What we know about Trump's plans for ending Russia’s war against Ukraine (kyivindependent.com)
from breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 05:47
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In his speech declaring victory in the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 6, Donald Trump made no mention of Ukraine yet alluded to just how consequential his second term in office will likely be for the country ravaged by Russia’s invasion.

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How does Trump plan to stop Russia’s war against Ukraine?

That’s the million-dollar question that is undoubtedly being discussed in capitals worldwide, not least in Kyiv and Moscow.

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rigatti@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 05:55 next collapse

He plans on ending it by ending Ukraine.

BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee on 07 Nov 2024 10:12 collapse

I don’t even think it’s that deep. Same thing happened in 2016. “I know how to end the war in the middle east, i know more than the secret service.”

And americans shake their fat fists, “yeah, i know more than the secret service too, and i know how to end the middle east conflict. We have so much in common”

fluxion@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 12:32 collapse

It’s definitely at least that deep. Russia didn’t go into overdrive trying to elect him because they think he’s going to be tougher on them than Biden.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 05:55 next collapse

He doesn’t. He’s going to pull back and let Russia do their genocide thing. It’s why he blocked Ukraine aid before this started, too.

Same for Gaza, and probably Taiwan as well.

adarza@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 06:16 next collapse

it wouldn’t end there.

vzq@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 06:19 next collapse

No. But other people’s suffering has never mattered to him.

wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 06:41 collapse

Never mattered to the Democrats either. No matter who has been in power America’s geopolitical ambitions are all that mattered. To Trump, he is the only thing that matters.

vzq@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 06:47 next collapse

That’s very cynical but not entirely wrong.

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 06:50 next collapse

While this is true, with the US, their geopolitical ambitions have sometimes aligned with positive developments (Germany, Japan, the Baltic nations and Poland in relatively more recent times). The same cannot be said for say Russia or China.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 07 Nov 2024 08:20 collapse

The same cannot be said for say Russia or China.

How so? Russia doesn't really have global ambitions anymore, but China is invested in seeing a larger global middle class and a weaker Western neocolonial hold over Africa. This can and has lead to positive developments.

[deleted] on 07 Nov 2024 08:33 collapse
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NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 07 Nov 2024 08:47 collapse

Huh? Okay you'll need to provide some evidence if you're saying it's anything as neocolonial as what France is doing to these countries.

[deleted] on 07 Nov 2024 09:31 collapse
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IcePee@lemmy.beru.co on 07 Nov 2024 09:03 collapse

Trump’s vision is so myopic that he can’t see beyond his own nose. Same for is ability to care. If the US reneges on promises made as detailed in the Budapest Memorandum what chance will they have in other such promises. Countries are watching. This is doubly ironic as Trump keeps talking about nuclear war.

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 06:41 collapse

We will almost certainly see more bad news in context of global democracy and rise authoritarianism/plutocracy. Unfortunately, it seems that the US is entering a permanent oligarch-fueled “bread and circuses” phase (Big Macs and iPhones for the modern equivalent?).

thefartographer@lemm.ee on 07 Nov 2024 08:18 next collapse

“Sure, I knew that voting for Trump meant more and worse genocides including on American soil, but I expected it from him. Seeing a genocide under Kamala Harris’s tenure as not-president made me worry she wouldn’t actually help once she became president. And then I’d be disappointed. Why would I want to possibly be disappointed when I can instead experience horrors that meet expectations?”

- Probably a couple million people who shot their foot with their own cut-off nose as ammunition

Petter1@lemm.ee on 07 Nov 2024 08:30 collapse

😂😅 so true

Valmond@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 08:26 next collapse

Where are all the gEnOcIdErS now?

Oh, they were just shills…

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 11:16 collapse

On the other hand, I could see him throwing a massive fit about Taiwan because “Chi-nah” and starting a war.

JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz on 07 Nov 2024 11:36 collapse

Nah his buddy Leon has interests there, he will flop over and let china do what they want

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 14:44 collapse

I hope Leon tries to take the spotlight from Trump and then Trump destroys him.

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 06:22 next collapse

No real plan, submit to russian demands.

Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 07:48 next collapse

There are concepts of a plan

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 08:01 next collapse

Signing off on russians demands in not a plan.

Empricorn@feddit.nl on 07 Nov 2024 09:42 collapse

Damn, that already feels like a million years ago. You didn’t have to be a news junkie like me to see that quote and know that Trump lost the only debate the coward showed up to. Literally unfit to lead. Yet people just said “don’t care, want boot!” and voted him in anyway. So embarrassed for my stupid country…

scaredoftrumpwinning@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 10:43 collapse

Was about to say ask the Russians what they need and give it to them.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 11:15 next collapse

I’m sure he has a peace plan.

The plan is for Putin to take a big peace of Europe and call it Russian territory.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 13:30 next collapse

He doesn’t have a plan. 🤣

Jesus people, it’s just campaign pillow talk. He has no fucking clue what to do.

lost_faith@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 14:34 next collapse

well, he could cut off the supplies that are being sent to this pointless conflict and send em to Bibi. This solves both problems by removing both Ukraine and Palestine from the world as problems. A master plan that takes no real thought

eta: wow, I hope this hate keeps coming. Personal attacks on someone on your side is great

[deleted] on 07 Nov 2024 14:42 next collapse
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lost_faith@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 14:46 collapse

Wow, civility or what??? I am behind both the Palestinians and the Ukrainians, just pointing out what i think is the OBVIOUS action he is going to take.

I hope you have a very wonderful day

LwL@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 14:53 next collapse

Tbf the sarcasm in ur original comment was very easy to miss because some people really think that way

lost_faith@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 14:58 collapse

You see my name? It does have meaning, and i really don’t care if they see it or not

Enjoy your day, I’m eating popcorn

LwL@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 15:05 collapse

From your reaction you clearly care lmao but sure enjoy ur metaphorical popcorn

ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee on 07 Nov 2024 16:45 next collapse

I don’t think incivility deserves civility in return, but apparently you were being sarcastic? It’s hard to distinguish because people unironically say the same things you did.

lost_faith@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 17:00 collapse

I was being a little sarcastic in my first post, tho I do believe that is what is going to happen and I am not happy but have no power over your government. I was being civil in response as I didn’t want to get into a “slap fight” and banned, you know that pesky rider under rule 5. I have so lost faith in the human race

kent_eh@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 17:17 collapse

I was being a little sarcastic in my first post,

Your mistake was not using the /s to indicate that.

Poe’s law is a thing.

kent_eh@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 17:17 collapse

Remember Poe’s law.

kent_eh@lemmy.ca on 07 Nov 2024 17:16 collapse

I really hope that was intended as sarcasm and that you simply omitted the /s

InverseParallax@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 22:39 collapse

I mean it was sarcasm, but it also wasn’t untrue.

papertowels@lemmy.one on 07 Nov 2024 15:03 collapse

He has the concepts of a plan

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 17:02 collapse

We’ve been through this before too! Does nobody remember??? His entire shtick is that he thinks he can walk into the room and just use his “dad voice” to get everyone to do what he wants. And if it doesn’t work it’s because of “woke”.

That’s it. That’s the entirety of his “plan”.

InverseParallax@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 22:38 collapse

www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/…/index.html

He doesn’t use a dad voice, he just whines like a bitch.

LordWiggle@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 09:29 collapse

Putin also thought he could do it in 24h.