Trump says he's been rejected by NATO, most allies to join mission to secure critical Strait of Hormuz (www.pbs.org)
from Redditsux@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 20:49
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comador@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 20:58 next collapse

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Still too big for this fool.

assembly@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 21:19 next collapse

“We will protect them, but they will do nothing for us, in particular, in a time of need.”

I thought the US already destroyed 100% of the Iranian military? If I were an ally, it would sound to me like the help is not needed as there is no military remaining to fight.

Arghblarg@lemmy.ca on 17 Mar 21:35 next collapse

Like how the US protected Ukraine when it gave up its nukes, trusting that the West and NATO would protect them if Russia decided to invade?

I know, that invasion began between Orange Man’s two terms, but still. The US in general needs to STFU about how it supposedly protects the world, they dropped the ball bigtime there.

Zombie@feddit.uk on 18 Mar 09:18 collapse

That invasion began in 2014…

It marked the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian war.

en.wikipedia.org/…/2014_Russian_annexation_of_Cri…

Arghblarg@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 16:20 collapse

Apologies, you’re absolutely right. I forgot to factor in the original annexation!

fizzle@quokk.au on 17 Mar 22:39 next collapse

Apparently Iran is being dishonest by keeping the strait closed after they’ve already lost the war.

Akasazh@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 00:19 next collapse

Once again the only country that invoked article 5 ever, was the USA

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 12:09 collapse

False.

arctanthrope@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 00:43 collapse

according to him a number can be reduced by up to 1500%, so if they’ve done 100%, they’re only 6.67% done

vane@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 21:23 next collapse

He can ask “Board of Peace” for help

grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one on 17 Mar 22:27 next collapse

dang you beat me to it!

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 17 Mar 22:30 next collapse

“Bored of Peace”

hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Mar 22:37 collapse

Board of (exploding shit to )peace(s).

I think there’s a typo

scaredoftrumpwinning@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 00:43 next collapse

Thanks for saying it, I thought everyone forgot

freebee@sh.itjust.works on 18 Mar 06:48 collapse

haha didn’t think of that yet. The “thank you” from trump to Qatar, Bahrain, Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan: quite a few of the members got fucked over very quickly with the generous gift of regional instability!

ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world on 17 Mar 21:26 next collapse

What does he think NATO is? Isn’t the treaty to protect against aggression, not be the aggressors?

Mihies@programming.dev on 17 Mar 21:32 next collapse

Hm, many NATO countries actually did the latter for the US in the past.

albbi@piefed.ca on 17 Mar 22:24 collapse

The US was actually attacked at that time. Iraq was a different story and “coalition of the willing” was used.

tarball@lemmy.zip on 17 Mar 23:25 next collapse

NATO’s Article 5 was invoked only once, by the US. Trump had the audacity to insult (former?) allies and deny that ever happened.

I think it’s great no one wants to join his unsanctioned war.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 12:07 collapse

NATO’s Article 5 was invoked only once, by the US.

Certifiably false.

atropa@piefed.social on 18 Mar 06:07 next collapse

Psst ,9 11 was a false flag operation and with inside help from  ……

Mihies@programming.dev on 18 Mar 06:43 collapse

Sorry, wat? Attacked by who? Saudis? The official reason for the yet another illegal war was that Saddam was amassing WMDs - do you see any familiar made up cause here?

CaptDust@sh.itjust.works on 17 Mar 21:35 next collapse

He believes he is the king of the world and NATO is a human resources investment similar to the many departments of Trump Kingdom LLC.

Far as he’s concerned, who cares if that’s not their job or intention. He’s paying the bills damn it - he pay the bill, plebs do what he says. It’s really that simple.

Rooster326@programming.dev on 17 Mar 21:43 next collapse

A human resources investment which he has cut the funding for

ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 21:53 next collapse

How long before he explicitly demands to speak to the manager of NATO. I guess in some ways he already has.

Alexstarfire@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 03:23 next collapse

Trump paid a bill? Nah, that doesn’t sound right.

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 05:52 collapse

he pay the bill

Narrator: Trump never pays his bills

flandish@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 21:57 next collapse

these psychopaths believe ripping babies apart is self defense. they have no souls or humanity.

Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 22:23 next collapse

I mean, some NATO nations have been known to join the US in a dumb fight. But Trump has also directly tariffed and threatened many of the nations that would normally help the US. Friends are gonna be short supply.

CaptDust@sh.itjust.works on 17 Mar 22:34 next collapse
Dragomus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 03:59 next collapse

Spit your allies/friends in the face and see what you get …

I wouldn’t be surprised if trump is looking to use this for an eventual “out” … throw a tantrum that he’s not getting help so he’ll pull out of the gulf region completely, only do the bombings but leave the strait and it’s cargo issues as the unresolved mess they are.

Lucelu2@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 09:56 collapse

Americans can’t afford to buy stuff now anyway, it’s not like they were going to get a lot of trade. We can barely afford our rent/groceries and hundreds are getting laid off every week.

betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 23:36 next collapse

That’s not what Putin told him.

CircaV@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 00:12 next collapse

Yeah well Trump IS a fucking idiot.

adespoton@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 00:17 collapse

Surely NATO could make an exception here and come to the aid of a non-member who’s the victim of aggression.

Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz on 17 Mar 21:33 next collapse

The far right criticizes NATO when they either don’t do “enough” by their standards (even though NATO is purely a defensive alliance), or “too much” by defending against Russian aggression.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 12:16 collapse

NATO is purely a defensive alliance

Which NATO nation was NATO defending in Yugoslavia in 1999?

DandomRude@piefed.social on 17 Mar 21:33 next collapse

The U.S. has threatened a founding member of NATO with a war of aggression, and furthermore, the U.S. is committing war crimes alongside the genocidal Israel - this is the situation in which the U.S. is calling for support for a war of aggression that tramples on international law. Or to put it another way: It is the situation that a narcissist - who should have been in prison for decades - has brought about with what he calls the “Art of the Deal.” GTFO!

timewarp@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 22:08 collapse

The Art of the Steal

phutatorius@lemmy.zip on 17 Mar 23:56 collapse

The art of the squeal. Piggy piggy piggy.

zwerg@feddit.org on 17 Mar 21:44 next collapse

This reminds me of the Suez canal crisis in the 50s, if I recall correctly. That marked the end of the British and French empires.

Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 18 Mar 05:19 collapse

One of the times we (uk) asked America for help and they refused.

blarth@thelemmy.club on 17 Mar 21:54 next collapse

Oh, I see what’s going on now.

Trump’s main goal is Putin’s goal. Weaken the United States and its allegiances.

Now that he’s been “rebuffed” by NATO, he’s got even more justification to weaken NATO and the UN.

Cute checkers move.

IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com on 17 Mar 22:07 next collapse

I feel like Russia and Israel owning trump is a scapegoat. It’s really just rich people.

timewarp@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 22:16 collapse

I can’t wait for Democrats to start a war with Russia by saying the Iran War was their fault

flandish@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 21:57 next collapse

welp he is this century’s 2nd hitler.

Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip on 17 Mar 22:09 collapse

Who was the first?

flandish@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 23:02 collapse

netanyahoo

Tonava@sopuli.xyz on 18 Mar 07:40 collapse

I’d say he’s got the third place at most, with Putin around as well. Though I guess it would be more in line to call that fascist a stalin

lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org on 17 Mar 22:04 next collapse

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Geobloke@aussie.zone on 18 Mar 02:38 collapse

Donny no friends

lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org on 18 Mar 03:11 collapse

Plenty no friends.

saltesc@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 22:12 next collapse

Even if NATO wanted to help, it can’t. Trump and the US’s actions are opposed to the charter. Unlike the Trump government, NATO nations stick to their laws to ensure it doesn’t go psycho, rogue, or aggressive.

Countries of NATO may act independently of NATO—under their own banner—but consider how much the US has slandered and abused them, it’s looking unlikely.

grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one on 17 Mar 22:27 next collapse

ask your friends who are bored of peace, Don

PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 22:49 next collapse

To quote that kid… .“no shit, donny!” What a fucking joke twe have become. SMDH

FarceOfWill@infosec.pub on 17 Mar 22:51 next collapse

“I would also like to remind you that the U.S. and Israel did not consult us before the war, and that Washington explicitly stated at the start of the war that European assistance was neither necessary nor desired,” Kornelius said.

CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca on 17 Mar 23:09 next collapse

I wonder why 🤔

fizzle@quokk.au on 17 Mar 22:44 next collapse

I love this for him.

rbos@lemmy.ca on 17 Mar 23:24 next collapse

I thought he didn’t need Canada for anything?

The USA has its dick in a blender, let’s not follow their lead.

heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net on 17 Mar 23:34 next collapse

He wanted the war, he can go out and fight it

Greyghoster@aussie.zone on 17 Mar 23:37 next collapse

Unlikely, he’s a draft dodger.

PunnyName@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 00:32 collapse

Everyone should if necessary. He’s a shit person for many ancillarily reasons.

atropa@piefed.social on 18 Mar 06:10 collapse

Send his son to Iran

daannii@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 23:57 next collapse

Reads like a text chat between an incel and a woman on the internet.


Trump: You are stupid. You are ugly and fat. I’m so much better than you ever will be and also fuck all our agreements. Null and void. And you owe me $13.47 for that coffee I paid for.

Them: stares confused . Then watches their economies be negatively impacted by trump.

Trump: hey we are buddies right? Come help me bomb civilians.

Them: no thanks.

Trump: you are a stupid fat ugly bitch and I don’t need you anyway.

Trump (next day): how’s it going? . So when are you deploying your troops to help out at the straight?

Them: blocks trump

NekoKoneko@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 00:14 next collapse

Yup. It’s really as simple as that. Trump is a sociopathic abuser, and the macro version of that is essentially the same as the micro.

olympicyes@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 01:44 next collapse

I read this in the South Park style “Hey Satan!” way.

atropa@piefed.social on 18 Mar 06:09 next collapse

His in the white house ? So bring the guys in white jackets ,  take him to the funny farm.

nightshade@piefed.social on 18 Mar 07:54 collapse

Where life is beautiful all the time?

atropa@piefed.social on 18 Mar 11:05 collapse
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 18 Mar 06:47 collapse

true story.

SirMaple__@lemmy.ca on 17 Mar 23:59 next collapse

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dellish@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 07:09 next collapse

And when he gets there, he should fuck off again.

ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe on 18 Mar 07:23 collapse

i am totally stealing this ;-)

i like the phrase “take a long walk off a short pier”, but this is easier to post

CircaV@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 00:11 next collapse

Literally no official channel from the US has asked NATO. (Rage tweets are not official) The US was not attacked so it can’t invoke article 5. No one from NATO needs to help this American war adventurism.

kent_eh@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 03:22 collapse

No one from NATO needs to help this American war adventurism.

Further to that, they all recognize the folly of the whole thing and don’t want to get mired in the disaster that Trump has triggered.

jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 18 Mar 05:48 next collapse

they all recognize the folly of the whole thing

Oh I wouldn’t be so sure about that. I mean I doubt NATO will get involved, but some individual countries might – there are a lot of reich-wing governments over on this side of the pond.

Lucelu2@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 09:54 next collapse

Maybe his buddies Orban and Kim Jong Un will give him a hand.

kent_eh@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 19:28 collapse

but some individual countries might – there are a lot of reich-wing governments over on this side of the pond.

Maybe, but how many of them have fired all their military strategists and historians?

It should be obvious to most moderately intelligent people that this is a no win situation, unless they’re prepared to genocide an entire country. And if they go down that route, they’ll become a pariah nation.

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org on 18 Mar 07:09 collapse

I am glad we took some lessons from 01.

Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 00:25 next collapse

American people could think of it anther way. By not getting involved, other countries are attempting to keep this as a bad idea by Trump and not full on WWIII which would probably be the result if NATO got involved now. What you really need is some adults in the room in the WH who convince Trump that it is his brilliant genius idea to just walk away.

matlag@sh.itjust.works on 18 Mar 03:16 collapse

Yeah but you also assume reason on the other side. That’s not granted. The joke now would be for the US to just walk away and Iran to re-open the strait EXCEPT for ships with a US interest (and probably Israel’s). “Retribution for the damages.”

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Mar 00:34 next collapse

yeah this really definitely absolutely is not what NATO is for

Aequitas@feddit.org on 18 Mar 00:37 next collapse

The funny thing is that, with a sensible foreign and alliance policy, many of these countries would probably have actually helped with US Imperialism, like they did in the past. Take Iraq, for example. But if you treat all your allies like shit and as submissive military service, the governments of those countries simply have no choice but to reject, if they don’t want to be voted out. I’m sure, for instance, that my country’s ruling party, the CDU in Germany, was really keen on it.

islandcoda42@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 00:58 next collapse

So much winning

Danarchy@lemmy.nz on 18 Mar 01:15 next collapse

His skin is being thin, like onion, yet moral fiber is limp, like grilled onion

WanderWisley@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 01:48 next collapse

I started this war now you all need to help me end this war! 🫲🍊🫱

catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works on 18 Mar 02:59 next collapse

He doesn’t understand the difference between NATO and The UN. It’s really wild.

kent_eh@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 03:20 next collapse

He’s being"rejected" by a group that he has spent the last year shitting on?

Gee, what a surprise…

the_armchair_potato@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 04:02 next collapse

😅😆🤣😂, fucking loser!!!

kreskin@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 04:31 next collapse

NATO is a defensive alliance, not to be invoked when you get bribed by the zionists to start a war you cant finish. Our NATO allies owe us nothing in this situation but lawsuits for US/Israeli terrorism and destroying the oil markets.

EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Mar 06:15 next collapse

You say bribed. I say blackmailed.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 09:48 collapse

Most definitely

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 12:15 collapse

Which NATO nation was NATO defending in Yugoslavia in 1999?

Bazell@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 05:25 next collapse

Madlad whines that other people don’t want to engage in his bullshit. What a surprise…

k0e3@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 05:28 next collapse

Aw, poor baby.

jaennaet@sopuli.xyz on 18 Mar 05:46 next collapse

But I thought that the “greatest military in the world” wouldn’t need help for a war that has “already been won”?

andallthat@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 07:44 collapse

That’s not it. It’s the lack of enthusiasm that drags Donnie down, the feeling that he has to always be the one to come up with ideas to keep this relationship with NATO alive.

Would it kill them to bomb one little school, leave some civilian corpses as a surprise around the (white) house or do those sweet little coups together in a foreign land, like they used to do?

It’s exhausting, really

Patrikvo@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 06:22 next collapse

I think NATO should send some help. I was thinking of a container loaded with fire extinguishers, sleeping bags and a large stack of “NO SMOKING” stickers. You know, the things they forgot to add to their state-of-the-art carriers?

D_C@sh.itjust.works on 18 Mar 06:34 next collapse

“Mum. MUM. MUMMMMMMMMM!”
“WHAT?”
“Clean me. I’ve did a whoops in my pants.”
“Again? Oh FFS.”

two minutes later

“MUMMMMMMM.”
WHAT?
“Clean me. I’ve done another whoopsy. It stinks.”
“NO, clean up your own mess.”
“OMG, THIS IS SO UNFAIR. I’M GOING TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO TELL THE WORLD HOW YOU WON’T CLEAN UP MY SHIT!”

manxu@piefed.social on 18 Mar 06:40 next collapse

That was one labored sentence! I cannot be the only one that parsed it as: “Trump says he’s been rejected by NATO (while) most allies (are) to join mission …”

Instead, it wants to say: “Trump says he’s been rejected by NATO and most allies (in his desire for them) to join mission …”

Jimbel@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 07:50 next collapse

The comma is for enumeration and not for segregation of two sentences. So it makes sense. They just used a comma instead of an “and”.

angrystego@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 08:12 next collapse

Yep, both is possible, “and” is less ambiguous.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 12:12 collapse

News title grammar has distinctly different rules from normal language. Extreme brevity and using commas in place of any other punctuation are typical of it.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 18 Mar 14:16 collapse

Yeah, this is awful. Headlinese is fun and all, but this is too much.

MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl on 18 Mar 06:44 next collapse

so the NATO that he trashes all the time, and wants the US to abandon, won’t help him in his entirely unnecessary War that he’s thrown his country into, purely in an attempt to divert attention from his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein… How surprising.

purplemonkeymad@programming.dev on 18 Mar 07:49 collapse

I don’t believe that, it’s so he can try to cancel the mid terms by being at war. He might have just done it bit earlier due to that.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 09:48 next collapse

This was always the plan

Bizarrely, it’s about as close as he’s come to recognising their stupid constitution

Jhex@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 10:49 collapse

that’s not a thing in Murican constitution… he can’t just cancel elections, which is why he is trying to stop women from voting

The orange idiot saw that from Ukraine and figured the world runs on the same laws… he is just that stupid

dellish@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 07:16 next collapse

“Guys! GUYS! You really depend on the oil that flows through the Strait so come and help me open it!”

“But your actions closed it in the first place.”

“OMG I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WON’T HELP! :`(”

Fuck me, this is what international politics and diplomacy have become.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 18 Mar 07:40 collapse

Also, most NATO countries don’t really depend that much on that oil. Most of it goes to Asia.

It’s the various US allies in the gulf that are going to be feeling the pinch the most. If oil isn’t getting out, they won’t be getting paid. And they’re getting pelted by Iranian drones to boot.

MrMakabar@slrpnk.net on 18 Mar 08:05 next collapse

Not just that, but Europe is able to pay the oil price, although Russia getting it is a problem. At the same time oil consumption is half of the USAs and falling due to BEVs and heat pumps. It is probably a lot cheaper then to go to war.

bridgeburner@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 08:22 collapse

“don’t really depend that much on that oil”

Then why tf do I have to pay 30cts/liter more for gasoline?

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 18 Mar 09:22 next collapse

All sold at “market rates” no matter the source.

Same reason I pay gas electricity prices, when most of it is made by wind turbines.

This is our life on capitalism…

mcv@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 09:40 collapse

Okay, some people depend on that oil. I don’t, because I ride a bike.

We should all have gotten out of our oil dependency a long time ago, but apparently politicians prefer being dependent on questionable regimes in unstable regions.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works on 18 Mar 16:05 collapse

I don’t, because I ride a bike.

What an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Do the fields where your food grows ride a bike as well? Did your bike ride a bike to the store you bought it at? Did the clothes on your back ride a bike to your wardrobe?

mcv@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 16:32 collapse

It might surprise you, but stuff I already have is unaffected by the recent increase in fuel costs.

gergolippai@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 07:48 next collapse

“hey, you, fuck you! also, I’ll take your shit. also, come help me pls! but also, fuck you.” - tronald dump

hellequin67@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 08:24 next collapse

NATO was created as a defensive measure to present a combined defence in the event of being attacked.

It was NOT created to provide back up to a wannabe Napoleon with tiny dick syndrome because he decides to start a war on his own.

Jhex@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 10:43 next collapse

… to cover his previous child raping activities

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 12:13 collapse

Which NATO nation was attacked in Yugoslavia in 1999?

hellequin67@lemmy.zip on 18 Mar 13:30 collapse

A valid point and frankly still a stain on the organisation that they failed to justify. History aside it does not alter the fact of why it was created and why it should not be aiding the Fanta Fuhrer now.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 09:45 next collapse

Israel are going to be so mad!

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 16:20 collapse

I am able to bear the suffering of Israel with a tremendous amount of dignified fortitude.

melsaskca@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 12:55 next collapse

Trump finally reaping what he sows. Or, to put it more succinctly for my contemporary peers…he found out!

DupaCycki@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 13:25 next collapse

He’s been rejected by everybody he’s ever met. That’s probably why he’s a rapist and a predator.

garbage_world@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 14:24 next collapse

Good, but I suspect that someday somebody else will help him,

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 14:30 next collapse

Aww.

TwilitSky@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 19:34 next collapse

NATO’s job is to protect member states from Russian aggression. Trump has zero concept of history.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 18 Mar 19:48 collapse

Trump’s Pentagon insisted on a go-it-alone approach to Iran at the outset. This wasn’t NATO’s choice it was Hegseth’s choice.

Even fucking Chimp-in-Chief Bush Jr had the decency to assemble the “Coalition of the Willing” in Iraq. Rubio couldn’t be bothered to get the fucking Turks and Saudis on board, and they’ve hated Iran since the Ottoman Empire fell.

Absolutely bonkers to talk about this as some kind of NATO failure to comply when the treaty was never invoked to begin with. Doubly so, when you consider how many NATO bases are still ultimately being used by US forces to get hardware into position.

Smaile@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 19:38 next collapse

wtf is this headline

mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca on 18 Mar 19:56 collapse

maybe it’s my lack of geographical knowledge, but where in the USA is this objective exactly?