Yeah, nobody voting for Trump cares. They’re brown people. They might PRETEND to care, but I promise you they don’t. This isn’t one of those things that isn’t going to pull toward Biden OR Trump either way.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 21:59
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This isn’t about Trump voters what-so-ever.
This is about keeping the paper thin support that Biden has in place. He’s floundering, utterly right now.
He needs every scrap of help he can get to win this election, and his policies are costing him support in key demographics.
Biden’s only support has always been “I’m not Trump”. Nobody is changing their mind on if they’re voting for Biden because of little “scrap(s) of help”.
His policies aren’t costing him support anywhere, it’s a common whataboutism that Trump supporters spout to try and claim that Biden is slipping, trying to further erode poll numbers.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 22:12
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His policies aren’t costing him support anywhere, it’s a common whataboutism that Trump supporters spout to try and claim that Biden is slipping, trying to further erode poll numbers.
100,000 voters in Michigan just voted ‘No Confidence’, because of his policies around Gaza and Israel, or approximately 10% of the vote.
Biden can not afford to lose 10% of the votes he got in 2020. He will lose if he does, and especially not in swing states (like MI).
2016 it wasn’t Trump v Biden now was it. Hillary Clinton was her own worst enemy. That’s a whole fucking can of worms all on its own. She was responsible for the grave she dug. Fake-ass I carry hot-sauce with me everywhere, please-like-me-black-people Hillary Clinton…her woes had nothing to do with Primary voters not falling in line and more to do with her being an unlikeable cunt.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
on 02 Mar 2024 00:54
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Biden’s only support has always been “I’m not Trump”.
When the alternative is that traitorous twat, that support is one hell of a trump card (sorry not sorry)
But it's one he's wasting by basically supporting a genocide.
NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Mar 2024 14:54
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I voted for him on his not-Trump platform last time and I won’t vote for him this time unless he stops this shit in Israel. Either he shapes up or steps down from the primaries… or we risk Trump again.
jordanlund@lemmy.world
on 02 Mar 2024 05:28
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SaintWacko@midwest.social
on 02 Mar 2024 01:38
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Oh yes, let’s elect someone who supports Israel AND plans to be a dictator. Good idea!
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
on 02 Mar 2024 04:33
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The primary…. Doesn’t elect a president.
So… nice try.
SaintWacko@midwest.social
on 02 Mar 2024 23:49
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Original comment said “vote uncommitted”. Yes, that’s regarding the D primary
0rg45mlc5uck3r84@lemmy.world
on 02 Mar 2024 23:47
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Oh hell yeah I’m voting for Trump!
President Donald Trump shattered decades of unwavering U.S. neutrality on Jerusalem on December 6th 2017, declaring the sorely divided holy city as Israel’s capital and sparking frustrated Palestinians to cry out that he had destroyed already-fragile Mideast hopes for peace.
Defying dire, worldwide warnings, Trump insisted that after repeated peace failures it was past time for a new approach, starting with what he said was his decision merely based on reality to recognize Jerusalem as the seat of Israel’s government. He also said the United States would move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, though he set no timetable.
“We cannot solve our problems by making the same failed assumptions and repeating the same failed strategies of the past,” Trump said, brushing aside the appeals for caution from around the world.
When Trump comes back to power he will definitely recognize Gaza as Israel territory and also remove Biden’s sanctions on West Bank’s Jewish settlers.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Mar 2024 01:36
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How can anyone in the administration justify this? It’s pointlessly petty and cruel.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net
on 02 Mar 2024 04:09
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I think we’re just more lucid and aware of what our government has been doing since the ink on the Declaration of Independence was signed.
People don’t say this often, but the quality of the coverage of this horrifying ordeal is the best I’ve ever really seen. There’s plenty of shortcomings, but the wars in Vietnam and Iraq and even against Isis weren’t covered this closely or clearly.
I think Biden et al are operating as they always have, it’s just the level of public awareness of it all that makes this so shocking.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
on 02 Mar 2024 04:31
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Not to mention, it’s entirely on Biden. He’s the one who tells the UN ambassador to veto or how to vote for whatever.
They could at the very least just abstain. Vetoing is so fucking absurd, we won’t even allow OTHER COUNTRIES to put pressure on them for obviously-acceptable behavior
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
on 02 Mar 2024 16:01
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Like why are the US doing nothing/ burry their head in the sand?
Now please don’t bite my head off because I think at this point it’s actually a fair question. Are there a lot of people in the upper levels of government with connections to Israel or is there more to it?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Mar 2024 13:51
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It’s that, but also, look up AIPAC. Lobbying is a huge problem in the US, and it was made way worse a couple decades ago by the SC’s decision in the Citizens United case.
There’s still more to it than that, but politically speaking, that’s a big part of the dynamic in modern times.
jet@hackertalks.com
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TheFriar@lemm.ee
on 03 Mar 2024 01:50
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Jesus Christ.
Biden just writing trump the check. Not that he will be any better. In fact, he’ll be much, much worse. But when you have the power right now, and everyone is looking, you’re only shooting yourself in the foot when you’re turning around saying people should vote for you because he other guy is so awful. You’re…supporting genocide. It’s hard to get much worse than that.
What’s happening to the Palestinian people is the true atrocity. That part obviously be ignored. It’s absolutely the most pressing issue. But in the context of US politics, this kind of shit could very well spell the end of democracy. It dies supporting genocide. And it’ll maybe even bring genocide home. hooray.
FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
on 03 Mar 2024 02:18
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The UN and NATO really need to do away with veto powers. Like holy shit does it make organizations useless with one bad faith actor.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world
on 03 Mar 2024 19:02
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The veto is why the Security Council, and the UN in general, works. Its ultimate goal is to stop global war. And by “global war” it means wars that pulls in all the superpowers at once against each other, not all war on the globe.
The veto has made it successful because it prevents the UN from acting against the interests of any of the superpowers that can sustain a war against the rest of the UN. And because of that, the superpowers keep diplomatic channels through the UN open at all times because none of them will ever be at war with the UN itself.
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Of course they blocked it. Apparently the US doesn’t criticize genocide anymore.
No, its a full throat-ed support of genocide. Its Joe Biden doing this.
If you don’t want Trump for president in 2024, then call for Joe Biden to do better.
Yeah, nobody voting for Trump cares. They’re brown people. They might PRETEND to care, but I promise you they don’t. This isn’t one of those things that isn’t going to pull toward Biden OR Trump either way.
This isn’t about Trump voters what-so-ever.
This is about keeping the paper thin support that Biden has in place. He’s floundering, utterly right now.
He needs every scrap of help he can get to win this election, and his policies are costing him support in key demographics.
Biden’s only support has always been “I’m not Trump”. Nobody is changing their mind on if they’re voting for Biden because of little “scrap(s) of help”.
His policies aren’t costing him support anywhere, it’s a common whataboutism that Trump supporters spout to try and claim that Biden is slipping, trying to further erode poll numbers.
100,000 voters in Michigan just voted ‘No Confidence’, because of his policies around Gaza and Israel, or approximately 10% of the vote.
Biden can not afford to lose 10% of the votes he got in 2020. He will lose if he does, and especially not in swing states (like MI).
Yeah, in a primary. Those voters will fall right back in line during election season. They always do.
They didn’t in 2016.
2016 it wasn’t Trump v Biden now was it. Hillary Clinton was her own worst enemy. That’s a whole fucking can of worms all on its own. She was responsible for the grave she dug. Fake-ass I carry hot-sauce with me everywhere, please-like-me-black-people Hillary Clinton…her woes had nothing to do with Primary voters not falling in line and more to do with her being an unlikeable cunt.
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Hi! I voted for Biden last time. I am not this time because of this shit.
If you would like, feel free to read through my comment history to see exactly when that changed.
I may have come here during the Rexodus but I’m fairly decent commentor, in quantity, at least
When the alternative is that traitorous twat, that support is one hell of a trump card (sorry not sorry)
But it's one he's wasting by basically supporting a genocide.
I voted for him on his not-Trump platform last time and I won’t vote for him this time unless he stops this shit in Israel. Either he shapes up or steps down from the primaries… or we risk Trump again.
So you’re voting for Trump this go around, thanks for making that public. I’ll just go ahead and note that here.
Joe Biden specifically blocked this. Joe Biden endorses Genocide. Reminder to vote Uncommitted.
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Oh yes, let’s elect someone who supports Israel AND plans to be a dictator. Good idea!
The primary…. Doesn’t elect a president.
So… nice try.
Are we talking about the primary?
Original comment said “vote uncommitted”. Yes, that’s regarding the D primary
Oh hell yeah I’m voting for Trump!
President Donald Trump shattered decades of unwavering U.S. neutrality on Jerusalem on December 6th 2017, declaring the sorely divided holy city as Israel’s capital and sparking frustrated Palestinians to cry out that he had destroyed already-fragile Mideast hopes for peace.
Defying dire, worldwide warnings, Trump insisted that after repeated peace failures it was past time for a new approach, starting with what he said was his decision merely based on reality to recognize Jerusalem as the seat of Israel’s government. He also said the United States would move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, though he set no timetable.
“We cannot solve our problems by making the same failed assumptions and repeating the same failed strategies of the past,” Trump said, brushing aside the appeals for caution from around the world.
When Trump comes back to power he will definitely recognize Gaza as Israel territory and also remove Biden’s sanctions on West Bank’s Jewish settlers.
How can anyone in the administration justify this? It’s pointlessly petty and cruel.
I think we’re just more lucid and aware of what our government has been doing since the ink on the Declaration of Independence was signed.
People don’t say this often, but the quality of the coverage of this horrifying ordeal is the best I’ve ever really seen. There’s plenty of shortcomings, but the wars in Vietnam and Iraq and even against Isis weren’t covered this closely or clearly.
I think Biden et al are operating as they always have, it’s just the level of public awareness of it all that makes this so shocking.
Not to mention, it’s entirely on Biden. He’s the one who tells the UN ambassador to veto or how to vote for whatever.
They could at the very least just abstain. Vetoing is so fucking absurd, we won’t even allow OTHER COUNTRIES to put pressure on them for obviously-acceptable behavior
They can’t. These moves are being purchased.
Why is it happening?
Like why are the US doing nothing/ burry their head in the sand?
Now please don’t bite my head off because I think at this point it’s actually a fair question. Are there a lot of people in the upper levels of government with connections to Israel or is there more to it?
It’s that, but also, look up AIPAC. Lobbying is a huge problem in the US, and it was made way worse a couple decades ago by the SC’s decision in the Citizens United case.
There’s still more to it than that, but politically speaking, that’s a big part of the dynamic in modern times.
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Jesus Christ.
Biden just writing trump the check. Not that he will be any better. In fact, he’ll be much, much worse. But when you have the power right now, and everyone is looking, you’re only shooting yourself in the foot when you’re turning around saying people should vote for you because he other guy is so awful. You’re…supporting genocide. It’s hard to get much worse than that.
What’s happening to the Palestinian people is the true atrocity. That part obviously be ignored. It’s absolutely the most pressing issue. But in the context of US politics, this kind of shit could very well spell the end of democracy. It dies supporting genocide. And it’ll maybe even bring genocide home. hooray.
The UN and NATO really need to do away with veto powers. Like holy shit does it make organizations useless with one bad faith actor.
The veto is why the Security Council, and the UN in general, works. Its ultimate goal is to stop global war. And by “global war” it means wars that pulls in all the superpowers at once against each other, not all war on the globe.
The veto has made it successful because it prevents the UN from acting against the interests of any of the superpowers that can sustain a war against the rest of the UN. And because of that, the superpowers keep diplomatic channels through the UN open at all times because none of them will ever be at war with the UN itself.