US discussing options to acquire Greenland, including use of military - White House
(www.bbc.co.uk)
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from i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk to world@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 21:27
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In a statement, the White House told the BBC that Trump had made clear that acquiring Greenland was a “national security priority”.
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Why does he even want it?
Trump doesn’t, but the people who whisper in his ear do
OK, why do they want it?
Ultimately its in these neanderthal brains that since global warming is happening and these morons are too poor to move to New Zealand or have their own megayacht then building a bunker in Greenland is their next best option. I think they got the subliminal idea from a movie that was about their shrinking dicks.
I recall reading something about an old technocracy thing that Elon dad loved, and as I recall Elon fell in love with the idea
To dismantle NATO and generally weaken the west.
It is also a theoretically strategic important location for a future northern route between Europe, Asia, and North America if/when the polar icecaps melt.
It gives a direct route from the USA through the Arctic to the entire coastline of Northern Europe and Russia, and it places the USA on every side of Canada, surrounding it. So it makes it easier for the USA’s military to reach Europe, Russia and Asia, and easier to seize Canada by force, should Trump decide to follow through on his threats.
Sadly I think we’re gonna see NATO fall apart when article 5 is triggered. Even if another NATO ally attacks a NATO ally, that wouldn’t dissolve it. What will is when the attacked nation enacts the article and no one is willing to help. Especially if the aggressor is the US.
Control of the Arctic circle. We expect shipping lanes to open up and new access natural resources. Thanks to climate change.
These motherfuckers think it will still be business as usual with mining, farming, shipping when climate change has melted the North Pole.
The powers that be are eyeing up territory that may become valuable in a warmer planet. I think they have a pretty good idea what’s in store.
More war ahead.
I asked this question a couple weeks ago. Seems like the real answer is rare earth elements.
This is a good video on the topic - 2 years old so not just based on this week’s hubbub.
youtu.be/sxRdKRORYoA
Not rellevant. There is no good reason for wanting to take over another country
*relllevant
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What?! Of course there are reasons, loads of them. We’re not talking about morality here.
Strategic positioning and resources that weren’t available prior to the effects of climate change.
Trump doesnt actually care about any of that since that is only going to matter long after he’s gone. He’s old and unhealthy and feeling his mortality. If he actually manages to increase US territory then he will have an actual tangible legacy, that’s why he wants it.
Instigating external conflicts to distract from domestic issues is a long-standing tradition of shitty leaders throughout history, and that is the other dimension to this.
This is absolutely true but not mutually exclusive to the interests of the powers behind trump.
Are you under the impression Trump is still in charge?
Putin told him to do it.
A few reasonAs the polar ice caps melt even more and war likely ramps up, having a very large base of operations in the North Atlantic has a lot of strategic value. That makes the generals like it.
The oligarchs like it because, as global warming intensifies, Greenland will likely be prime real estate. It is similar to why they want to annex Canada.
And putin wants it because it will likely kill NATO and the EU. Because Greenland is… weird. It is technically part of Denmark but also isn’t. It is an ally of the EU but it isn’t actually IN the EU. So it will be very easy for the EU to basically say “We don’t want a war. Whatever. Take one for the team Denmark” which will pretty much guarantee its death because no nation will trust any other nation to “have their back” in the event of a war.
It also means the USA militarily surrounds Canada on every side, which is significant given Trump’s frequently expressed desire to annex Canada.
I’m… “optimistic” is not at all the right word considering how depressing all of this is.
But I’m Something that the US has no intentions of using military force against Canada (so just economic and political…). trump can demand whatever he wants but even the lowly colonels will soil themselves at the thought and find ways to refuse.
Because starting a war in The Middle East or Venezuela or even Europe is one thing. Pretty much nothing can actually hurt the continental US without fighting through a fleet of aircraft carriers and all our airbases.
Whereas Canada and Mexico share pretty massive borders with us. If they want to retaliate, they will.
Of course… its trump so he might very well just tell people on twitter to go throw pipe bombs across the border to get the war he wants.
Fighting Canada would go about as well as Russia into Ukraine, with less fighters and an ineffective Navy.
Oh. It would go about 4.45x worse (ignoring Alaska). And russia can’t even properly protect their border and prevent Ukrainian strike teams from crossing it.
Greed and power mostly.
It serves as a base to block European assistance for the American invasion of us in Canada, along with Mexico and any other country Americans decide they want
Warmongering cespit of a country
Whatever this bullshit timeline is, I want off it.
It won’t come to a military conflict. Trump will place massive tariffs on the EU^1^, possibly sanction EU’s business oligarchs and freeze their assets in the US, and Denmark will quickly cave and hand Greenland over as America’s cherished new 51st state. Maybe the US pays a token sum for Greenland, like 10 or 20 billion, so that the EU can save face and try to return back to business as normal. But Greenland is basically sealed. Maybe if your leaders weren’t cowards it would be different, but you play with the cards you’ve been dealt.
1: A violation of Von der Lyen’s earlier agreement on tariffs, but who even cares
wtf are you even talking about?
I’m laying out the most likely way Greenland will be annexed, obviously. Bookmark my comment and check back in a year if you think I’m wrong.
that is peanuts considering the amount of rare earth reserves the place has buried there
And the crappy part is, was can’t protest by burning the white house because trump’s already trashed it
Eh we still can, for giggles and shits if nothing else.
Gotta completely desecrate it so it doesn’t come back as a zombie. Canada, the e-vites are in your inboxes since you know how to throw a proper bbq.
I mean… there is a shitty golf course he loves a lot more than anything outside of his daughter’s snatch.
We STRONGLY Don’t 100% like this!
-The EU!
WE.DONT.WANT.GREENLAND. wtf is going on here?? How are we turning into the bad guys here??? WHO ASKED FOR THIS??
1/3 of the population who voted red and 1/3 of the population who didn’t vote because “voting doesn’t matter”
Do you seriously think fascism is a result of voter apathy? Voter apathy is a result of fascism.
The path we’re on now was paved by James Monroe. This is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment. I encourage you to try to understand these stories under a context that goes further back than 2 years.
Yeah. I don’t give a shit.
trump was a known evil. This wasn’t 2016 with “ha ha ha, maybe the reality tv star will be fun”. He led a fucking violent insurrection and was campaigning on hate.
I don’t fucking care how sad folk were that they didn’t get the candidate they wanted. By not voting they effectively voted for trump and the entire fucking world is suffering for it.
Own up to it.
So why did democrats do jack shit to prepare? Why did Biden do absolutely nothing for 4 years to protect against a fascist descent that was rocketing towards us at mach 10? Why did democrats decide that perpetrating a genocide in Palestine meant more than winning a monumental election?
Why do democrats need to earn your fucking vote against a rapist who led a violent insurrection against the us government? Because clearly trump already did. I mean, sure, he TOTALLY had a much better platform for how to minimize the harm to the Palestinian people. He’ll give them jobs in his hotel!
Really showing your ass there. What next. Is it Hilary Clinton’s fault you didn’t vote? Could she have done better to make you care about a rapist warmonger?
Because thats… how representative democracy works?
You are taking the position right now that America’s descent into fascism can be attributed to Muslim and Arab Americans in Dearborn who decided not to vote for Kamala after she promised to kill their brothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with an extraordinarily “lethal military”. These people are the true fascists, according to you.
Once again, I encourage you to try to understand history in a context that goes back more than two years.
What we are seeing now is not a new brand of Trumpist imperialism; instead, we are seeing textbook American Imperialism. It’s as American as apple pie.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/73f74343-1c8d-4def-83fb-d83d554a1f4a.jpeg">
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–American_War
I get it. The liberal perspective is not easily palatable right now. In the east, youre getting your lunch eaten by communists who are quickly rising to become the world leader. In the west, fascist elements are eating your lunch as they gain massive ground from Austria to Germany to Britain. And so you flail. You flail to try to understand how this is happening. The liberal philosophy purports that the wheels of history and progress are always moving forward, so what gives? How are we going backwards? Could it be that two hundred years of withered social safety nets, deteriorating education, evasive retirement, withheld wages, weak representation, crumbling infrastructure and transportation, and rampant voter disenfranchisement? No… it is the western communists and Russian bots that are to blame. America has always been wholesome big chungus, and Trump is simply a minor glitch that we will soon find ourselves free from once he dies, and everything can go back to normal.
Get real, friend. The communists and leftists are your only way out of this one. The same folks, who, by the way, have been warning for nearly 200 years that the American political experiment was doomed to descend into fascism.
As opposed to trump who outright called Biden a “Palestinian” as an insult and accused other ethnic groups of “eating cats”?
But hey, sure. They hated Kamala because she was associated with Biden who “good Palestinian” aside, has always been a racist asshole across his entire political career.
Can you, or anyone else, say that they honestly expected trump to be better for the Palestinian people than Kamala and Biden (who wasn’t even running…)? Again, he outright called Biden a “Palestinian” as an insult.
So, at the VERY best, you are looking at two candidates who are equally horrible for one group. And then you look at anything else and realize trump is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse for basically everyone else on top of that.
So… yeah. I do fucking blame the Arab Americans and anyone else who decided to sit out the election (and effectively give trump their votes). Because, at the very best, they were doing the same knee jerk “someone else” voting that got trump elected in 2016.
And, in the process, they actively harmed the people they claim to care about. Let alone everyone else.
And I’ll ignore the rest that mostly makes it clear you don’t give a fuck about Palestine and are just puppeting tankie talking points where “accelerationism is good because Reasons”
Pretty fucked up and callous thing to say. I give it a year before you’re calling ICE on “tankies”.
I think there are a lot more liberals who have leftist ideology who don’t know it. I’m finding that out more and more each day.
Yes.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Yes.
.ml
Ah, nevermind. Keep dreaming of glorious revolution. Any day now.
236M of America’s 343M residents were eligible to vote. So we’re talking about 70% of the population, baseline.
Of the eligible pool, only 174M were legally registered, because our voter registration system is archaic and deliberately exclusionary. We also nixed mail in voting after 2020, driving down participation for rural and minority communities enormously (because our voting infrastructure is dogshit). This depressed actual turnout to 153M.
Of that 153M, it broke out 77M Trump and 75M Kamala. But get under the hood and recognize only five states actually mattered by vote margin - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, and Georgia. Every absent voter in California turning out for Harris couldn’t help her. Record turnout in Texas helped Trump more than Biden in 2020.
Of the five swing states, four (excluding Georgia) produced statewide wins for Democrats. These were winnable elections for Team D. They came within a razor thin margin - less than 2% of total votes each - at both Presidential and state levels.
And yet Harris was so fucking unpopular that people refused to vote for her in states other Democrats won.
Let that sink in.
Either that or there was election fraud in the Presidential race that was absent in the down-ballot races.
I’m not saying I think that’s what happened, but I do think there were enough statistical anomalies to warrant an investigation.
Is that really surprising, considering that she said herself that she wouldn’t deviate from anything Biden did before?
Biden got an extra 6M votes.
Of course, Biden had to slog through a primary with stiff opposition from a socialist challenger. Meanwhile, Harris was handed the nomination absent any democratic input.
So, who can say?
Some other things to consider are misogyny and racism. I mean, at least in the US she is considered “black”.
States that happily vote for Joni Ernest and Sarah Huckabee Sanders don’t get to write themselves off as misogynist.
Conservatives that nominated Hershall Walker and Tim Scott and Wesley Hunt don’t get to hide behind the race card.
If Harris were a Republican, she’d be doing fine.
The US?? The US has been like this for a long long time but you guys have just dropped the charade and started attacking countries closer to home. Trump’s just too much of an idiot to come up with a half-believable sounding casus belli
The US citizens when they elected Trump, again. Apparently voting matters.
The Trump regime’s sponsors, Israel, and Russia.
Probably
This is being done for two reasons