ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world
on 03 Sep 06:44
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Better than nothing, and by far better than the nihilistic, hedonistic, consumerist pseudo-ideology the West currently spouses, but the man-worshipping and polytheistic nature of these Trinitarian religious groups is still something to be a little bit wary of.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 03 Sep 20:01
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Wow, Lemmy really hated that. Upvoted for username checking out.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world
on 03 Sep 21:53
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Honestly, I don’t know much about it, it might be one of those crazy American megachurch style nonsense religious groups and in that case, yeah, be double wary. 😔
As someone who has spent most of their life in the US South, evangelicalism has a dominionist pervasive quality that shuns cosmopolitan pluralism. More or less, as an ideology, it tries to take over all aspects of life, and does not respect a world where others are allowed to live their lives differently or free. Be wary, France.
If it’s conversions from Catholicism or other confessions, this is not relevant to the public discourse.
The problem is religion. The sub-flavors of that are irrelevant.
Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Sep 17:38
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The sub-flavors are important. Jainism, Wicca, Asatru, Evangelical, Catholic, etc… all have different world views, expectations etc… some are fairly benign, others are not.
Asatru is the one I liked as a child, when I discovered them on Yahoo! Directory
They set the tone to understand the real nature of the Catholicism that was forced on me (by atheist parents, just “to fit in”) and from there it was a breeze.
Well assuming you write off the secular flavors aka secular Judaism, and I’ve seen at least one secular Wiccan blog.
That said, a little magical thinking never hurt anyone so long as it’s fairly confined. Also lots of folks just looking for community without going all in on dogma.
Religious people never cease to amaze me with their genocides, rampant racism, support for the latest power elite, indoctrination and violation of children, individuation of out-groups to oppose, torture of people with different sexual preferences, exploitation of people lacking education/mental well-being/financial means, de-prioritization of basic human rights against their “clergy”-given values.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
on 03 Sep 22:13
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Shall I list off the crimes and systemic injustices perpetrated by atheists, or secular systems? Because the capacity to do great evil is not a trait exclusive to the religious.
I don’t deny that religious systems often facilitate the grave injustices that you list, but to lay equal blame across all religions and religious people is foolish because it fails to get at the true problem. People abusing their power would be a problem even if there were no religious people in the world at all.
And to me, any ideology that reaches the point in which it has to challenge reason to survive is a religion just the same, and that would easily include nazism, stalinism and late-stage capitalism.
People don’t generally commit crimes or systemic injustice in the name of atheism though. That’s a false equivalency.
Let’s go ahead and get the, “internet atheists are cringe” shit out of the way so people can have an actual conversation maybe.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
on 03 Sep 22:01
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Religion isn’t the problem,
The problem is a beleif system not grounded in reality under the control of random con men that is protected by the law so they don’t have to pay taxes or cooperate with police investigations.
Because you think that the chakra-healing yoga teacher selling supplements, taking advantage of people who are desperate to get better or to look better and who don’t know better, is in any way morally or ethically superior to any member of an organized religion?
She is a priest like all the others in my book. Behaving exactly the same way.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 16:03
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No we shouldn’t allow any con men to work up groups of uneducated people into a frenzy for their own financial gain.
You thinking that this is a whataboutism thing is a sign that you have religious conditioning that you need to work out.
I didn’t say that attention should be given elsewhere. That would be whataboutism.
I am saying that the tree is being mistaken for the forest.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
on 04 Sep 18:56
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You decided that you didn’t like people attacking orginized religon and then compared it to something that is nowhere near as harmful because you assumed I am ok with all other instances of cult behavior to feel like the victim.
That’s whataboutism.
And to be honest, Idk if you can even self reflect for long enough to see that
You need to snap out of this mentality that religion is healthy, it has wormed its way deep into your core.
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Better than nothing, and by far better than the nihilistic, hedonistic, consumerist pseudo-ideology the West currently spouses, but the man-worshipping and polytheistic nature of these Trinitarian religious groups is still something to be a little bit wary of.
Wow, Lemmy really hated that. Upvoted for username checking out.
Evangelicalism is ugly.
Honestly, I don’t know much about it, it might be one of those crazy American megachurch style nonsense religious groups and in that case, yeah, be double wary. 😔
As someone who has spent most of their life in the US South, evangelicalism has a dominionist pervasive quality that shuns cosmopolitan pluralism. More or less, as an ideology, it tries to take over all aspects of life, and does not respect a world where others are allowed to live their lives differently or free. Be wary, France.
If it’s conversions from Catholicism or other confessions, this is not relevant to the public discourse.
The problem is religion. The sub-flavors of that are irrelevant.
The sub-flavors are important. Jainism, Wicca, Asatru, Evangelical, Catholic, etc… all have different world views, expectations etc… some are fairly benign, others are not.
Asatru is the one I liked as a child, when I discovered them on Yahoo! Directory They set the tone to understand the real nature of the Catholicism that was forced on me (by atheist parents, just “to fit in”) and from there it was a breeze.
Definitely. However, they’re all (to my understanding) based on some level of irrational, magical thinking. And that’s bad for society in general.
Well assuming you write off the secular flavors aka secular Judaism, and I’ve seen at least one secular Wiccan blog.
That said, a little magical thinking never hurt anyone so long as it’s fairly confined. Also lots of folks just looking for community without going all in on dogma.
“A little magical thinking” here and there is why Florida now no longer requires childhood vaccines for public schools.
We are seeing the direct results of normalizing pseudoscience and anti-intellectualism (which seem to be inexorably linked).
Internet atheists never cease to amaze me with their intelligent and nuanced takes.
Religious people never cease to amaze me with their genocides, rampant racism, support for the latest power elite, indoctrination and violation of children, individuation of out-groups to oppose, torture of people with different sexual preferences, exploitation of people lacking education/mental well-being/financial means, de-prioritization of basic human rights against their “clergy”-given values.
Shall I list off the crimes and systemic injustices perpetrated by atheists, or secular systems? Because the capacity to do great evil is not a trait exclusive to the religious.
I don’t deny that religious systems often facilitate the grave injustices that you list, but to lay equal blame across all religions and religious people is foolish because it fails to get at the true problem. People abusing their power would be a problem even if there were no religious people in the world at all.
I never said they are not able to do evil.
And to me, any ideology that reaches the point in which it has to challenge reason to survive is a religion just the same, and that would easily include nazism, stalinism and late-stage capitalism.
People don’t generally commit crimes or systemic injustice in the name of atheism though. That’s a false equivalency.
Let’s go ahead and get the, “internet atheists are cringe” shit out of the way so people can have an actual conversation maybe.
Religion isn’t the problem,
The problem is a beleif system not grounded in reality under the control of random con men that is protected by the law so they don’t have to pay taxes or cooperate with police investigations.
So just all orginized religion…
Because you think that the chakra-healing yoga teacher selling supplements, taking advantage of people who are desperate to get better or to look better and who don’t know better, is in any way morally or ethically superior to any member of an organized religion?
She is a priest like all the others in my book. Behaving exactly the same way.
No we shouldn’t allow any con men to work up groups of uneducated people into a frenzy for their own financial gain.
You thinking that this is a whataboutism thing is a sign that you have religious conditioning that you need to work out.
I didn’t say that attention should be given elsewhere. That would be whataboutism.
I am saying that the tree is being mistaken for the forest.
You decided that you didn’t like people attacking orginized religon and then compared it to something that is nowhere near as harmful because you assumed I am ok with all other instances of cult behavior to feel like the victim.
That’s whataboutism.
And to be honest, Idk if you can even self reflect for long enough to see that
You need to snap out of this mentality that religion is healthy, it has wormed its way deep into your core.
I don’t like people attacking organized religion?! Are you joking?
The base behavior is the same: predating on the weaknesses on others leveraging irrational thoughts.
You didn’t even read my first comment.
Aw, someone’s feewings get huwt?
Just an FYI
Evangelists are accelerationists that want the apocalypse to happen so they can all die and go to heaven.
Great now France is going to have a bunch of christofacist morons running around and voting for the end of the world
Le Pen enters the chat.
Better watch out france. this is how america got maga.