DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 02:19
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It’s fucking stupid that there were that many people on that mountain in the first place. Climbing it is like a millionaires bucket list item, so many of those assholes do it.
I know it brings in a lot of money, so this will never happen, but I’d like to see the mountain completely closed. Pay the Sherpas to bring down all the dead bodies, then give them a pension. Some billionaire will no doubt try to buy their way in, but don’t let them. Keep some things sacred above money, tell them to fuck off.
AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 02:43
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No way. I want to see this and extreme deep sea exploration become a billionaire’s bucket list item. Send them all.
To be honest. If I died on the top of the highest peak in the world. I’d want my body to stay there. Like, unless it’s in the way and creeping people out. Leave me.
I’d strike a pose or something. I think it would be cooler if it was in the way and creeping people out tbh. I’d probably climb the mountain with a few props just in case.
And here is Grimy from .world. They froze to death 500 years ago with a massive Dildo in their mouth. Some wonder if they froze attempting to place the butt plug in as well. But, as all their clothes are still on, most people believe the motion was simply a gesture for, what people at the time called, “the memes”.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 03:30
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To me, it’s not necessarily people climbing it that’s the issue. It’s that some people have so little respect for everyone and everything that they’re perfectly content to use the world as their own personal trash can.
I shit you not, I recently chewed some lady out on the hiking trail 2 miles from my house because she chucked the plastic bowl and spoon from her lunch off into the woods, in front of God and everybody like it’s just no big deal. Well it’s a big fucking deal to me.
And if a person can’t manage to go on a hike or scale a mountain without leaving their garbage behind like a slob, then they should stay home.
Leaving several pounds of trash can easily be the difference in making it down alive. Read *Into Thin Air". If the way up doesn’t kill you, getting back down is far more dangerous.
Then don’t do that thing, leave it where it can cleaned up by someone you paid to clean it up or only bring things where the trash you leave behind is environmentally friendly and can degrade naturally.
There is absolutely no valid reason you can give for this. You’re literally excusing hurting nature because someone decided to do something that they couldn’t handle, how does that make sense?
I’m not excusing a single thing, only stating a fact.
Lemmy sometimes makes me feel like I’m surrounded by small children or autists. My 12-yo daughter is autistic and even she has more social discernment than you fuckers.
“I don’t like your statement of fact! And I’m taking that statement to mean you love that fact! Fuck you!”
Saw a commenter get downvoted to hell for clearly stating someone else’s take on a thing. They made it clear they were explaining someone else’s stance.
Lemmy: “Fuck you!”
Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 08:44
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I dont think the debate is over whether you have to leave the garbage to do this hike; I think the argument is that because you HAVE to do that, this expedition should either be closed or more highly regulated. The amount of trash and bodies will just slowly accumulate, and it’s weird in today’s world of high tech gear to even claim summiting as a badge of honor. Sure it’s cool… but you have nothing on the folks that did it with limited knowledge and questionable gear in the early days.
If you like facts then you should know that “Autist” Is a rather controversial term in the autistic community, with many finding it dehumanising, and with a significant proportion of those who use it themselves doing so to “reclaim” it in an n-word-like “it’s okay when i say it, but not when you say it” way.
And if you really do have an autistic daughter, then you might want to do some internal reflection on why you think being “surrounded by […] autists” Is negative enough to use as an insult. Those kinds of attitudes can have negative impacts on children and can lead to internalised ableism. And if it’s not the kind of attitude you would show around her, then it’s worth asking yourself why not.
All the money in the world won’t get you to the summit. And if you make it that far, you’re not even halfway out of danger. The way down is so fucking brutal, people can’t carry the extra weight of trash.
Money just gives you a ticket to ride, won’t get you to the summit.
And if you think Sherpas are capable of carry frozen corpses down, that tells me you’re ignorant on this subject. Read Into Thin Air if you want to know more. It’s one of the most surprising non-fiction books I’ve read.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 07 Oct 05:59
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and its not even special anymore, because your with 1000 other douches try to chase clout, or brag about. if one was CLIMBER and not someone trekking there, than that is different.
luxliminal@piefed.social
on 06 Oct 03:11
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Okay, it took me a minute to realize this wasn’t a bunch of Star Trek fans stranded on Everest.
After reading that book, I laugh at the comments around here thinking a summit is available to anyone with the money. Aside from the dangers, I was astonished at how long people have to stay at the various camps to acclimate.
“Lazy fucks just leave their trash up there!”
Well, a couple of pounds of gear can easily be the difference in life and death.
EDIT: Should not have commented this around a bunch of fat fucks who don’t leave their couch, let alone read about summiting Everest.
Hiked a few miles today. Flat terrain, super easy except for the sandy bits. Anyway, I no longer carry a pistol because that’s 3lbs. of steel and ammo I don’t need. BIG difference.
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 04:12
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I don’t know much about it but I think trying to climb that mountain might be dangerous
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub
on 06 Oct 06:05
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PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 07:29
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I don’t give a fuck. Gooooooooooooood. It’s mainly overly wealthy people doing this. They shit and leave crap all over the mountain. Literal shit everywhere.
calliope@retrolemmy.com
on 06 Oct 11:32
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It is 100% overly wealthy, selfish people and the service workers they’ve trapped with them.
Spending thousands on gear, then going all the way to Nepal (a less developed country) to climb a mountain is the very definition of “overly wealthy.”
Nothing says “I don’t care about anyone else” like insisting on being the millionth tough guy to climb a mountain, just to say they did.
I think this should be part of the risk. Leave them up there and clean the bodies up when it thaws.
Come on with those absolutes… first hit on google for a commercial top of the line expedition ranges between 100k for the crazy short-track « climb the whole thing » to a relatively affordable 3k to go to the base camp…. Which is less than a whole lot of families apparently spend on vacation.
Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
calliope@retrolemmy.com
on 06 Oct 14:48
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Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
I almost said computer but realized that couldn’t be assumed. Fine, a phone is closer to a necessity.
There is still basically no difference between this and any other hobby that involves something manufactured by people in poor countries other than proximity to the people doing the labor. You are just mad that people who have either a bit or a lot more money for their hobbies have a hobby that doesn’t appeal to you personally.
That’s tangential but worth mentioning. At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists so yeah, I feel it’s a sensible argument.
My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
non_burglar@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 17:17
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At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists
That’s the point, and that’s why the guy is not “chill” about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you’d be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little…
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it’s OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative.
Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money.
System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 08:37
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Id like to sneak in and offer an opposing argument here. I see what you are saying, but imagine if someone said poachers in Africa depend on the revenue from selling illegal wildlife goods. The idea is that even if its a reality now, it really isn’t a good one, and if they COULD work away from it, it’d likely be better overall.
I invite you to go to Nepal and educate the people on taking a moral stand and cutting off their revenue. I’m sure they’d be very receptive.
non_burglar@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 21:34
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You got that fucking backwards, sir.
One does not ask the oppressed to change the abusive relationship, one speaks to the pricks paying 50k to leave their actual feces and trash on a mountain to check a box.
Money alone won’t get you up there. No matter how many Sherpa’s you hire, it’s brutal. People spends weeks and weeks at the various base camps just to acclimate, and that does nothing to add to their strength.
And yes they leave literal shit and O2 bottles. Carrying a few extra pounds on the way down could kill you. You have to give it nearly all you got to summit, then the descent is even more dangerous.
We could argue shutting down the mountain, but I’ve never heard of a solution to remove the trash. You have to carry it up, you can’t carry it down.
Read Into Thin Air if you want to know more. I won’t read it again, too brutal.
I read another headline earlier, something like “Blizzard strands 1000 people on Mt Everest.”
And my early morning brain went “ugh Blizzard really is an awful company, going way too overboard with their promotional material.” I wasn’t even that surprised.
Now I see this headline and that earlier one makes more sense 😂
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 10:34
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While it’s tragic that the mountain is going to add to its death toll on this, the idea of people queued up on the world’s tallest peak just for limited-time virtual merch, made me chuckle a bit.
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It’s fucking stupid that there were that many people on that mountain in the first place. Climbing it is like a millionaires bucket list item, so many of those assholes do it.
I know it brings in a lot of money, so this will never happen, but I’d like to see the mountain completely closed. Pay the Sherpas to bring down all the dead bodies, then give them a pension. Some billionaire will no doubt try to buy their way in, but don’t let them. Keep some things sacred above money, tell them to fuck off.
No way. I want to see this and extreme deep sea exploration become a billionaire’s bucket list item. Send them all.
I heard about this really amazing adventure we could send them on.
I gotta admit, I’m never upset when I hear about tourists dying on everest.
Rich people deserve every bad thing that happens to them until they give up their wealth or it’s taken by force.
100% but they can’t get ANY tax break or subsidy for that. They also can’t get PR out of it.
To be honest. If I died on the top of the highest peak in the world. I’d want my body to stay there. Like, unless it’s in the way and creeping people out. Leave me.
I’d strike a pose or something. I think it would be cooler if it was in the way and creeping people out tbh. I’d probably climb the mountain with a few props just in case.
And here is Grimy from .world. They froze to death 500 years ago with a massive Dildo in their mouth. Some wonder if they froze attempting to place the butt plug in as well. But, as all their clothes are still on, most people believe the motion was simply a gesture for, what people at the time called, “the memes”.
LMAO
To me, it’s not necessarily people climbing it that’s the issue. It’s that some people have so little respect for everyone and everything that they’re perfectly content to use the world as their own personal trash can.
I shit you not, I recently chewed some lady out on the hiking trail 2 miles from my house because she chucked the plastic bowl and spoon from her lunch off into the woods, in front of God and everybody like it’s just no big deal. Well it’s a big fucking deal to me.
And if a person can’t manage to go on a hike or scale a mountain without leaving their garbage behind like a slob, then they should stay home.
Leaving several pounds of trash can easily be the difference in making it down alive. Read *Into Thin Air". If the way up doesn’t kill you, getting back down is far more dangerous.
Then don’t do that thing, leave it where it can cleaned up by someone you paid to clean it up or only bring things where the trash you leave behind is environmentally friendly and can degrade naturally. There is absolutely no valid reason you can give for this. You’re literally excusing hurting nature because someone decided to do something that they couldn’t handle, how does that make sense?
I’m not excusing a single thing, only stating a fact.
Lemmy sometimes makes me feel like I’m surrounded by small children or autists. My 12-yo daughter is autistic and even she has more social discernment than you fuckers.
“I don’t like your statement of fact! And I’m taking that statement to mean you love that fact! Fuck you!”
Saw a commenter get downvoted to hell for clearly stating someone else’s take on a thing. They made it clear they were explaining someone else’s stance.
Lemmy: “Fuck you!”
I dont think the debate is over whether you have to leave the garbage to do this hike; I think the argument is that because you HAVE to do that, this expedition should either be closed or more highly regulated. The amount of trash and bodies will just slowly accumulate, and it’s weird in today’s world of high tech gear to even claim summiting as a badge of honor. Sure it’s cool… but you have nothing on the folks that did it with limited knowledge and questionable gear in the early days.
If you like facts then you should know that “Autist” Is a rather controversial term in the autistic community, with many finding it dehumanising, and with a significant proportion of those who use it themselves doing so to “reclaim” it in an n-word-like “it’s okay when i say it, but not when you say it” way.
And if you really do have an autistic daughter, then you might want to do some internal reflection on why you think being “surrounded by […] autists” Is negative enough to use as an insult. Those kinds of attitudes can have negative impacts on children and can lead to internalised ableism. And if it’s not the kind of attitude you would show around her, then it’s worth asking yourself why not.
All the money in the world won’t get you to the summit. And if you make it that far, you’re not even halfway out of danger. The way down is so fucking brutal, people can’t carry the extra weight of trash.
Money just gives you a ticket to ride, won’t get you to the summit.
And if you think Sherpas are capable of carry frozen corpses down, that tells me you’re ignorant on this subject. Read Into Thin Air if you want to know more. It’s one of the most surprising non-fiction books I’ve read.
and its not even special anymore, because your with 1000 other douches try to chase clout, or brag about. if one was CLIMBER and not someone trekking there, than that is different.
Okay, it took me a minute to realize this wasn’t a bunch of Star Trek fans stranded on Everest.
Into Thin Air x 100
Reading that book made me decide trying to climb Everest is a bad idea.
Every chapter made me sure I didn’t want to climb everest.
After reading that book, I laugh at the comments around here thinking a summit is available to anyone with the money. Aside from the dangers, I was astonished at how long people have to stay at the various camps to acclimate.
“Lazy fucks just leave their trash up there!”
Well, a couple of pounds of gear can easily be the difference in life and death.
EDIT: Should not have commented this around a bunch of fat fucks who don’t leave their couch, let alone read about summiting Everest.
Hiked a few miles today. Flat terrain, super easy except for the sandy bits. Anyway, I no longer carry a pistol because that’s 3lbs. of steel and ammo I don’t need. BIG difference.
I don’t know much about it but I think trying to climb that mountain might be dangerous
Yes, that’s why they do it
So everything is fine then.
I don’t give a fuck. Gooooooooooooood. It’s mainly overly wealthy people doing this. They shit and leave crap all over the mountain. Literal shit everywhere.
It is 100% overly wealthy, selfish people and the service workers they’ve trapped with them.
Spending thousands on gear, then going all the way to Nepal (a less developed country) to climb a mountain is the very definition of “overly wealthy.”
Nothing says “I don’t care about anyone else” like insisting on being the millionth tough guy to climb a mountain, just to say they did.
I think this should be part of the risk. Leave them up there and clean the bodies up when it thaws.
Come on with those absolutes… first hit on google for a commercial top of the line expedition ranges between 100k for the crazy short-track « climb the whole thing » to a relatively affordable 3k to go to the base camp…. Which is less than a whole lot of families apparently spend on vacation. Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
It’s actually ok to not like harmful things! It’s called having integrity.
Your arrogance is astounding.
My arrogance ? Sure is… I’m the one judging everyone….
where do you draw the line of harmful things? We are by nature harmful things to a degree with all our activities…
This is not a valuable conversation, because I’ve already told you where I draw the line: somewhere BEFORE “I want to climb Everest.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference between people traveling all the way to Everest and “everyone” makes me think you’re a bot or a troll.
Again, being judgmental is valuable, this conversation is not.
Billionaires shouldn’t exist, people shouldn’t go to Everest because they are insecure.
Not hard to understand. “But—” nothing.
Ok, you’re not even reading. Pathetic. I’ll block you now, bye!
Appealing to authority now? You’re quite a piece all around…
Now take this exact line of reasoning to you owning a phone or having any hobbies and actually try to find a material difference.
Oh yeah there’s totally no difference between having a phone and going to Nepal to climb a mountain…
Genuinely: how fucking stupid are you?
I almost said computer but realized that couldn’t be assumed. Fine, a phone is closer to a necessity.
There is still basically no difference between this and any other hobby that involves something manufactured by people in poor countries other than proximity to the people doing the labor. You are just mad that people who have either a bit or a lot more money for their hobbies have a hobby that doesn’t appeal to you personally.
Oh, the “locals depend on the revenue” argument. Haven’t seen that in a while.
That’s tangential but worth mentioning. At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists so yeah, I feel it’s a sensible argument. My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
That’s the point, and that’s why the guy is not “chill” about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you’d be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little…
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it’s OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative. Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money. System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
Id like to sneak in and offer an opposing argument here. I see what you are saying, but imagine if someone said poachers in Africa depend on the revenue from selling illegal wildlife goods. The idea is that even if its a reality now, it really isn’t a good one, and if they COULD work away from it, it’d likely be better overall.
I would argue that poachers are criminals by definition…. Sherpas must less so.
I invite you to go to Nepal and educate the people on taking a moral stand and cutting off their revenue. I’m sure they’d be very receptive.
You got that fucking backwards, sir.
One does not ask the oppressed to change the abusive relationship, one speaks to the pricks paying 50k to leave their actual feces and trash on a mountain to check a box.
I agree with both of you.
also taking advantage, albiet paying them, sherpas to CARRY all your junk.
You wouldn’t believe the number of people who think owning a phone and traveling to Nepal to climb Everest are the same thing.
Money alone won’t get you up there. No matter how many Sherpa’s you hire, it’s brutal. People spends weeks and weeks at the various base camps just to acclimate, and that does nothing to add to their strength.
And yes they leave literal shit and O2 bottles. Carrying a few extra pounds on the way down could kill you. You have to give it nearly all you got to summit, then the descent is even more dangerous.
We could argue shutting down the mountain, but I’ve never heard of a solution to remove the trash. You have to carry it up, you can’t carry it down.
Read Into Thin Air if you want to know more. I won’t read it again, too brutal.
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yea its like 50-200k per person i believe. Some idiots even tried K2 mountain, which is more deadly.
I read another headline earlier, something like “Blizzard strands 1000 people on Mt Everest.”
And my early morning brain went “ugh Blizzard really is an awful company, going way too overboard with their promotional material.” I wasn’t even that surprised.
Now I see this headline and that earlier one makes more sense 😂
While it’s tragic that the mountain is going to add to its death toll on this, the idea of people queued up on the world’s tallest peak just for limited-time virtual merch, made me chuckle a bit.
After that Pokemon Go stampede in Central Park all those years ago, I’m feel like stunts like that are far more plausible than ever.
Edit: I also keep forgetting about the stuff RedBull does these days…
Yeah that’s the thing. It would be outragiously stupid way to advertise their things, but sadly that does not make it impossible…
they used the lich King to put people in thier place.