Venezuela claims it foiled Trump plot to stage 'false flag' attack on US warship (www.rawstory.com)
from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 21:01
https://lemmy.ca/post/54185614

Source article: the-independent.com/…/venezuela-maduro-cia-false-…

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tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works on 28 Oct 21:37 next collapse

Don’t know if it’s true, but if it is, kinda funny that Trump’s CIA has been outsmarted by Venezuela.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 21:44 next collapse

Yeah it’s a big claim, would be cool to eventually see evidence it was true but I’m not sure how they’d ever be able to prove it. I doubt anyone gets a wire transfer that just says it’s from the CIA

Lembot_0005@lemy.lol on 28 Oct 21:45 next collapse

What exactly is funny? Do you have reasons to believe that the Venezuelan counter-spy bureau is ineffective? Or you’re just a USA chauvinist who thinks that everything Venezuelan is shittier than US-ian just because?

tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works on 28 Oct 21:47 next collapse

The situation, no, and no. Calm down.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 22:02 collapse

Venezuelan agency budget, ~$200 million. CIA - 78 billion. When your budget is 365 times as much, I could understand why you’d think they would be more sophisticated.

tired_n_bored@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 22:55 next collapse

Size, budget, experience and economic stability favors the Americans. Fuck the CIA anyway.

ohulancutash@feddit.uk on 28 Oct 23:00 collapse

Venuzuelan budget: $22bn
CIA budget: $15bn

When a single intelligence agency’s budget is comparable to an entire country’s, it’s reasonable to assume that agency will be able to persevere in almost any contest.

T156@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 01:27 next collapse

They’ve also had decades of experience to back them up. They’re not just a newly spun-up agency who’s been given a multi-billion dollar budget.

Mirshe@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 02:41 collapse

That being said, South America in general has contended with CIA interference for decades. It’s not unreasonable to think they’ve grown wise to their playbook.

m532@lemmy.ml on 29 Oct 09:41 next collapse

One trashcan for cia - 10000$ One trashcan for venezuela - idk maybe 10$?

SippyCup@lemmy.ml on 29 Oct 13:22 collapse

Fun fact, the CIA is known to routinely obfuscate drug money with office expenses.

demonsword@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 17:38 next collapse

Venuzuelan budget: $22bn CIA budget: $15bn

Yeah, but the CIA has to spread that money for operations in the whole world. Venezuelans don’t play the same game.

boonhet@sopuli.xyz on 29 Oct 21:39 collapse

Venezuelans have an entire country to run for that money though. That takes some money.

fishy@lemmy.today on 29 Oct 17:49 collapse

America, fuck ya!.. Oh wait…

SGGeorwell@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 21:59 next collapse

South Americans broadly have been dealing with the CIA for a long time. Even the Romans knew not to fight the same people too many times because they’ll get hip to your fighting style and they’ll eventually beat you at your own game.

CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 22:06 collapse

Hey man, DOGE cut us to the bone, there’s only 3 interns and a middle manager left

Rothe@piefed.social on 29 Oct 10:45 collapse

And all the leading positions in every agency has also long since been replaced by moronic Trump sycophants whose only qualifications are how far they can get their tongues up Trumps sphincter.

Xerxos@lemmy.ml on 28 Oct 21:43 next collapse

I think Trump would love to start a war: distraction from the Epstein files, a nice scapegoat for economic hardship, the possibility to grab even more power under the guise of wartime emergencies, …

Hell, if it takes long enough he could postpone the next election.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 02:01 collapse

Don’t be naive. Trump isn’t running anything.

Trump struggled to name 20 animals in a row, dealer’s choice. Thought the dementia test was an IQ test, bragged that going past 10 animals was hard.

“I took– Those are very hard– They’re really aptitude tests, I guess, in a certain way, but they’re cognitive tests. Let AOC go against Trump.”

He continued, “Let Jasmine go against Trump. I don’t think Jasmine– The first couple questions are easy: a tiger, an elephant, a giraffe, you know. When you get up to about five or six and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn’t come close to answering any of those questions.”

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 29 Oct 12:34 collapse

Would I fail if I just did 25 different species of birds?

Typhoon@lemmy.ca on 29 Oct 12:51 collapse

No but you’d get an autism diagnosis.

theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 21:58 next collapse

Staging a false flag attack on our own troops in order to manufacture consent for a war with the country holding the world’s largest oil reserves?

Soapbox@lemmy.zip on 28 Oct 21:58 next collapse

A false flag attack on our warships is an American tradition. It’s how we start our best wars.

zd9@lemmy.world on 28 Oct 23:56 next collapse

The CIA knows that America doesn’t like it when people touch our boats

PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 09:35 collapse

Did somebody say Boats and Touch?! DONT TOUCH OUR BOATS!!!

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 29 Oct 10:38 collapse

HabitualLinecrosser has entered the chat

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 29 Oct 08:46 collapse

Unless it’s the USS liberty.

FleetwoodLinux@lemmy.zip on 29 Oct 10:36 collapse

Not your down voter, but the liberty wasn’t a false flag, just a full out attack by israel

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 29 Oct 11:51 next collapse

It was a false flag by Israel to get the US to attack Egypt, which the US ignored because it failed and pretended was an accident.

FleetwoodLinux@lemmy.zip on 29 Oct 12:19 collapse

Oh yeah! That does sound familiar

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 29 Oct 15:04 collapse

I think that’s their point. Israel attacked one of our ships and we insisted it was an accident and didn’t do anything about it.

CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works on 29 Oct 15:20 collapse

Not a false flag but a red flag.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 28 Oct 22:00 next collapse

“It is the same imperial script as the Maine ship and the Gulf of Tonkin: fabricating a conflict to impose interests alien to our region,” Pinto wrote in an online post on Telegram, according to Google Translate. “Venezuela is acting firmly and responsibly: a CIA-funded criminal cell linked to this covert operation is being dismantled on our territory."

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Oct 23:49 next collapse

It’s okay and responsible to be skeptical of the Venezuela’s governments claims but given past evidence this is hardly an extraordinary claim and would be hardly surprising.

MrSulu@lemmy.ml on 29 Oct 07:30 next collapse

And hopefully treating the detainees as human beings rather than as third-rate beasts.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 29 Oct 12:55 collapse

False Flag attacks are a military adventurer’s favorite method to start trouble. America has used it multiple times to start wars.

DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Oct 17:58 next collapse

Operation Northwoods.

Americans would have died if it was greenlit as the goal was to go to eat with cuba

x00z@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 18:36 collapse

Interesting thing about false flag attacks is that many of them are not real false flag attacks but are attacks that have been carefully chosen to be allowed by ignoring the intel regarding them.

Israel for example had been notified by many countries of an incoming attack by Hamas with an extremely accurate description of what would happen, but decided to ignore it and not even strengthen their border defenses. It was in Israels best interest as it would give them an easy reason that would make their people allow them to ramp up the genocide.

phx@lemmy.world on 29 Oct 18:59 next collapse

Yeah I honestly found the timing of that suspicious given Bibi’s trials coming up and plummeting popularity at the time.

I could see the same with 9/11. Various people didn’t need to actually be involved with terrorism so much as “let it happen” and plan on how to profit from the response

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 29 Oct 19:01 collapse

Valid.

Before 9/11, the Bush administration had several clear warnings that something serious was in the works, and they totally ignored it. It was even put into his daily briefing that Al Qaeda was planning an attack that involved flying planes into buildings, but it was later speculated that bush probably never even saw it, since he often skipped reading his morning briefings.

If they had stopped to consider it, they would have realized that they had been receiving reports from flight schools of Arab students wanting to learn to steer planes in flight, but not take off or land, and one guy already in custody. Just a little bit of investigation would have exposed the whole thing.

But they wanted a Middle Eastern conflict, so all of it was ignored, with easily predictable results.

A False Flag event? Not by precise definition, but essentially the same thing.