FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 2024 22:21
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And the sad thing is they’re right.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
on 10 Nov 2024 14:36
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No they aren’t, and with that attitude we will continue to repeat this mistake over and over and over.
The people want change. A lot of change.
You can work 40 hours a week and barely scrape by paycheck to paycheck, and it’s been like that for years.
Housing is even more unaffordable.
Nothing has changed for years.
People are angry.
Donald Trump taps into that. That is his whole message. That he is an outsider, he is not the status quo, he is the one who shakes things up. He does not listen to PR people. He says what’s on his mind. He is the closest thing to a Bulworth candidate we’ve had in quite some time.
I personally think he is a liar and a criminal, but not everybody shares that view.
What does Kamala have going for her? She is the vice president, next in line of a succession. There is no radical reform there. It is status quo.
And let’s not forget that before Biden dropped out and Kamala was crowned successor, she was pulling very low even among Democrats.
The problem is not that America refuses to hand the country over to a woman. The problem is that the DNC keeps putting forward the wrong people as candidates, and expects the whole nation to vote for them simply because they’re not Republican.
It doesn’t work that way.
My point is though, as long as you blame sexism or racism or whatever for Trump’s win, you hide the real problem and thus prevent it from being fixed.
It NEEDS to be fixed.
For the good of the country, we (Dems) cannot expect people to just vote for us because we’re not Republican. We need to offer them something better. Obama did that. That’s why he won. Hope, change, yes we can. That was something better. And so he defeated a real non-crazy Republican.
Whoever is the next Democratic candidate, they need to do that. Offer a real message and a real plan. Not just ‘I’m not red’.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 15:21
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trump is the status quo though. he stands outside nothing except decency, morality, and tolerance. if he can make someone bow to him through fear and intimidation, thats what he does. if he cant do that he insults and denigrates and lies about. he is the most status quo fucker in the country
FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 16:05
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The difficulty is convincing 14m Americans of this.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 16:12
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yep. and that is why the shitshow will continue until it can no longer be stopped
FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 16:18
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There are certainly mechanisms that can change this.
Step one is admitting liberalism has become a caustic ideology to the majority of Americans.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 16:27
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all political pigeonholes are guilty. not a single one operates wholly for the public good.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
on 11 Nov 2024 17:00
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Just like conservatism, the problem is what parts of it you push.
Focus on divisive issues like gun control, open immigration, and hyper inclusion of any possibly marginalized group and you push people away.
Avoid the wedge issues, and focus on things that will make everybody’s lives better, like honest government, social safety net, and good health care, and you bring everybody together.
If you look at the entire range of issues, including the ones politicians don’t often talk about, you might find that Americans generally agree on more than they disagree on.
But rather than focusing on those shared agreements and trying to build a better country, both parties are focusing on wedge issues where there is strong disagreement.
FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 21:47
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The issue here being wealth inequality. A problem where the conservatives and liberals have the same solution.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
on 12 Nov 2024 13:23
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So far that solution seems to be to ignore it as a problem and continue the policies that created it.
Dems are a little better on unions, but neither one is addressing the systemic problem.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
on 11 Nov 2024 16:57
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And you are doing the same thing that the other Democrats are doing, focusing on the steak rather than the sizzle.
If you look at the things Trump has actually done in his life, most of it is just looking out for #1. And after his first 4 years, I don’t think we need another 4. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I was not impressed by his presidency.
But that’s looking at steak. He may not have much steak, but he has an awful lot of sizzle in excess.
You have a country that is (to continue the analogy) starving and malnourished. One candidate shows you a ton of sizzle and steam and flame and makes your mouth water. The other one just keep saying that eating red meat is bad for you.
That’s why Trump won. You need to understand that for a lot of people, voting involves emotion and desperation. You see the factories you work at closing, hearing about a giant tariff on Chinese goods sounds fucking awesome. You work lower end jobs and see companies switching from full-time American workers with salary and benefits to part-time immigrant workers making minimum wage, closing the border sounds like a great idea. And that’s not because of racism, it’s because you don’t want to be competing for jobs with people who will accept minimum wage and live 10 to a flat so they can all send money back home.
There is of course little or no steak behind the sizzle, Trump’s first term showed that.
But to an emotional voter who is desperate…
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 17:22
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sizzle doesnt keep you alive. but hey you die pretty huh
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
on 12 Nov 2024 13:25
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Once again, you’re looking at steak.
Obviously sizzle doesn’t keep you alive. But someone desperate for meat is going to follow the smoke and fire and sizzle in the hope that there is steak at the bottom of it.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Nov 2024 16:46
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No. People wanted Michelle Obama but nobody was given a choice.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 10 Nov 2024 16:47
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You have to want to run for president. I don’t think she did.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Nov 2024 16:48
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Who knows? What is she suppose to say? There was never a primary. They just pushed a genocide co-pilot on us when it could have been an easy W. That’s their priorities.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 10 Nov 2024 16:54
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I mean she literally said she didn’t want to. And that was long before Harris was the nominee.
Now you can claim she’s been lying since 2012, but I don’t think that’s desirable in a candidate, do you?
PugJesus@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 2024 22:27
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Like ads saying Harris was too hard on Israel and too soft on Israel coming from the exact same org. Anyone with a lick of sense knows they’re disingenuous, but most people are fucking stupid.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com
on 10 Nov 2024 01:42
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Enemy must be strong and weak.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Nov 2024 16:44
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Or like kamalacaust saying she’s hard on zionism and also supports zionism.
Back when Russia invaded Ukraine, they issued a statement about how they’re saddened that Europe has descended into violence and are calling for the region to give peace a chance. It was a solid troll.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 10 Nov 2024 12:29
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The Taliban putting their best and brightest in charge of their Department of Trolling.
I don’t necessarily disagree. But I don’t exactly consider Latintimes as mainstream news. They have a decided lean to the left and are publishing a story that points to something they want to say. No different than when a conservative right leaning website with a name like “Patriot Page”, or “Freedom Force” or some other creepy MAGA bullshit name does the same thing.
There are main stream outlets, and then there are outlets that we can all tell, mostly from their content, don’t bother to hide their bent left or right.
This isn’t like CNN or CBS or BBC are broadcasting it. (Cue somebody linking to exactly that…making me look like an idiot.) Heck, AFAIK, even Fox News and MSNBC, the two “main stream media” sources that I would consider least biased in both directions, aren’t touching it as a story.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 15:17
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I read it as a troll statement. Americans moralize to the world about treating women equally, but Americans also don’t want a woman in a position of power, so I read it as the Taliban mocking the u.s for being just like them while being hypocrites
slaacaa@lemmy.world
on 10 Nov 2024 09:11
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Y’all Queda
Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Nov 2024 14:18
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These are the people that just made it illegal for women to talk to each other, right?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Nov 2024 16:42
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idiots who obsess over the Koran and do not understand the least bit that virtue can only come from your own choices, not from coercion, that would be easy for god to do. This is why religion is bullshit. A devout evangelical couldn’t spot the antichrist right in front of them.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
on 11 Nov 2024 15:15
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Yes that’s what they’re trolling about. That Americans memorialize but are also anti women
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 10 Nov 2024 14:27
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they wouldve been even more derisively vitriolic if she had won
2ugly2live@lemmy.world
on 10 Nov 2024 14:43
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Damn, even the Taliban is clowning on us with this one.
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 11 Nov 2024 20:13
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Should have run Tulsi Gabbard.
I’m sure the response would have been identical though, given this is about sex and not Kamala Harris’s appeal as a candidate.
It looks bleak and we will follow America’s lead. I don’t think we can point fingers at anyone from over here. Just listen to the people speak around you.
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 11 Nov 2024 20:11
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So “men hate women” huh? Is this something she believes of all men? I wonder what her response to an entire sex hating another entire sex is. I wonder if that belief of her colors all her interpretations of all men.
If Tulsi Gabbard had been allowed to run, I’d have 100% voted for her. Kamala Harris is not the type of woman I want for president. If she were to be the first woman president, we’d never have a woman president again, because everyone would be so put off by her
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And the sad thing is they’re right.
No they aren’t, and with that attitude we will continue to repeat this mistake over and over and over.
The people want change. A lot of change. You can work 40 hours a week and barely scrape by paycheck to paycheck, and it’s been like that for years. Housing is even more unaffordable.
Nothing has changed for years.
People are angry.
Donald Trump taps into that. That is his whole message. That he is an outsider, he is not the status quo, he is the one who shakes things up. He does not listen to PR people. He says what’s on his mind. He is the closest thing to a Bulworth candidate we’ve had in quite some time.
I personally think he is a liar and a criminal, but not everybody shares that view.
What does Kamala have going for her? She is the vice president, next in line of a succession. There is no radical reform there. It is status quo. And let’s not forget that before Biden dropped out and Kamala was crowned successor, she was pulling very low even among Democrats.
The problem is not that America refuses to hand the country over to a woman. The problem is that the DNC keeps putting forward the wrong people as candidates, and expects the whole nation to vote for them simply because they’re not Republican. It doesn’t work that way.
My point is though, as long as you blame sexism or racism or whatever for Trump’s win, you hide the real problem and thus prevent it from being fixed.
It NEEDS to be fixed.
For the good of the country, we (Dems) cannot expect people to just vote for us because we’re not Republican. We need to offer them something better. Obama did that. That’s why he won. Hope, change, yes we can. That was something better. And so he defeated a real non-crazy Republican.
Whoever is the next Democratic candidate, they need to do that. Offer a real message and a real plan. Not just ‘I’m not red’.
trump is the status quo though. he stands outside nothing except decency, morality, and tolerance. if he can make someone bow to him through fear and intimidation, thats what he does. if he cant do that he insults and denigrates and lies about. he is the most status quo fucker in the country
The difficulty is convincing 14m Americans of this.
yep. and that is why the shitshow will continue until it can no longer be stopped
There are certainly mechanisms that can change this. Step one is admitting liberalism has become a caustic ideology to the majority of Americans.
all political pigeonholes are guilty. not a single one operates wholly for the public good.
Just like conservatism, the problem is what parts of it you push.
Focus on divisive issues like gun control, open immigration, and hyper inclusion of any possibly marginalized group and you push people away.
Avoid the wedge issues, and focus on things that will make everybody’s lives better, like honest government, social safety net, and good health care, and you bring everybody together.
If you look at the entire range of issues, including the ones politicians don’t often talk about, you might find that Americans generally agree on more than they disagree on. But rather than focusing on those shared agreements and trying to build a better country, both parties are focusing on wedge issues where there is strong disagreement.
The issue here being wealth inequality. A problem where the conservatives and liberals have the same solution.
So far that solution seems to be to ignore it as a problem and continue the policies that created it. Dems are a little better on unions, but neither one is addressing the systemic problem.
And you are doing the same thing that the other Democrats are doing, focusing on the steak rather than the sizzle. If you look at the things Trump has actually done in his life, most of it is just looking out for #1. And after his first 4 years, I don’t think we need another 4. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I was not impressed by his presidency.
But that’s looking at steak. He may not have much steak, but he has an awful lot of sizzle in excess.
You have a country that is (to continue the analogy) starving and malnourished. One candidate shows you a ton of sizzle and steam and flame and makes your mouth water. The other one just keep saying that eating red meat is bad for you.
That’s why Trump won. You need to understand that for a lot of people, voting involves emotion and desperation. You see the factories you work at closing, hearing about a giant tariff on Chinese goods sounds fucking awesome. You work lower end jobs and see companies switching from full-time American workers with salary and benefits to part-time immigrant workers making minimum wage, closing the border sounds like a great idea. And that’s not because of racism, it’s because you don’t want to be competing for jobs with people who will accept minimum wage and live 10 to a flat so they can all send money back home. There is of course little or no steak behind the sizzle, Trump’s first term showed that. But to an emotional voter who is desperate…
sizzle doesnt keep you alive. but hey you die pretty huh
Once again, you’re looking at steak. Obviously sizzle doesn’t keep you alive. But someone desperate for meat is going to follow the smoke and fire and sizzle in the hope that there is steak at the bottom of it.
No. People wanted Michelle Obama but nobody was given a choice.
You have to want to run for president. I don’t think she did.
Who knows? What is she suppose to say? There was never a primary. They just pushed a genocide co-pilot on us when it could have been an easy W. That’s their priorities.
I mean she literally said she didn’t want to. And that was long before Harris was the nominee.
nbcnews.com/…/michelle-obama-former-first-lady-no…
In fact, she’s been saying it repeatedly since 2012.
businessinsider.com/what-michelle-obama-has-said-… (You can put 12ft.io in front of the https to get around the paywall.)
Now you can claim she’s been lying since 2012, but I don’t think that’s desirable in a candidate, do you?
Like ads saying Harris was too hard on Israel and too soft on Israel coming from the exact same org. Anyone with a lick of sense knows they’re disingenuous, but most people are fucking stupid.
Enemy must be strong and weak.
Or like kamalacaust saying she’s hard on zionism and also supports zionism.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/…/114873765.cms
I’d like to thank the Taliban for their valuable feedback. Next, I’ll ask David Duke for his thoughts on race relations.
Dick Cheney, aghast that Americans could allow someone as Islamophobic as Trump to represent them.
… And neither are they.
I think that’s the point they are making… US should be better than the Taliban.
!nottheonion@lemmy.world
Not really the guy to be throwing his thoughts in on the issue.
Honestly probably intentional.
Which to be fair, is pretty fucking funny. I’m mad at how tickled I am by the taliban digging at trump.
Back when Russia invaded Ukraine, they issued a statement about how they’re saddened that Europe has descended into violence and are calling for the region to give peace a chance. It was a solid troll.
The Taliban putting their best and brightest in charge of their Department of Trolling.
“You’re just like us!”
That’s the joke.
Ah the old bad guy cliché. You know they feel threatened when they bust out the “We’re the same, you and I!” Lol
I’m deeply confused as to why they have any statement…
And why they think the US is sexist
And why they seem to selectively think sexism is bad while denying women education
And why this is news or worthy of print.
And for gods sakes won’t someone tell me what Ja rule thinks of this???
Where is Ja Rule when you need him?
Damnit, I knew I was fucking up the bit
They're trolling the US because why not.
But why publish it? Who cares?
Yeah that's fair.
Clicks?
who? you have opened the comment section
That’s not what they’re saying. They’re mocking American hypocrisy.
Fair. Still isn’t remotely news worthy.
I don’t necessarily disagree. But I don’t exactly consider Latintimes as mainstream news. They have a decided lean to the left and are publishing a story that points to something they want to say. No different than when a conservative right leaning website with a name like “Patriot Page”, or “Freedom Force” or some other creepy MAGA bullshit name does the same thing.
There are main stream outlets, and then there are outlets that we can all tell, mostly from their content, don’t bother to hide their bent left or right.
This isn’t like CNN or CBS or BBC are broadcasting it. (Cue somebody linking to exactly that…making me look like an idiot.) Heck, AFAIK, even Fox News and MSNBC, the two “main stream media” sources that I would consider least biased in both directions, aren’t touching it as a story.
I read it as a troll statement. Americans moralize to the world about treating women equally, but Americans also don’t want a woman in a position of power, so I read it as the Taliban mocking the u.s for being just like them while being hypocrites
Y’all Queda
These are the people that just made it illegal for women to talk to each other, right?
Wrong.
www.rferl.org/a/…/33195945.html
“Virtue and Vice police” lol
idiots who obsess over the Koran and do not understand the least bit that virtue can only come from your own choices, not from coercion, that would be easy for god to do. This is why religion is bullshit. A devout evangelical couldn’t spot the antichrist right in front of them.
Yes that’s what they’re trolling about. That Americans memorialize but are also anti women
they wouldve been even more derisively vitriolic if she had won
Damn, even the Taliban is clowning on us with this one.
Should have run Tulsi Gabbard.
I’m sure the response would have been identical though, given this is about sex and not Kamala Harris’s appeal as a candidate.
Based
The Taliban would have never allowed a woman on the ballot at all so yeah don’t need their opinion on this.
That’s their point, that Americans aren’t much different than them, neither wants a woman in a position of power
Basically the same thing. Might as well move to Afghanistan.
It would be very dumb to move from a place where project 2025 is about to happen to a place where project 2025 has been happening for awhile.
At least the US system allows women to run for office, and indeed plenty are in lower offices.
Yeah when they need yo elect the unelectable fascist, because then he’s 100% gonna win
It’s not only the taliban, they’re despicable, but the US would never elect a woman, at least that’s what the rest of the world thinks
Yep, my female workmate told me on the morning of election that she believes trump will win because men hate woman.
And she was right. Not me but you all. We were all rooting for Kamala this side of the Atlantic
Sorry didn’t really mean that, but hope you understand the sentiment
I’m from Germany and she is too.
It looks bleak and we will follow America’s lead. I don’t think we can point fingers at anyone from over here. Just listen to the people speak around you.
So “men hate women” huh? Is this something she believes of all men? I wonder what her response to an entire sex hating another entire sex is. I wonder if that belief of her colors all her interpretations of all men.
Obviously not, since she is a friend of mine and felt comfortable enough to tell me.
She didn’t say all men so stop your bullshit victim complex from rotting away your mind
I’m so fed up with assholes like you.
~44% of women voted for Trump. Around 55% of men. So women hate themselves almost as much apparently.
Maybe it’s what the rest of the world thinks because it’s true?
That’s the point. They’re ridiculing the hypocrisy, not the sexism.
They’re vile
Some americans are alright
Achievement unlocked: Mocked by Taliban
Treat women so poorly, that even talibs mock you.
Sort of? I think this was more of a “see, Americans agree, women are shit”.
Sucks that America is so shitty now that I can go “Hah! Yeah” to something the cunty-ass taliban said. Should not be possible.
Hey Taliban, have you tried Fumunda cheese? It’s pretty flavorful.
If Tulsi Gabbard had been allowed to run, I’d have 100% voted for her. Kamala Harris is not the type of woman I want for president. If she were to be the first woman president, we’d never have a woman president again, because everyone would be so put off by her