Israeli girl, 12, seen in viral ‘Harry Potter’ photo found dead with grandma in Gaza
(nypost.com)
from praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 2023 00:33
https://sh.itjust.works/post/7519326
from praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 2023 00:33
https://sh.itjust.works/post/7519326
The 12-year-old Israeli girl whose “Harry Potter”-inspired photo went viral after she was kidnapped by Hamas has been found dead alongside her grandmother in Gaza.
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How’d she die? Execution? Bombing?
Death by Hamas
That’s not very specific. If they executed her, wouldn’t they want to say that. So, I can only presume it’s from an Israeli bombing.
Not that that’s a big leap to make, you’re just blowing smoke out your ass.
I looked at 5-10 articles to find cause of death. Israeli officials aren’t releasing it. My presumption could be wrong. Why not release the cause of death? 🤔
Edit: One article did say rescue workers found her. Just saying…
I don’t think this girl or her grandma went to Gaza of their own accord. Bringing people into an area you’re going to make a war zone after an attack still makes you at fault for their death.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that understands Israel’s role in her death.
If a bunch of Hamas terrorists drag a 12 year old into the path of an incoming bombardment, they’re still the ones responsible for that death.
Someone ordered the bombing. They’re to blame. Should we go back to the Nakba, the Balfour Declaration and the British mandate? Or are we aiming for the Garden of Eden and original sin? Let’s take the philosophical route and delve into the origins of human nature. Maybe she’s still alive in another universe. The inability for some to see the context of history and the cause and effect that occurs limits my hope for humanity. We have the ability to seek and learn knowledge, but choose not to, based on some indoctrinated belief system that was neither designed or chosen by the vast majority. God works in mysterious ways.
Hamas started the war and hid in cities, trying to make sure enough civilians were around that Israel had trouble retaliating after they launched their rockets at civilians. They’re genocidal terrorists who are religious fanatics. I’m gonna blame them for their hostage dying. If you aren’t, that’s a you problem.
Revisionist history
You can either insist there’s been a consistent conflict since 1948, which was started by the Arabs, or you can mark the beginning of the current conflict at the massive terrorism attack by Hamas this year. Take your pick.
What a shame. You limit your understanding of this conflict.
It’s just reality, man
Sure, reality.
Why are you guys never coming up with a source that shows the opposite? Who started this war in your opinion? Was it Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan? Because they sure as shit startet a war one day after Israel was declared a state in this region.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
And this pretty much looks like Israel likely did not start this war or this conflict and had to fight for their existence from day one. I’m not saying that everything they’re doing is acceptable or that they are not fueling this war too, but I pretty much understand that they are in a life or death situation since from the very beginning.
And to all possible Downvoters: instead of just downvoting me, please try to explain the issues with my conclusion or come up with some other sources if I missed something.
pro hamas ppl will downvote you. people have already taken their stance
Who is pro hamas? No one is. However people are anti-genocide, mainly the Palestinian genocide happening right now. Sane people just want peace.
If you want peace, talk to Hamas. They started this war. If they surrender to Israeli authorities, the war will end.
Then why did Palestinians die in West Bank? Where there is no Hamas? The Israeli government is blaming all Palestinians and won’t stop even if they surrendered.
There are militant groups in the West Bank which have been participating in hostilities.
Gee, you’re interminable. I hope you’re trolling, otherwise I feel sorry for how misinformed you are. Uncle Cletus may not be the best person to get info about Palestinian history.
Try rereading history from a non-western perspective so you can put yourself in a Palestinian’s shoes. As Israel was established, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled against their will. Villages were massacred and burned. Source. Why does it matter who started the war? Israel, as it was established, should have never happened the way it did. A minority population should never be given more land than the majority. Jews could have been given land in Palestine and coexisted, but the west and the UN were hellbent on creating a state of Israel.
But they did create the state and Israel exists and part of the Nakba happend also after the war that took more land of them because Israel won, what I find quite understandable.
And I would also say that they all had enough time to fucking accept it and move on, most certainly better then to throw generations in war about the Middle East…
That was a ramble.
But acting like Israel’s carpet bombing of Gaza is like a force of nature is weird as well, no? The way you say it, it sounds like Hamas took the hostages into the path of a Hurricane. Was it so clear to everyone that Israel wouldn’t give a shit about the hostages and would be bombing Gaza indiscriminately?
If Israel was carpet bombing Gaza, we would have a million dead civilians now. I don’t know why y’all need to make shit up.
There’s more than 3.5k palestine death caused by israeli indiscriminately bombing. Having less than what you expect doesn’t make them any hero
I love how no one in this thread cares about all the Palestinian children that died in those bombings, and probably still more are dying. None of these killings are justified, it’s all horrible. The only thing we should be considering is peace, but I see barely any of you doing that. (If it wasn’t obvious, I’m not directing this message towards you, just all of the down voting losers)
The logic of war crime apologist is weird.
Yep, and they keep down voting because they don’t have any real tangible arguments to make.
I do care about both the Palestinian and Israeli victims of Hamas’s actions. I’m just blaming the party responsible.
The Israeli government keeps Palestinians in an open air prison, turning on and off their utilities and their trade routes at will. Anyone would retaliate against those conditions. And then they punish all Palestinians by tossing bombs at them with no regard to who’s under them.
Gaza isn’t a prison, dude. And they are free to develop their own utility sources.
Sounds like they should do something about Hamas.
According to Hamas, there is that many dead.
Well maybe israel shouldn’t bomb the area and focus on saving the hostage like everyone have told them, she wouldn’t be dead
So, you want a full blown ground invasion of Gaza.
Is genocide the only thing you can think of?
you said you wanted them to stop bombing. The next step would be a ground invasion.
Would that cause less civilian casualty?
I don’t think anyone knows for sure.
Full stop, it’s always the one who sent the missle who kills the person and is responsible. It’s always up to them to verify that civilians aren’t around the target. Isreal doesn’t care about childrens being a victim of their attacks.
Oh?
So, if I shoot at you and hide behind a child, it is your fault for defending yourself? Not mine for TAKING A HOSTAGE?
If I shoot back while you’re behind that child, it shows how little I care about the child, or at the very least conflicting priorities.
And what happens when the person hiding behind that child is shooting at other children? You do the best you can, but sometimes, shit happens.
You’re still just as much as enemy of that hostage as the hostage taker is.
The missle was miles away, no one was in danger when it was sent except the literal person that it killed (and a bunch of civilians that probably had nothing to do with it, half of them statistically children)
When there is a hostage situation, the cops don’t bomb the whole building even when shot at. Any hostage death directly caused by an officer is a complete and utter failure.
I reject your rhetoric. Your analogy is clearly not apt and still points to unacceptable behavior.
Isreal does not care about the hostages, they do not care about the civilians and children casualties. They are killing swaths of people to steal land, to cleanse whole towns ethnically and to “teach” Hamas a lesson.
I’m constantly surprised how easy it is for certain people to cheer on genocide and mass murder. You should be ashamed.
So what you're telling us is that both sides have equal blame in this terrorist attack that took the lives of so many civilians?
I can agree with that, it's reasonable
Don’t put words in my mouth if you want to seem reasonable.
I’m sorry, is Gaza doing a bombing campaign on itself? Hamas is horrible, but bombing hostages and civilians is not the right play here. All of you calling these bombings justified don’t want peace or justice, you want revenge. And that revenge costs more innocent people’s lives.
Why not release the cause of death of a 12-year old? Because Israel is a civilized country perhaps. If you want to fap to corpses of children, perhaps check out Hamas’s tik tok.
Investigating the claims made in an article is not even close to what you describe.
The same with the rocket striking the hospital, research is needed to figure out what is happening. From your rethoric I’m assuming you too be sitting the Israeli cause. Would you rather have the whole world exploding with anger about Israel bombing an hospital? That’s why you need research and proper questioning sources and claims.
Bit weird to instantly accuse people of whatever act you proposed just for being critical about an article in the frenzied media warfare we’re in.
A civilized country doesn’t routinely turn children into corpses. Daily reminder that 47.3% of the Gaza population is under 18.
Isreal would share the cause of death while licking their lips if it was an execution. They would happily share the footage of it and spread it.
Civilized countries don’t bomb civilians. And your fascination with necrophilia is disturbing.
Very much possible, Where I come from, neither identity or crime details would be released in case of under age victim .
In place I come from neither identify or crime details are released if the victim was kid.
Hadn’t thought of that. But shouldn’t they state that in an article? It would be helpful.
Don’t know. They could. Maybe it’s because it’s a tabloid or it might be considered a “norm” in their way of operation.
Can we all at least agree that it’s flaccid-dicked small men on both sides, and other old men with shriveled balls benefiting off of it from the sidelines?
Anyone who thinks that escalating this thing with more guns will solve anything hasn’t read a single paragraph of history. It can only make things worse. All Hamas did with their bombing was give the Israeli regime casus belli to commit whatever atrocities they want, and in turn Netanyahu’s fuckboys carpet bombing Gaza is just radicalizing everyone there for the next generation. It’s not too late to ramp this down before it pulls in the rest of the region, but we also have western arms manufacturers pushing every government to send our guns and bombs over. The machine of war doesn’t like being slowed down once you allow it to get moving again.
Trying to place blame for any one atrocity at this point is like pissing on a campfire when the forest behind you is on fire.
So the Palestinians should resign themselves to be oppressed second class citizens with no rights? Maybe they should complain harder? They protested peacefully in 2018 and were shot.
You’ve mistaken Lemmy for Twitter. That’s where you post made up shit.
Not true, at all. There are so many instances calling it lemmy is disengenuous and reductive. Furthermore I see. SO MANY PEOPLE posting their feelings as facts, “Lemmy” is not immune to morons
Probably bombing. They've almost certainly spread the hostages around their most secure military areas to both make it hard for anyone to come get them back and to make them causalities of Israeli attacks against Hamas infrastructure. I doubt they were executed; Hamas kidnapped them for a reason beyond killing them, they could have just slaughtered them with everyone else.
You’re making too much sense. And if it was a bombing that would make Israel look bad. So, I’m gonna choose to believe that Hamas tied them up so they could rape them before executing and be heading them. /s
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Edit: A grammar
Here are articles from another source for people to cross-reference:
abcnews.go.com/International/…/story?id=104135722
cbsnews.com/…/noya-carmela-dan-grandmother-israel…
Probably killed in an Israeli air strike.
Really sad to see Israel enacting the “Hannibal Directive”