Former Biden official Matthew Miller : Israel has 'without doubt' committed war crimes in Gaza
(news.sky.com)
from rumimevlevi@lemmings.world to world@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 17:12
https://lemmings.world/post/27486102
from rumimevlevi@lemmings.world to world@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 17:12
https://lemmings.world/post/27486102
Too late, you are a war criminal just like Genocide Joe
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It’s like saying that H. H. Holmes has without doubt broken some laws.
Wow thank you for speaking up when you hold no power anymore with checks clock 2 years late
If it helps, you see, he was “in government” at the time so he had no choice but to be a shit eating sycophant who told the president whatever he thought he wanted to hear. Had he been outside government, and free from the shackles of his own cowardice, he would have preferred a better candidate. A patriot if ever I saw one.
Legit heroes resigned. This coward should be put in stocks and subsequently run out of public life.
“Just following orders” is very famously not a defense for being complicit in a genocide
America: home of the cowards.
Everyone covering for Biden enabled the return of trump. Brokenass country
Biden was the best president since Jimmy Carter and with Harris as the VP he’d still be doing a better job than what we have now.
Harris and Walz would be amazing but the voters decided Trump is the better choice.
His administration was great; he was not. He has been mentally inept for years, funded what was (and still is) a genocide, and refused to keep his one term promise. Biden even has had the gall to say he would have done better than Kamala after every public appearance where he shit the bed. Biden was and is a piece of shit and it is because of him we are dealing with trump again. He did have competent people in his administration doing good work(miss you Lina Khan). Harris & Walz never had an opportunity because Biden
He took the shitty situation that the country and world was in and turned it around.
He was not and he is not a piece of shit and Trump getting back in is squarely on the shoulders of the people who voted Trump in or decided not to vote.
The world and the country would be in a better place right now almost everywhere if he won again.
Anyone could turn around from what trump did in his 1st term. Yes, the world would be better if he won, but that’s the irony. Biden’s ego delivered another trump victory. It sucks but that’s what happened. If he can’t deliver a clear message, he is not the person that’s going to defeat a lifelong con man. Blaming voters doesn’t win elections and isn’t a path forward. Biden was and is shit for his role in the Gaza genocide alone
And now things are worse there too.
Being a single issue voter on the Gaza topic just makes the world a worse place.
The question you’re trying to dodge was “is Biden a piece of shit for enabling a genocide” not “is Trump worse”.
Usually if you agree with 80% of what someone does you call them an ally.
With some on the left if you don’t agree with 99.9% of what they do then they’re an enemy and it makes them useless as a political bloc.
No matter how tough the single issue is you’ve got to look at the full picture and make a choice from there which I have.
Biden is not a piece of shit and Trump is making the situation worse and the fault lays on people who voted for Trump or chose to stay home.
So someone who enables genocide is not, in your moral framework, a piece of shit. Full stop. Not even a “lesser evil” argument, just straight out not-evil.
Good that we’ve got that definitively stated.
I just posted this but it’s worth repeating.
Blame the two party system which make people switch between the two bad options till the worst happen and the worst of the worst candidate finally won
Personally I blame the voters and non-voters.
I also blame the voters for voting for the two genocidal parties
Genocide has quickly become the biggest thought and conversation ending cliché among the left.
Gotta draw the line somewhere, and the left decided that genocide is that hard line that under no circumstances should be crossed.
If you don’t draw the line at genocide, then where exactly do you draw the line?
Nah the left backed double genocide and there’s blood on their morally pure hands.
Does it matter how morally bankrupt the 20% is?
Asking before I pose any analogies you might think is unfair
It can’t be any more unfair then the purity testing the left puts all of their own through.
Idk man. If, just as an example, Biden “shot someone in the middle of 5th avenue”, i think it would be hubris to expect him not to lose any voters
You can call that ‘purity testing’ if you want, but I’d say that the expectation for it to have no effect is just wishful thinking.
You dont understand its actually really important that I be able to ignore the genocide and operate as if it isnt happening otherwise youre purity testing me and I cant accept being called a bad person for handwaving it away. This is why “the left” is so divided, too many people hung up on the genocide. What happened to imperfect allies! /s
It seems it’s a bigger problem now though.
When the single issue is a genocide that the USA is fully complicit with it is well worth it .
This feels like talking to anti-abortionist.
‘When the issue is killing babies there’s nothing to talk about.’
Don’t compare abortion to genocide
I’m making a point about single issue voters.
Genocide aka mass murdering a whole population or losing certain rights which is worst?
Probably not being able to understand the point.
Abolitionist, more like.
Maybe the temperance movement.
Not when there were two options on the election. One of two people were going to win and a performative vote for neither was as good as a vote for Trump. I agree that Biden was not a good person and his complacency in genocide is atrocious, but he would have been better now than Trump is.
There was two options because the majority of Americans decided so for being fine with a two party system for decade if not more than a century . You can’t blame third party voters which even if they all voted for Harris she would still lost for wanting change
For Americans yes, for Gaza not all all. Trump being vocal about ethnic cleansing plan make you think he is a lot worse but the USA was never going to oppose Israel. Facts on the group is that the USA been giving billions dollars to Israel and unlimited diplomatic support no matter who is in charge. Democrats can’t keep saying over and over about how Biden was trying to hard to stop the war , it won’t make it true when no real pressure was done with actions supporting it.
We already forgot about Bush war crimes and don’t want it to happen again. Don’t think I will forget that trump continued support the genocide when he is out either.
There were two options because the US has a FPtP voting system that always devolves to a two party system. The American voters didn’t decide to go two part as a whole, it was predetermined.
I can absolutely blame third party and non voters. Everyone of them was complacent with a Trump victory, because unless they’re completely ignorant, that was the known outcome. Doesn’t matter how you want to paint it, that’s the reality.
Keep lying yourself, keep complain, keep blaming third party voters and let the United Snake self destruct itself.
The reality is that third party voters has zero real effect on the ground about Harris losing . No amount of blaming will change that.
If you don’t want to remind people about Biden complicity it’s your choice but don;t tell other what to say
Maybe you’ve not read anything else I’ve posted. Biden is a POS and his complacency is disgusting. Trump is worse. If every 3rd party voter voted Harris, she would have won the popular vote and district depending, maybe the electoral as well. Everyone of them is also to blame. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, go ahead, but third party and non voters were complacent with a trump presidency. If they weren’t, they’d have voted for Harris. Doesn’t matter what hoops you jump through to justify, reality is reality, unless your into “alternate facts” like more typical Trump supporters.
I been talking with multiple users on the post. I may get confused in certain points , forget some etc.
Lol it is you who do alternate facts. If every 3rd party voters voted harris she would still lost popular vote.
Just like cult follower you can’t see facts
What’s 75,000,000 + 2,800,000? Is it more than 77,300,000?
Math is hard for some people, and to those of you that struggle with it (the answer is yes, 77.8 million is more than 77.3 million) it may seem like alternative facts, but really, it’s elementary level research and math.
www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/…/2024
His admin got a lot of good shit done and I think history will show it as one of the best presidencies in the past 30+ years, but Biden was and is a PoS for being complacent with genocide. I voted for the same complacent Harris and would have done the same for Biden because Trump was and is worse, but Trump being king of the shit pile doesn’t absolve Biden’s shittiness.
Voters and non voters are 100% to blame for Trump being POTUS, but that and Biden’s admins accomplishments have no bearing on the quality of person that Biden is and was.
Biden continued the same policies every president had before him on Israel.
Genocide has become the left’s thought and conversation ending cliché.
Every president prior to Biden wasn’t facing a full genocide in Palestine. I’m not saying it was sunshine and rainbows before, but it was full invasion genocide during Biden’s tenure. The situation was very different, way worse, and while things should have been different for every president before Biden, he should have been better. He wasn’t, and that’s why he’s a POS.
Also, the actions of other presidents has no bearing on Biden as a person. They were all independently also trash for many of their policies. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
Why are you so hard on downplaying genocide? It should be a main topic in every conversation about US politics, because it’s heinous. Like I’ve said, I voted for the lesser of two evils in the last two elections, I would have voted for Biden if it were him, but it doesn’t excuse his actions.
This is the updated version of ‘are you still beating your wife?’
This is the exact same as the anti-abortion activists screeching about the wholesale murder of babies.
I wish the world was as black and white as you desperately want it to be but if you scratch the surface you realize that it’s very complicated and nuanced and messy.
This isn’t a single issue voter thing. This is condemning genocide and the people that enable it. It’s not at all like anti abortion, because an abortion isn’t murder while slaughtering living humans is. People that didn’t vote for Biden on the grounds of Palestine are idiots, and I know they exist, but that’s not what we’re debating. We’re debating the character of Joe Biden, genocide enabler.
If you don’t think the genocide is a black and white issue, you’re a fucking psycho. If you think that the genocide in Palestine is justified, you maybe had an argument for the first couple of days following the Hamas attack, but the moment it publicly went from trying to get back hostages to carpet bombing hospitals, shooting children, and blocking side to create a famine, you have nothing. That is black and white.
It’s thinking like that that makes wedge issues so effective.
I don’t think the genocide is justified but I think Biden was handling it much better then Trump currently is.
I agree with you, Biden did handle it better, albeit marginally, but what he did (or didn’t) do, still makes him a shit person, just less shitty than the alternative. That’s why I voted for Harris and would have voted for him.
Lemme splain:
He expanded the IRS with, what, 84,000 agents?..under the guise of going after all the crooked billionaires. Everyone cheered!!! Then he set them against anyone who deposited $600.
The IRS immediately started harassing me for money that I absolutely DO NOT FUCKING OWE because that goddamn asshole told everyone to go out and justify their paycheck.
He didnt change any of the tax loopholes for billionaires. He attacked the working class instead.
He has ALWAYS been a right wing conservative, and he’s a fucking demented asshole who should NEVER have been allowed near any nomination stage.
And he didnt win the nom in 2020. He was second to last ahead of Bloomberg. That shit was rigged because “its his turn! Remember obama??!!”
Then he REFUSED to defend the country from criminals and terrorists.
FUCK
JOE
BIDEN
Best President since Jimmy Carter is a low, low bar. We forget that Carter was a neo-liberal who threw labor under the bus. Because the Presidents since have been so right-wing, he looks like a leftist in the rear view. And throwing the working classes under the bus is one of the major reasons we’re here now.
None of that was a sales pitch
That headline's lack of punctuation made me think Mr. M. M. Israel committed war crimes in Gaza. I went to the article to see what it is he could have done there as a former Biden official that would qualify.
Covering war crimes make yoy a war criminal since you are directly complicit
r/TitleGore
Who is “Matthew Miller Israel” and what were his alleged crimes?
I used the autofill function of lemmy without verifiying. That explain the lack of ponctuation.
As for his war crimes, is covering israelis war crimes which make him complicit aka also a war criminal under international law
It’s not your fault. The original article’s title uses very awkward and unfortunate grammar.
State Department Spokesman. Not a policy maker, but he was definitely a significant person involved in providing cover for Israel’s atrocities.
Oh, definitely. But the title of the article makes it sound like a person named “Matthew Miller Israel” was personally in gaza committing war crimes. A modicum of punctuation could have solved it.
Notice the distraction, pulling you away from a current harm and looking instead at an opportunity to blame for a past mistake.
Let’s reopen this criticism of these past mistakes later ok?
Biden and he knew very well what they was doing. That’s not a mistake
I am sure that you agree that the statue of limitation do not apply to someone who committed a crime or assisted the killer. So why do you oppose condemning Biden and Miller and not forget what they did?
Probably because it does nothing now while children are burning to death.
It should definitely not be forgotten… but it also shouldn’t be our focus. Because if you focus on the inconsequential you get the situation we’ve constantly been in the last… well probably at least as long as the US has been a thing.
If this were more like reconstruction after the US civil war, where the damage has been done and we’re trying to recover from it, it might be the same. Where forgiving past mistakes causes massive consequences that are still being felt. We’re not at that point yet, if we ever manage to get there.
We can focus on more than one thing . There is no mistake here, a mistake is an unintentional action that have bad consequences. the USA been deliberately ignoring and helping Israel terrorism, occupation and oppression of Palestinians for decades
Sure, but what we are going to do about it now matters far more than what we’re going to do with the people no longer in a position to do anything about it.
if was criminals don’t face justice, at least it they should be remembered for what they did so history don’t forget
There’s sure gonna be a lot of them if we spend all our time wringing our hands about what they’ve done in the past instead of preventing it in the future!
You can’t prevent anything from happening in the future if you refuse to keep wrong doing in the past relevant
You can’t learn from the past if you spend too much time living in it.
I spend my time in past, present and future all of them are interconnected
Not a single person in the world can fix all issues all at once. Most people can barely keep one important thing in their mind at a time. We have too many things to worry about to obsess about a group of people who have almost no power anymore. If the time comes when the pendulum swings back in their direction, sure, it’s worth making it an issue… but the world is on fire and you seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time buying gasoline.
Stop trying to fight every battle all at once, and most importantly stop trying to get everyone else to care about every battle you’re obsessed with fighting. They’ll just end up treating it like everything else, too much to deal with.
Bla bla bla
You’re right, if you can’t boil an argument down to a tweet it’s clearly not worth listening to :)
Are people dying right now? That’s an immediate need, if so.
Are they in power right now? Campaigning for reelection right now? That’s an immediate need if so.
Please don’t demonize “let’s focus on immediate needs” as I feel that’s a reasonable thing to want.
Sure war criminals can be free with no accountability when they no longer in power. What a terrible logic. We will demonize them as much as we want, you can’t stop that.
Maybe if your presidents was held accountable like Bush , trump wouldn’t feel free to do all the terrible thing he does.
Will you forgive trump and forget his crimes when he is out?
The immediate need is to not allow these weak willed genocide enablers anywhere near power again. We need the position of those connected to this administration to be in pile of pig manure, so that way we get people who aren’t absolute fucking cowards doing less than the bare minimum to maintain their own system.
People are dying right now that Biden’s administration could’ve saved, but because the cause long precedes the effect, we need to be looking farther ahead. Weak liberals will be complicit at best, and monsters at worst, so we need to work every day until the next somewhat fair election to make their brand weak.
When the fascists begin to bleed themselves dry, the left must lead the charge, not the money loving liberals. If we don’t lay that groundwork before most can envision the fight, we’ll have feudalists ushering in a “return to normalcy” with broad support from the public.
These people must live under rocks…
Or the more likely case, they know exactly what they are doing and are complicit.
Exactly. I’m assuming they were benefitting somehow, and no longer are…or something along those lines.
Which ones? Cause Miller seemed to laugh with glee during press conferences
None, I was taking the piss. As I say, I’m assuming that they were benefitting somehow and no longer are. Point is they didn’t wake up yesterday morning and go “you know what, that Gaza situation is a bit fucked”.
Oh, now you’re saying something. That’s fucking rich.
Oh, he was saying things then too. He was one of the main spokespeople defending the genocide.
Thanks, matt.
Man admits complicity in war crimes.