Kremlin revives Soviet-style youth indoctrination as it eyes ‘forever war’ with Ukraine and the West (www.themoscowtimes.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 21:26
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The Kremlin is working to systematically instill “patriotic” values in children and teenagers through a Soviet-style propaganda campaign as it looks toward preparing the next generation for a life shaped by conflict with Ukraine and the West.

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gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 21:35 next collapse

Putin is looking to transform this humiliating defeat into a rallying cry. This is like the iceberg from the Titanic trying to rally against ocean liners.

woop_woop@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 22:17 next collapse

But the iceberg won…

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 15 Sep 03:08 collapse

The battle, sure, but industrialization is winning the war.

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 15 Sep 10:24 collapse

More like climate change is

Neon@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 20:51 collapse

Caused by the burning of fossile fuels caused by the industrialisation

lennybird@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 22:41 next collapse

To him, it’s win-win. Either he expands territory and genocides Ukraine, or her consolidates power as a wartime dictator and commits internal genocide by purging dissidents, ethnic minorities, etc. All the while further concentrating power.

Our modern Hitler.

InvertedParallax@lemm.ee on 15 Sep 17:31 collapse

It’s like the titanic trying to lobby against lifeboats from the ocean floor.

I’m not dead. I’m getting better. I think I’ll go for a walk…

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 18:24 collapse

even better!

MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 21:47 next collapse

The Kremlin is scouting high windows for Vladimir Putin to walk by/lean against.

They have to cut their losses somehow.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 14 Sep 23:25 collapse

They will probably make a fortune from Putin. Why would they fight him?

MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 23:32 next collapse

Yeah, you’re probably right. There’s probably nothing but intense satisfaction with how the war is going.

mwguy@infosec.pub on 15 Sep 09:43 collapse

Because they’ll make a fortune from the next guy too. But they won’t see their entire labor pool decimated.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 15 Sep 10:52 collapse

They don’t care about “the labor pool”.

rammer@sopuli.xyz on 15 Sep 20:21 next collapse

Only when it cuts into their profits.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 15 Sep 22:31 collapse

What would cut into their profits?? Have you never seen how authoritarian regimes work? Do you think North Korea officials want to revolt because of their starving labor pool?

mwguy@infosec.pub on 16 Sep 03:56 next collapse

Not a lot of North Korean billionaires living it up in the West though. To extract that level of wealth you need a better class of worker.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 16 Sep 10:56 collapse

You keep saying that but it’s not necessary to keep power as evidenced by… History.

mwguy@infosec.pub on 17 Sep 02:19 collapse

History says that it is. There have opuoentoy wealthy people into Antiquity. But supporting the number of opuoentoy wealthy that modern Russia has requires an organized economy. You can’t have 1,000 Billionaires in an 500B sized economy.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 17 Sep 10:48 collapse

And yet he remains in power with no sign of that changing.

mwguy@infosec.pub on 21 Sep 00:40 collapse

Some signs. But who knows if it’s just chatter or real talk.

rammer@sopuli.xyz on 17 Sep 05:55 collapse

Western sanctions. Seizure of said profits. Inability to spend any of it on things they want. Devaluation of the ruble. Shrinking Russian economy.

These may not affect the very top that much. At least not for a while. But there are a lot of middle managers that got used to the good things in life.

mwguy@infosec.pub on 16 Sep 03:55 collapse

Industry requires labor. And an extract based wealth generation scheme requires a large amount of unskilled and semi-skilled labor along with a relatively small amount of highly skilled specialists to operate.

It’s in your interest for the unskilled and semi-skilled labor to be as vast as possible to keep costs down.

Deceptichum@quokk.au on 14 Sep 23:37 next collapse

Ooh forever war, how very 1984.

Maybe in a few years they were forever at war with China instead.

Skua@kbin.earth on 14 Sep 23:46 collapse

No need to reference Orwell, the Forever War is already its own piece of dystopian fiction

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 03:25 collapse

(A very good piece of dystopia fiction)

ChicoSuave@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 01:53 next collapse

After seeing Perun’s video on how the Russian war economy is actually doing well, with the biggest limitation being a lack of bodies to fulfill all the jobs, it seems Putin stumbled into a probable stable future built on using human bodies as fuel for his money machine. There may come a point where Ukraine quits the fight, regardless of the outcome, and Russia’s economy collapses.

jlh@lemmy.jlh.name on 15 Sep 08:29 next collapse

I mean even before the war ends, 19% interest is not stable. Capital investment has fallen to a third of what it once was. (ignoring forced investments needed to workaround sanctions) The Russians will also run out of old Soviet stockpile weapons which will be a major hit to their GDP as Russia starts to go into recession.

Vilian@lemmy.ca on 15 Sep 18:41 collapse

It’s stable for the medium and short term, not long term

sudo@lemmy.today on 15 Sep 07:00 next collapse

We no longer need hipsters, rappers, or lovers of Western culture — only Navalny supporters come from them,”

lol

andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 15 Sep 09:23 next collapse

Somewhen in the 00s I had a probably friendship-breaking argument with a pal of mine about the whole ‘patriotism’ thing. Indeed, we lost any connection in the following years, and I suppose that was one of the reasons. Back then, we couldn’t formulate what patriotism is, and he stood on the ground of defending this ephemeral construct while I was all for ditching it.

In the coming years I repeatedly reevaluated what it is for me, and for others, and for the state. While the state’s position is obvious - patriotism is like an oath you take when you enter military service to unconditipnally follow what the state wants. For others it’s a mixed bag, greatly defined not only by the great achievements of the past, but by insecurity that they’d lose even more if their tsar lose support, and the state how it is, even openly criticized, guarantees our material conditions would decline slowly and for a right reason, while the other choice is a chaos that would turn everything upside down like it was in the 90s.

For me, personally, the patriotism started to be a thing after I had a conversation with a lot of people from different regions and backgrounds. We, after all, a family that lives in a large house. Some of the rentees are deeply consumed by the war and the state propaganda, some aren’t, but in the end we all share the same living space and would continue to do so whatever happens. What we all share though, and what led to such a degradation, is a decline in material and social conditions orchestrated by the kremlyads. And if there’s a patriotism in loving your country and your own contrymen, it goes against the current admin, them stealing everything and sending our men into a meatgrinder, them bankrupting our culture, them exchanging our future to get loans from the likes of Iran and China, them giving handshakes or handjobs to Talibs and Kim.

A russian patriot, if there’s one, gonna hate these phoney moves by the state instead of education, hate how it strips russian people bare and send them to die because it felt like it, hate how in a course of an endless VVP admin we turned from a promising country with a hope of establishing a democracy with living wages we turned into pariahs that can’t even leave that bestest vision of the Motherland if we aren’t rich like top propagandists do owning multiple properties in Europe. What I see the best for my country is not aligned with what ‘The collective West’ (as dumbfucks call it) wants us to do, it is to our own egoistic interest to return to the path of development and reinclusion into the world of less shitty states, because it would lead to us not having a second thought about buying okayish meat and bread instead of priced down garbage when we do groceries, and would make us raise kids without a fear that they’d be put down for some greater good.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 10:15 next collapse

Indoctrinating kids, forcibly conscripting people, sending anyone who crosses you to the gulags…

Just grow the big mustache and smoke the pipe, Vlad.

MapleEngineer@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 19:33 collapse

Sounds familiar.

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Oh right…Project 2025.

AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip on 15 Sep 10:29 next collapse

Ah the fascists(russia today is basically that) got inspired by the stalinists

Veneroso@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 18:42 next collapse

Or a failed artist with a silly mustache from Bravaria.

Neon@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 20:18 collapse

Fascism and communism really aren’t that different

One does it in the name of the Race, the other in the name of the proletariat

cosmicrookie@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 10:34 next collapse

Russia is the new north korea

Madison420@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 18:11 next collapse

Forever war? They won’t last 5 years.

Veneroso@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 18:41 next collapse

Fatherland? Seems similar to another country 80 years ago but Ich kann es nicht genau sagen.

Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 20:44 next collapse

Forever war? What happened to nuclear annihilation? Is Vlad Puta having second thoughts? Or has he been bluffing this entire time?

He should just lie to his base the way any other conservative would; declare victory and leave the area. Take some unearned victory laps and celebrate fake accomplishments for the next several years. Done.

irotsoma@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 22:50 collapse

This isn’t about image or ideology for Putin, though he definitely can’t afford to lose face either. This has always been about proving he could have won the cold war if people had just listened to him. This involves returning direct control, or at least very close alliances with his pawns in charge, with all of the former USSR territories. And winning against the West, though I’m not sure what criteria he has on that side of things besides bringing the US under his indirect control which he’s half way there.

CitizenKong@lemmy.world on 16 Sep 06:25 next collapse

From three day special operation to forever war, from world power to laughing stock.

YeetPics@mander.xyz on 16 Sep 10:36 collapse

Can Putin admit he was wrong for the last couple years, or will he quadruple down and get mollywhopped back into the 1920s?

So sick of hearing about this short fuckin’ loser making his tiny-dick threats. I hope his bald, inbred ass is reading this and it hurts him how much we all laugh at him.