela were ways to postpone China’s invasion of the Pacific.
China’s just as bad as the US - they just didn’t have the military to show it and now they do.
I am absolutely against how China behaves towards Taiwan, but China does not see Taiwan as an independent country, but an occupied part of China.
The activities in the China sea may be questionable, but they are locked in by USA supported countries, and they are trying to secure sea routes, not much different from the Belt and Road Initiative a multi trillion dollar investment.
So apart from that which is perfectly understandable from a Chinese perspective, I’m not sure what your point is?
Then compare that to American activities, with wars against multiple countries at a time across the Atlantic ocean! Kidnapping and assassinations of key people in countries they want to control. And threats and bullying even of their allies.
By comparison China is way way more sensible than USA, including on issues I disagree with them on.
The US position has always been indefensible. No arguments there, but the China’s treatment of Taiwan, Tibet or international law like the ICC, South China sea vs. International law of the sea etc… The US and China’s abuse of power are near mirror images. China only has a little catching up to do.
I’m sorry, you have exceeded your daily allotment of hypocrisy. Please wait 24 hours for renewal.
I absolutely acknowledge that China is far from perfect. But the China involvement in Tibet was originally by request! And China never claimed to support ICC, while USA has always claimed to support international law, but is now actively sabotaging ICC. Yet another example where USA is way worse than China.
The hypocracy is to claim USA is better than China, while USA is committing war crimes and sabotaging countries that were supposed to be allies.
Who is saying this?
Edit: Also China’s imperial and colonial conquest of Tibet was by request? I need harder drugs. Can you spare some of what you are on?
It was the whole point of my post you responded to, and argued against.
You didn’t understand what I wrote.
Cold war never ended
Soviets just passed the beacon to China
China is mostly focused on economic growth, which they don’t need to go to cold war over. Their political ambitions are mostly focused on the nearby regions.
For the US leaders, however, it’s a matter of global political dominance, which they are losing.
To be more precise, both China and the US pursue economic dominance, but they do so through different means. China makes high-risk, high-reward investments, and the US militarily forces the countries under their influence. So, it’s only a “war” for the US, while China is totally fine with multipolar world.
It was somewhat different with USSR, where it was indeed political on both ends.
I think you meant they passed the bacon to China.
Why would China share with the US? Especially now given the US decline